Player Rankings according to PFF after 6 weeks

[CJD]

I don't own a subscription to PFF (I have more than enough subscriptions already!) but they do offer overall PFF grades and rankings within a position group as of week 6 for free, so I thought I'd just share those because I found them interesting.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/teams/cincinnati-bengals/7/roster

On Offense:

Joe Burrow: 86.4
6th out of 33 eligible QBs

Tee Higgins: 67.8
51st out of 104 eligible WRs

Tyler Boyd: 72.5
37th out of 104 eligible WRs

Ja'Marr Chase: 78.4
12th out of 104 eligible WRs

Drew Sample: 47.9
60th out of 70 eligible TEs

CJ Uzomah: 62.1
34th out of 70 eligible TEs

Joe Mixon: 80.3
5th out of 64 eligible HBs

Samaje Perine: 63.2
47th out of 64 eligible HBs

Trey Hopkins: 45.2
32nd out of 34 eligible centers

Quinton Spain: 75.1
11th out of 73 eligible guards

Jackson Carman: 40.5
71st out of 73 eligible guards

Riley Reiff: 62.0
47th out of 76 eligible tackles

Jonah Williams: 72.8
17th out of 76 eligible tackles

On Defense:

Eli Apple: 48.1
102nd out of 116 eligible CBs

Mike Hilton: 59.6
66th out of 116 eligible CBs

Chidobe Awuzie: 77.8
5th out of 116 eligible CBs

Vonn Bell: 72.5
11th out of 86 eligible safeties

Jessie Bates: 71.2
14th out of 86 eligible safeties

Akeem Davis-Gaither: 55.3
42nd out of 86 eligible LBs

Logan Wilson: 74.6
9th out of 86 eligible LBs

Germaine Pratt: 64.9
22nd out of 86 eligible LBs

B.J. Hill: 79.2
10th out of 118 eligible IDLs

Larry Ogunjobi: 57.9
69th out of 118 eligible IDLs

Josh Tupou: 67.5
39th out of 118 eligible IDLs

DJ Reader: 85.1
6th out of 118 eligible IDLs

Trey Hendrickson: 67.3
51st out of 104 eligible EDs

Sam Hubbard: 60.6
74th out of 104 eligible EDs

Cam Sample: 53.1
96th out of 104 eligible EDs

There are a few grades and rankings here that I find somewhat questionable, like Hendrickson's relatively low grade but overall these numbers look right to me. We have a top 10 QB, a top 10 RB, a top 15 WR, a top 15 LT (17th among all tackles, so probably top 15 LT), a top 15 guard, 2 top 15 safeties, a top 10 LB, a top 5 CB and two top 10 DTs.

What do you all think?

[GreenCornBengal]

I think Spain and Awuzie are quietly MVPs for this group. Say what you will about ZT but he’s been killing free agency.

[Nicomo Cosca]

There’s a couple guys I think should be higher (Chase, Hendrickson), but overall that’s very encouraging.

I’m sure it’s a night and day difference from last years rankings.

[Whatever]

Hendrickson has hidden things that drop his grade. For example, he had a sack, a QB Hit, and 3 Hurries against the Lions, but had a missed tackle that really killed his Tackle grade and allowed a 24 yard completion in coverage that killed his Coverage grade.

[motoarch]

Williams has really improved over last season.

Overall the OL is a mixed bag but generally improved.

If they can nail a good pickup or 2 for next season on OL this is going to be a contender.

[motoarch]

(10-18-2021, 11:02 AM)Whatever Wrote: Hendrickson has hidden things that drop his grade.  For example, he had a sack, a QB Hit, and 3 Hurries against the Lions, but had a missed tackle that really killed his Tackle grade and allowed a 24 yard completion in coverage that killed his Coverage grade.

And chase had a pass he deflected into an interception that probably dragged his grade down.

[*ochocincos*]

If the Bengals can end up keeping Spain and Reiff for at least one more season, I think the focus on the OL becomes C.
That could be possibly the only OL starting position to worry about if Carman solidifies RG by the end of the season.

The Bengals still have Hopkins through next season, so that can help bridge the gap for any learning curve that a new C would have.
It's also very possible that Hopkins' injury from Week 17 of last year is still affecting his power/mobility, so maybe he gets back to form by the end of the year too.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

ZT FAs:

1) Excellent or better: Reader, Awuzie, Spain, Bell, Hendrickson
2) Pretty Good: Reiff, Ogunjobi, Hilton, Perine
3) OK: Apple, (better lately), Mike Thomas
4) Injured all the time: Waynes, XSF

That is a pretty good hit rate.

Trades:
1) A grade: BJ Hill for Price

Draft:
1) Home Runs: Burrow, Chase, L. Wilson
2) Triples: Ossai (looked like),
3) Doubles: Jonah Williams, C. Evans
4) Singles: Pratt, Higgins, ADG, Carman, McPherson
5) Fielder's Choice: D. Sample, Wren, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Bailey, Smith, C. Sample, Shelvin, Hubert.
6) Whiffs: : Finley, Jordan, L. Davis, R. Anderson, J. Brown

Pretty solid here. And a lot if guys have had injury setbacks/missed rime (Jonah, Wren, Burrow, Ossai, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Smith, Hubert) and it is still early for a all of them.

