Which class do you think'll be better?

[CorpusChristiBengal]

2020 QB vs 2018?
2018:
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Rosen
Rudolph
2020:
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Love
Hurts

[*bfine32*]

(01-29-2022, 08:50 AM)CorpusChristiBengal Wrote: 2020 QB vs 2018?
2018:
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Rosen
Rudolph
2020:
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Love
Hurts

[jfkbengals]

(01-29-2022, 12:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote:

Not if you've watched him play.  If you have, then you know that

[jfkbengals]

(01-29-2022, 08:50 AM)CorpusChristiBengal Wrote: 2020 QB vs 2018?
2018:
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Rosen
Rudolph
2020:
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Love
Hurts

It's 4 to 3, and potentially 2018 could lose Mayfield from the list as well.

2020 was better, hands down.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(01-29-2022, 01:01 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: It's 4 to 3, and potentially 2018 could lose Mayfield from the list as well.

2020 was better, hands down.

What JFK said.

[Hammerstripes]

Considering Allen is the only QB I would take out of his class, the 2020 class will be better. I'd be happy with Burrow and Herbert if I was an owner,

so, 2-1 (2020)

[*ochocincos*]

(01-29-2022, 08:50 AM)CorpusChristiBengal Wrote: 2020 QB vs 2018?
2018:
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Rosen
Rudolph
2020:
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Love
Hurts

2020 draft class has 2 really good QBs (Burrow, Herbert), a solid game-manager QB (Tua), and a solid dual-threat QB (Hurts).

2018 only has 1 really good QB (Allen), a good dual-threat QB (Jackson), and 1 game-manager QB (Mayfield).

Therefore, I'm going 2020.

[XenoMorph]

(01-29-2022, 08:50 AM)CorpusChristiBengal Wrote: 2020 QB vs 2018?
2018:
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Rosen
Rudolph
2020:
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Love
Hurts

has Rosen got a Legit 2nd shot since the cardinals?

[TecmoBengals]

When Burrow wins the Super Bowl, the advantage for the 2020 class increases.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-02-2022, 06:22 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: has Rosen got a Legit 2nd shot since the cardinals?

Depends on what you call legit. 

The Dolphins tried to start him in 2019. Played a bit Week 1 and 2, started Week 3, 4, and 5. He had 53.2% completion, 5.2 YPA, and 1 TD/5 INT. The Dolphins obviously went 0-5. Lol

Got a little work at the end of two blowout losses this year with the Falcons. Went 2-11 (18.2%), 19 yards (1.7 YPA), 0 TD/2 INT.

[XenoMorph]

(02-05-2022, 05:12 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Depends on what you call legit. 

The Dolphins tried to start him in 2019. Played a bit Week 1 and 2, started Week 3, 4, and 5. He had 53.2% completion, 5.2 YPA, and 1 TD/5 INT. The Dolphins obviously went 0-5. Lol

Got a little work at the end of two blowout losses this year with the Falcons. Went 2-11 (18.2%), 19 yards (1.7 YPA), 0 TD/2 INT.

how did he go #1oa?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-07-2022, 01:12 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: how did he go #1oa?

He went 10th overall. He was the 3rd QB taken. 

I have no idea why, though. I guess desperation and bad scouting? Even his college numbers aren't impressive... 60.9% completion, barely a 2:1 TD:INT ratio despite playing in the Pac-12.

Same reason why Daniel Jones went 6th overall in 2019, probably. Some draft just aren't good QB drafts, but teams need QBs regardless, so they vastly overdraft them.

[*ochocincos*]

(02-07-2022, 01:42 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: He went 10th overall. He was the 3rd QB taken. 

I have no idea why, though. I guess desperation and bad scouting? Even his college numbers aren't impressive... 60.9% completion, barely a 2:1 TD:INT ratio despite playing in the Pac-12.

Same reason why Daniel Jones went 6th overall in 2019, probably. Some draft just aren't good QB drafts, but teams need QBs regardless, so they vastly overdraft them.

Which frankly blows my mind if that's the mindset.
There are some stopgap vet QBs who hit FA every year.
Teams need to scout the draft prior to FA and if there's not a QB or two they really like, get a cheaper vet QB to hold you over until you can get that stud.
Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, and Andy Dalton can get your team some wins.

What it probably is though is teams overvalue their ability to develop players.
They see a player who has some good traits but areas of improvement and they think they can fix that player.
Turns out that many teams are not good at doing that, especially at QB.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-10-2022, 12:32 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Which frankly blows my mind if that's the mindset.
There are some stopgap vet QBs who hit FA every year.
Teams need to scout the draft prior to FA and if there's not a QB or two they really like, get a cheaper vet QB to hold you over until you can get that stud.
Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, and Andy Dalton can get your team some wins.

What it probably is though is teams overvalue their ability to develop players.
They see a player who has some good traits but areas of improvement and they think they can fix that player.
Turns out that many teams are not good at doing that, especially at QB.

If I had to guess what it is, in my opinion it's more about job security and hope.

You grab a stopgap vet QB and he sucks? You'll likely be fired.

You grab a 1st round pick QB and he sucks? He was just a rookie, just wait until Year 2 when he has some time to develop. There's hope in the future!

Even if it's false hope, at least that hope will keep GMs and HCs employed. Meanwhile you're selling jerseys and tickets. Fans will buy a Daniel Jones/Sam Darnold rookie jersey. Not a ton of demand for Chad Henne/Matt Moore jerseys.

[BillsGuy1986]

(01-29-2022, 08:50 AM)CorpusChristiBengal Wrote: 2020 QB vs 2018?
2018:
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Rosen
Rudolph
2020:
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Love
Hurts

2020, hands down. Maybe its recency bias, but I don't see Mayfield or Jackson turning things around. The sky is the limit for Burrow and Herbert. 

We'll see if Allen can bounce back from heartbreak with a less talented roster and coaching staff next year.

[casear2727]

Jackson has already won an MVP and Allen is very good, Baker has won a playoff game. But only one is a true solid QB. Joe and Herbert carry 20 to the win.