Uh oh Joe Mixon

[PDub80]

Regardless of the outcome, I don't see how Mixon is on the team in 2023. The money doesn't even remotely make sense.

[Bengalstripes9]

To me a running back is more valuable than a tight end and we could have our pick at the bottom of the 1st.

Tight ends tend to take a while to develop.
Running backs are good to go right away.

Running backs are used on at least 1/3 of our plays.
Tight ends get 3 catches per game, but do block as well.

All this makes me lean towards running back in the 1st and tight end on day 2.
Add to this how attractive it is to get a 5th year option with an explosive back (making the salary cap work paying WR1,2 and QB1.

I much prefer a rookie running back to a veteran running back. Running backs fall off a cliff quick with injuries.

[BenZoo2]

I like to stay in the innocent until proven guilty camp. But two gun related incidents are not a good look for him or the team. Curious what the cba says about cutting players who are only in the “allegedly” category before they’ve been proven guilty.

And he had seemingly put the punch incident behind him and been fine since being here


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[*ochocincos*]

(04-07-2023, 03:13 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: To me a running back is more valuable than a tight end and we could have our pick at the bottom of the 1st.

Tight ends tend to take a while to develop.
Running backs are good to go right away.

Running backs are used on at least 1/3 of our plays.
Tight ends get 3 catches per game, but do block as well.

All this makes me lean towards running back in the 1st and tight end on day 2.
Add to this how attractive it is to get a 5th year option with an explosive back (making the salary cap work paying WR1,2 and QB1.

I much prefer a rookie running back to a veteran running back. Running backs fall off a cliff quick with injuries.

Last year, TEs accounted for 92 targets in the regular season (over 15% of the target share).
They had 73 receptions (over 17% of the total receptions).

On a per-game look, that's 5.4 targets and 4.3 receptions per game.

You're right that it's not as high as the RBs, but it's not like the Bengals had a terrible RB. 
They had a bad run-blocking OL (esp. the left side), and also possibly a bad running game playcaller.

Personally, I don't care to have a 5th year option for a RB, as the option is going to be expensive too.
Draft a rookie in Rds 2-4, wait until their rookie contract is up, then draft another.

[KillerGoose]

I'm just waiting for Soonerpeace to come in here and tell us how, no matter what, Mixon isn't going anywhere and we are all wrong.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(04-07-2023, 01:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Few on here will ever experience the burden that comes with always being right.

you going full fred again?

[Soonerpeace]

(04-07-2023, 03:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I'm just waiting for Soonerpeace to come in here and tell us how, no matter what, Mixon isn't going anywhere and we are all wrong.

Nope I never said he’d survive criminal convictions. But some will say I did. I’m not stupid and my source’s (not an employee) opinion that he’d be on the team in the fall I wouldn’t doubt in a million years and take it over 75% that get a paycheck and that was before Perine left.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(04-07-2023, 03:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I'm just waiting for Soonerpeace to come in here and tell us how, no matter what, Mixon isn't going anywhere and we are all wrong.

Pretty sure he said barring legalities. Just like I did. 

[*Go Cards*]

Say it ain't so Joe.

[OSUfan]

June 1st cut and just put this whole mess to bed. Not saying he is guilty or not but this franchise has worked to hard to separate itself from this sort of image.

[*bfine32*]

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-07-2023, 04:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote:

Allegedly.

[*bfine32*]

(04-07-2023, 04:52 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Allegedly.

Hey Joe! Who you gonna run for now?

[*Go Cards*]

(04-07-2023, 05:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hey Joe! Who you gonna run for now?

He's going way down south

Way down the Ron Mexico way 

 

[KillerGoose]

(04-07-2023, 04:19 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Nope I never said he’d survive criminal convictions. But some will say I did. I’m not stupid and my source’s (not an employee) opinion that he’d be on the team in the fall I wouldn’t doubt in a million years and take it over 75% that get a paycheck and that was before Perine left.

That's fair, I apologize for misremembering. 

[*bengalfan74*]

(04-07-2023, 03:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I'm just waiting for Soonerpeace to come in here and tell us how, no matter what, Mixon isn't going anywhere and we are all wrong.

Right lol

Mixon is toast now for sure.

[Danimal]

So done with this guy. Not sure the way forward, but cut this guy.

[Brownshoe]

I was thinking that he'll be here next season, but we're going to be drafting a RB early this year...

Hopefully this is just a BS charge, but it's getting worrisome that different charges keep coming up.

[PDub80]

(04-07-2023, 03:13 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: To me a running back is more valuable than a tight end and we could have our pick at the bottom of the 1st.

Tight ends tend to take a while to develop.
Running backs are good to go right away.

Running backs are used on at least 1/3 of our plays.
Tight ends get 3 catches per game, but do block as well.

All this makes me lean towards running back in the 1st and tight end on day 2.
Add to this how attractive it is to get a 5th year option with an explosive back (making the salary cap work paying WR1,2 and QB1.

I much prefer a rookie running back to a veteran running back. Running backs fall off a cliff quick with injuries.

I would like to thorw out a rebuttal....

Here's why... NFL has 20 years at this point of proven track records that the O line is more responsible for the running game than the actual running back. The O line has a HUGE impact on avg yard per carry over the actual ball carrier. And RBs go down a lot any more. The Bengals need blockers and a scheme that works with interchangeable pieces.

- This really started to become an apparent trend when those early 2000s Broncos teams would go down to their 3rd or 4th RB and STILL be able to move chains and threaten. Now we see RBs go down all the time and teams with good lines be able to still run just fine. Look how Perine faired when Mixon left. I actually think the run game got BETTER. If not anything but more consistent at what the Bengals needed out of the position.

- A strong TE, on the other hand, will force the safeties to stay inside instead of playing high and wide on the hash marks. A TE who's a threat on mid to deep out, seam, and post routes would force singles on at least 1 of the WRs (Chase or Higgins). The Bengals were KILLED last year without any threats over the middle of the field.

A great TE would allow the Bengals to move pieces around and STILL hit the entire route tree due to how the defenses have to react and move pieces around to cover (for example) Chase in the slot. 

I will say this on TEs.... There are maybe 3 or 4 great ones who are siginifiicant difference makers in the entire league - and they can block. If the Bengals can find one of those in this draft... odds are strong there is at least 1 because the TE class this year is WILDLY strong... it will open up a TON of possibilities. Sam Laporta would be interesting. Hell, they should take 2 TEs in this draft it is so talented. I think it is 7 or 8 guys deep with at least 3rd round grades on them. That is IMPRESSIVE!

- RB wise I actually really like the kid from Minnesota, Ibrahim as a mid to late rounder. The Bengals issue will be that they have NO blocking RB on the roster. If they can cut Mixon and sign Elliot who can be short yardage/blocking duties while drafting an every down speed/hands guy it would be a home run. I also love the RB from UCLA, but that would require at least a 2nd rounder and I hate that.

[Emeritus]

I hate this for the young man who came to Cincinnati and shed a checkered past and grew into a professional. I really don't think the charges match because we'd have known weeks ago "If" charges were warranted. Its the powers that be that try to tarnish reputations. Now I will say that this coming out now sort of makes it easier for a team to cut ties and move away before drafting a replacement in 20+ days... I'm just saying lets give Mix his due process plz before jumping to anymore conclusions outside the court of law.