[Frank Booth]

Spain and Williams are good, Reiff is average, Hopkins and Carmen are trash.

At least the o-line is balanced

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-18-2021, 12:01 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: ZT FAs:

1) Excellent or better: Reader, Awuzie, Spain, Bell, Hendrickson
2) Pretty Good: Reiff, Ogunjobi, Hilton, Perine
3) OK: Apple, (better lately), Mike Thomas
4) Injured all the time: Waynes, XSF

That is a pretty good hit rate.

Trades:
1) A grade: BJ Hill for Price

Draft:
1) Home Runs: Burrow, Chase, L. Wilson
2) Triples: Ossai (looked like),
3) Doubles: Jonah Williams, C. Evans
4) Singles: Pratt, Higgins, ADG, Carman, McPherson
5) Fielder's Choice: D. Sample, Wren, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Bailey, Smith, C. Sample, Shelvin, Hubert.
6) Whiffs: : Finley, Jordan, L. Davis, R. Anderson, J. Brown

Pretty solid here. And a lot if guys have had injury setbacks/missed rime (Jonah, Wren, Burrow, Ossai, T. Williams, Kareem, Adeniji, Smith, Hubert) and it is still early for a all of them.

I’d personally have Jonah higher. Cam Sample, too.

[Joelist]

PFF lacks credibility in the ratings in a lot of areas. If you look at PFF you'd think Hendrickson had a terrible day when in reality he dominated Sewell all day and was in the Lions backfield so much it disrupted the entire offense.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-18-2021, 12:11 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Spain and Williams are good, Reiff is average, Hopkins and Carmen are trash.

At least the o-line is balanced

Harsh.

*Carman hasn’t allowed a single sack so far. He had a rough game vs GB, but he’s also had his good moments in some of the other games. Especially his run blocking.

[MickMack]

I know the focus has rightfully been on Logan Wilson, but the linebackers deserve some major credit. In years past a talented TE like Hockenson would have gotten double or more yards than he got yesterday. Teams owned the middle of the field against us for years. Vast improvement so far this season.

[Frank Booth]

(10-18-2021, 12:24 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Harsh.

*Carman hasn’t allowed a single sack so far. He had a rough game vs GB, but he’s also had his good moments in some of the other games. Especially his run blocking.

I know it’s his first year but he is currently really bad

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-18-2021, 12:29 PM)MickMack Wrote: I know the focus has rightfully been on Logan Wilson, but the linebackers deserve some major credit. In years past a talented TE like Hockenson would have gotten double or more yards than he got yesterday. Teams owned the middle of the field against us for years. Vast improvement so far this season.

Thankfully Detroit has absolutely nobody at WR. All the Bengals had to do was take away Hockenson and Swift, and they did.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(10-18-2021, 12:11 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Spain and Williams are good, Reiff is average, Hopkins and Carmen are trash.

At least the o-line is balanced

The trash guy graded out at 87.2 last week, one of the highest on the team. Despite having food poisoning. A limited number of snaps as a result. But I think it is not hard to see a good player in there. 

After a terrible PFF rating the fist game (28.0), he is now up to 40.5. A couple more good games and he'll be ahead of Hopkins (45.2) and XSF (50.0). 

It also might help your credibility if you could spell his name right. 

I'll do Electric Company for you:

Car.
Man.
Carman.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(10-18-2021, 12:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’d personally have Jonah higher. Cam Sample, too.

Completely fair.

It's pretty early on Sample, and Jonah has missed a lot of time, though.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Updated after 7 weeks. I do not have a subscription, so just raw numbers:

Burrow: 86.4
Mixon: 80.1
Chase: 83.5
Higgins: 71.7
Boyd: 70.4
Uzomah: 66.1
J. Williams: 68.5
Spain: 75.2
Hopkins: 45.3
Carman: 44.4
Reiff: 64.4
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D. Sample: 49.3
XSF: 50.0
Perine: 62.2
Tate: 69.6
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T. Hill 64.4
M. Thomas 63.3
Prince: 90.1
Irwin: 65.5
C. Evans: 80.4
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Hendrickson: 70.5
Reader: 84.5
Ogunjobi: 61.8
Hubbard: 62.7
L. Wilson: 71.3
Pratt: 55.7
Awuzie: 81.5
Apple: 48.7
Hilton: 62.5
Bell: 69.7
Bates: 62.2
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BJ Hill: 76.4
Tupou: 66.9
ADG: 62.3
C. Sample: 53.1
Ray: 62.1
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Waynes: 51.8
B. Wilson: 58.3
Phillips: 65.2
R Allen: 67.8
J. Evans: 57.7

[Big Boss]

Burrow one game closer to Top 5.