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This is awesome!
Winning makes believers of us all
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Can't watch it right now Pally, so I just have to bump so I don't miss it. 
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(09-08-2022, 02:48 PM)pally Wrote: This is awesome!
That WAS great! 'Broadway' Joe was the man, Joe Burrow is the man!
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Joe Namath was one of the worst QBs of all time
And is the most comical football hall of famer by a landslide
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Percentage:
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TD–INT:
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Passing yards:
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Passer rating:
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Yeah but he won it all in New York. Plus fur coats.
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(09-10-2022, 12:17 AM)ATOTR Wrote: Joe Namath was one of the worst QBs of all time
And is the most comical football hall of famer by a landslide
Pass attempts:
3,762
Pass completions:
1,886
Percentage:
50.1
TD–INT:
173–220
Passing yards:
27,663
Passer rating:
65.5
Is this…is this true?? Good god man. Enshrine Ken.
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(09-10-2022, 12:27 AM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Is this…is this true?? Good god man. Enshrine Ken.
It’s true. He was horrific
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(09-10-2022, 12:17 AM)ATOTR Wrote: Joe Namath was one of the worst QBs of all time
And is the most comical football hall of famer by a landslide
Pass attempts:
3,762
Pass completions:
1,886
Percentage:
50.1
TD–INT:
173–220
Passing yards:
27,663
Passer rating:
65.5
Those numbers don't look good at all. He was the NFL's crooner... a greater marketer of himself than a great player, to his credit, he's like Nick Foles, he won a SB.
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(09-10-2022, 12:17 AM)ATOTR Wrote: Joe Namath was one of the worst QBs of all time
That is the greatest exaggeration in the history of the universe.
Namath was good when he was young and healthy, but even then he was a high-volume gunslinger
Namath had bad knees that cut his career short. Over his first five seasons ('65-'69) he led all QBs in passing yards (15,487)and was 4th in tds (97) and wins (37). His completion percentage looked bad (50.2), but 52.3 would have put him in the top ten. In his third season ('67) he became the first professional QB to throw for over 4000 yds in a season. In his 4th season he guaranteed the biggest upset in the history of professional football.
In '72 when the Jets were in the NFL he led the league in yards, tds, and a ridiculous 17.4 average yard per completion.
In '75 at 32, playing for a 3-win Jet team he again led the league in yards per completion (14.6). His career yards per completion (14.7) is #11 all-time.
But injuries ruined a promising career. The New York Jets were in their 6th season when Namath was drafted, and they had never had a winning season. In Joe's first five years they only had one losing season; won their division twice; and the Super Bowl once. But after those first five season Namath would only win a total of 25 games over 7 seasons. He was immobile and played on bad teams when there was no free agency to fix a team quickly. He won just 4 of 21 starts his last 2 seasons with the Jets (75-76). He was the opening day starter for the Rams in 77 and started 2-1 before being injured in his 4th game.
He mainly deserves to be in the Hall-of-Fame for having the biggest balls in league history. He was also huge in the growth in popularity of the NFL. he was the first real "super star" that even people who were not football fans would recognize. Especially women. It is hard to believe now that the NFL was not as popular as college football, or baseball, or boxing in the early '60's. I am not saying Joe Namath made the NFL popular by himself, but he was the perfect guy at the perfect time. Like Magic and Bird in the NBA. And Joe played in the media capital of the country. On the bright lights of Broadway. It was too perfect.
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(09-10-2022, 12:17 AM)ATOTR Wrote: Joe Namath was one of the worst QBs of all time
And is the most comical football hall of famer by a landslide
Pass attempts:
3,762
Pass completions:
1,886
Percentage:
50.1
TD–INT:
173–220
Passing yards:
27,663
Passer rating:
65.5
This is a pretty strong exaggeration. It was a completely different era. He was an elite AFL QB, but a marginal NFL QB. He never ranked higher than 12th in passer rating during his time in the NFL. He is far from one of the worst QBs ever, though.
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Joe was definitely a great QB
But not so great at drunk pick up lines on sideline reporters like Susie.
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(09-10-2022, 12:17 AM)ATOTR Wrote: Joe Namath was one of the worst QBs of all time
And is the most comical football hall of famer by a landslide
Pass attempts:
3,762
Pass completions:
1,886
Percentage:
50.1
TD–INT:
173–220
Passing yards:
27,663
Passer rating:
65.5
Agree. Numbers look bad, but different Era. Different rules. Look at Aikmans stats.
