Recent draft picks. You personal "hit" and "miss"

[fredtoast]

Just a little discussion to fill some time during this dead period.

Here are our draft picks from '11-'19.  I have not included the players from '20 and '21 because it is still too early to fully judge them.

I have also removed the picks from the first two rounds.  Obviously when I ask about "favorite" picks there are going to be a lot of fans who really liked our early picks.  After the 2nd round it is really more "hit-and-miss" in the draft.  Even the best teams end up drafting some duds after the first two rounds.

ROUND 3
2011.. 66  Dontay Moch LB
2012.. 93  Brandon Thompson DT
2012.. 83  Mohamed Sanu WR
2013.. 84  Shawn Williams DB
2014.. 88  Will Clarke DE
2015.. 99  Paul Dawson ILB
2015.. 85  Tyler Kroft TE
2016.. 87  Nick Vigil ILB
2017.. 73  Jordan Willis OLB
2018.. 78  Malik Jefferson OLB
2018.. 77  Sam Hubbard DE
2019.. 72  Germaine Pratt   LB

ROUND 4
2011.. 101  Clint Boling G
2012.. 116  Orson Charles TE
2013.. 118  Sean Porter LB
2014.. 111  Russell Bodine C
2015.. 135  Marcus Hardison DE
2015.. 120  Josh Shaw CB
2016.. 122  Andrew Billings NT
2017.. 138  Ryan Glasgow DT
2017.. 128  Josh Malone WR
2017.. 116  Carl Lawson OLB
2018.. 112  Mark Walton RB
2019.. 136  Michael Jordan G
2019.. 125  Renell Wren DT
2019.. 104  Ryan Finley QB

ROUND 5
2011.. 134  Robert Sands DB
2012.. 167  George Iloka DB
2012.. 166 Marvin Jones WR
2012.. 156  Shaun Prater DB
2013.. 156  Tanner Hawkinson  OT
2014.. 164  A.J. McCarron QB
2015.. 157  C.J. Uzomah TE
2016.. 161 Christian Westerman G
2017.. 176  JJ Dielman  C
2017.. 153  Jake Elliott  K
2018.. 170  Darius Phillips CB
2018.. 158  Andrew Brown DE
2018.. 151  Davontae Harris CB

ROUND 6
2011.. 167  Ryan Whalen WR
2012.. 191  Dan Herron RB
2013.. 197  Cobi Hamilton WR
2013.. 190  Rex Burkhead RB
2014.. 212  Marquis Flowers LB
2015.. 197  Derron Smith S
2016.. 199  Cody Core WR
2017.. 207  Brandon Wilson RB
2017.. 193  Jordan Evans LB
2019.. 211  Rodney Anderson RB
2019.. 210  Deshaun Davis LB
2019.. 182  Trayveon Williams RB

ROUND 7
2011.. 246  Jay Finley QB
2011.. 207  Korey Lindsey DB
2013.. 251  T.J. Johnson C
2013.. 240  Reid Fragel  OL
2014.. 252  Lavelle Westbrooks DB
2014.. 239  James Wright WR
2015.. 238  Mario Alford WR
2016.. 245  Clayton Fejedelem S
2017.. 251  Mason Schreck TE
2018.. 253  Auden Tate WR
2018.. 252  Rod Taylor G
2018.. 249  Logan Woodside QB
2019.. 223  Jordan Brown CB


So tell us about the picks you were excited about that did not work out.

And I know there are not a lot of people who are really "disappointed" with a player we take after the second round, but if there was one who turned out better than you expected tell us about him.

I know a lot of fans are upset with a pick not because of who we did select but because of who we did not pick.  This thread is not about the players that the Bengals should have taken.  Just the ones they did

[*psychdoctor*]

I really thought Robert sands was going to be something.

[*bfine32*]

3rd RD MALIK JEFFERSON: Typical "Looks like Tarzan, Plays like Jane".

4th RD ANDREW BILLINGS: Got to "know him" by wishing for Shawn Oakman. I thought he was a big steal

5th RD CHRISTIAN WESTERMAN: I thought this guy was going to be our Pivot of the future

6th RD RODNEY ANDERSON: Thought the dude was more talented than Mixon, but he was already too broken

7th RD LOGAN WOODSIDE: Watched the kid play at Toledo and thought we really had something.

[fredtoast]

Also like to hear who you all think was the most "over-hyped" of these draft picks.

I used to be a hard core draft junkie. I did tons of research produced mock drafts every year. Back then I could usually figure out why certain players got so much love. Dontay Moch had a freak 40 time. Robert Sands had a video of one especially brutal hit. But I never understood all the love for Andrew Billings and Paul "JP" Dawson.

[XenoMorph]

(05-23-2022, 04:42 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I really thought Robert sands was going to be something.

i remember watching DE Dontae moch run down a receiver that had a 10 yard lead...     really thought he was gonna be special


While a 2nd rounder and a few years before 2011.. Kenny irons not got a go either.

Most Overhyped probly Ryan finaly even if he had no hype

[WeezyBengal]

Ryan Finley was a 4th round pick? Yikes...

[*ochocincos*]

I got overly pumped with Dontay Moch, Sean Porter, and Malik Jefferson.
Shame on me.

I also remember thinking Andrew Billings, Carl Lawson, Derron Smith, and Christian Westerman were steals.

[*bfine32*]

(05-23-2022, 04:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I got overly pumped with Dontay Moch, Sean Porter, and Malik Jefferson.
Shame on me.

I also remember thinking Andrew Billings, Carl Lawson, Derron Smith, and Christian Westerman were steals.

Carl Lawson was a steal

[fredtoast]

I watched Trayveon Williams in college and thought he was a steal. I still think he could be a good NFL RB if he could stay healthy, but at this point he is out of chances.

I liked Derron Smith (6th round safety). He was undersized but very productive in college with a bunch of picks and sacks.

I really liked 4th rounders Renell Wren and Orson Charles. I think a lot of people like the Charles pick.

[KillerGoose]

Dontay Moch - I thought this guy was going to be a lethal weapon off the edge with his explosiveness and speed. He went on to record SEVEN tackles for his entire career.

Mark Walton - I thought he would be a good combo back and was great value in the 4th. Never put it together and has turned into a career criminal after the NFL. Disappointing.

Marvin Jones - I didn't think Marvin Jones was going to be good. I remember getting into an argument with a poster back on the motherboard who said that Marvin was going to ball out and I thought it was ridiculous. I said something along the lines of "He'll be lucky to see the field". I missed hard on that one.

Rodney Anderson - Was an uber talented RB just made of glass. I still think he would have been good if he could stay healthy.

Mario Alford - He was a burner and I thought he would find a place in the NFL. I found out that speed doesn't matter that much if you aren't good at anything else. Everyone is fast in the NFL. Totaled one catch for 15 yards for his career. 

[fredtoast]

Almost forgot Darius Phillips.  

Still blown away by his college return stats.

5 int returns for td
5 kick off returns for tds
1 punt return for td
1 fumble recovery return for td

Also started as a freshman at WR before switching to DB as a sophomore.  He had 495 receiving yards and 2 more tds.

[fredtoast]

(05-23-2022, 04:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: 5th RD CHRISTIAN WESTERMAN: I thought this guy was going to be our Pivot of the future

I don't remember a lot of hype when we drafted him, but he played about a game and a half at the end of his rookie season and everybody fell in love with him.

And I doubt anyone will admit it now, but that same year a lot of people were excited about Redmond based on about one game played.

[fredtoast]

I also liked Tyler Kroft a lot.

He missed the combine for some reason then put up a bunch of really impressive numbers at his pro day. And he was big (6'6", 250). I think he is still playing in the NFL.

[George Cantstandya]

(05-23-2022, 04:57 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Ryan Finley was a 4th round pick? Yikes...

Finley was a bit of crap shoot I guess.  The Bengals ended up with 3 picks in the 4th round that year but they did trade up to get him (I think they gave up 2 6th round picks?).  At least he gave us this moment against the Steelers.  A bright spot during a very depressing season.  Then in 2021 the Bengals traded him and their 7th round pick to the Texans for their  6th round pick.  That 6th round pick was used on Chris Evans. 



So at least they got something out of him aside from that one shining moment.     Also I noticed in the "Break Out" season thread several people picked Evans.  If that happens then maybe the Finely pick would have worked out in a round about way.  :)

[*bengalfan74*]

Moch would make my list of guys I thought were gonna be good that just never panned out.

Paul Dawson was another I thought looked like he had some potential.

Dan Herron was another I thought might make a decent backup that fizzled out.

[*ochocincos*]

(05-23-2022, 05:28 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Moch would make my list of guys I thought were gonna be good that just never panned out.

Paul Dawson was another I thought looked like he had some potential.

Dan Herron was another I thought might make a decent backup that fizzled out.

Ahh yes, I remember liking Dawson too. I missed him in the list, thought he might have been earlier than 2011 since I didn't notice him listed.

Damn I'm really bad at evaluating LBs lol.

[leonardfan40]

I missed on (busts):
3- Thompson (coulda picked about half of these guys though-in my defense I wanted a LB bad for a decade there)
4- Billings
5-Sands
6- Derron Smith
7- Don’t remember being overly excited for any of those guys

My hits:
3- Hubbard/Pratt
4- Boling
5- Iloka
6- Burkhead

I Underestimated:
CJ
Marvin Jones (thought he’d be solid but not as good as he’s been)

[*jason*]

(05-23-2022, 05:39 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Ahh yes, I remember liking Dawson too. I missed him in the list, thought he might have been earlier than 2011 since I didn't notice him listed.

Damn I'm really bad at evaluating LBs lol.

I think the general consensus among Bengals fans was that PJ Dawson was gonna be awesome (teamed with Butfict), and that we totally got a steal.

[*ochocincos*]

(05-23-2022, 05:44 PM)jason Wrote: I think the general consensus among Bengals fans was that PJ Dawson was gonna be awesome (teamed with Butfict), and that we totally got a steal.

Yea, I think Burfict may have skewed our expectations of Dawson.
Burfict had a horrendous pre-draft workout where he posted abysmal athletic numbers.
But we saw Burfict play well despite that, so we though maybe Dawson was going to be in the similar mold of testing poorly but he'd do fine when actually on the field.

Dawson did have a great 3-cone, and his instincts and production in college were outstanding.
Didn't know he was going to have such terrible work ethic though.

[*ochocincos*]

(05-23-2022, 05:41 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: I missed on (busts):
3- Thompson (coulda picked about half of these guys though-in my defense I wanted a LB bad for a decade there)
4- Billings
5-Sands
6- Derron Smith
7- Don’t remember being overly excited for any of those guys

My hits:
3- Hubbard/Pratt
4- Boling
5- Iloka
6- Burkhead

I Underestimated:
CJ
Marvin Jones (thought he’d be solid but not as good as he’s been)

I personally wouldn't call Billings a bust, especially as a 4th round pick.
He played arguably above the average 4th rounder when he was a Bengal.
Bengals just decided to go after a better player in Reader and let Billings walk.

He chose to sit out 2020 (I believe because of COVID), and he didn't even play 100 snaps for Browns last year though.
I still thought he was a solid NT for Bengals 2018-2019.