The modern NFL prioritizes offense. Just like what baseball does. So qb numbers inflated.
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(09-10-2022, 11:24 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Agree. Numbers look bad, but different Era. Different rules. Look at Aikmans stats.
The modern NFL prioritizes offense. Just like what baseball does. So qb numbers inflated.
Even by the Era he's not a Hall of Famer. He never had a single season where his QB Rating was >10% above the league average for that year, he had a losing record as a starter, and he only went to the playoffs 2 times in his career.
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(09-11-2022, 07:17 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Even by the Era he's not a Hall of Famer. He never had a single season where his QB Rating was >10% above the league average for that year, he had a losing record as a starter, and he only went to the playoffs 2 times in his career.
Agree. He's more personality than great. I remember looking his numbers up years ago and being surprised.
But seriously, everyone go look up Aikmans stats.
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(09-11-2022, 07:17 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Even by the Era he's not a Hall of Famer. He never had a single season where his QB Rating was >10% above the league average for that year, he had a losing record as a starter, and he only went to the playoffs 2 times in his career.
Not using team record, titles won, and playoff trips, are literally the argument we make that Anderson should be in the Hall on his individual stats. Meanwhile, we try to use those very things to say Namath should not be in the Hall?
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(09-11-2022, 11:03 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Agree. He's more personality than great. I remember looking his numbers up years ago and being surprised.
But seriously, everyone go look up Aikmans stats.
Aikman is an interesting case. His volume stats are underwhelming because they didn't run the ball often. He was a pretty good QB in his middle years, though. He was bad in '89 & 90. Then, he was fantastic from '91 to '95 and then average the rest of the way aside from '98.
Basically, he was a good QB who made the Hall primarily due to his Super Bowls and SB MVP. Keep in mind that in the 90's, the average passer rating was still in the 70's.
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(09-11-2022, 11:03 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Agree. He's more personality than great. I remember looking his numbers up years ago and being surprised.
But seriously, everyone go look up Aikmans stats.
Aikman had 5 seasons where he was >10% above league average QB Rating for that year (and 2 of >20%) compared to Namath's 0. He was also pretty darn accurate with 6 straight seasons of >20% above league average Completion%. He was absolutely a huge beneficiary of being on a great team that he didn't need to do much on during the regular season, his numbers are actually pretty darn impressive in the postseason... His regular season Comp%, YPG, and TD% are 61.5%, 199.6, and 3.5%.. his postseason numbers are 63.7%, 240.6, and 4.6%, with a 11-4 W-L record. His first Super Bowl win he threw 68.5% completion, 8 TD/0 INT, and had a 126.4 QB Rating in their 3 postseason games. In fact he only had 1 game with <101 QB Rating out of the 9 in their 3 SB postseasons. People love guys who shine on the big stage.
But mostly, regardless of the stats, you're just never going to have a QB who is the starter for 3 Lombardi wins not go to the HoF barring some serious off-the-field circumstances. Nick Foles wins 2 more and he'll go in too. Lol
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(09-11-2022, 11:13 AM)jfkbengals Wrote: Not using team record, titles won, and playoff trips, are literally the argument we make that Anderson should be in the Hall on his individual stats. Meanwhile, we try to use those very things to say Namath should not be in the Hall?
What are you talking about? Anderson has a winning record as a starter and went to 2x as many playoffs as Namath... AND he has good stats and an MVP.
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(09-11-2022, 11:43 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: What are you talking about? Anderson has a winning record as a starter and went to 2x as many playoffs as Namath... AND he has good stats and an MVP.
I'm talking about our constant argument that team stats should not be a part of his consideration, and it shouldn't. Similarly, team stats should not be used to determine Namath's worthiness.
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(09-11-2022, 11:39 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: But mostly, regardless of the stats, you're just never going to have a QB who is the starter for 3 Lombardi wins not go to the HoF barring some serious off-the-field circumstances. Nick Foles wins 2 more and he'll go in too. Lol
I think Eli Manning is going to prove this out as well, though he only won two and not three. Aside from his playoff accomplishments, he was a very underwhelming QB. However, he slayed the dragon twice, and played well in both Super Bowls.
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