Jonah Williams Requests Trade

[Sled21]

(03-31-2023, 02:17 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Some of those guys are competing for a 2023 spot as well. Don't forget Adeniji. I think it extremely unlikely that Brown, Williams, Collins, Carman, Adeniji, Ford, and Smith all make the final roster. 

Even if Collins is on PUP AND Williams gets traded, I think one of the others still gets cut. And that's without a draft pick at OT. If a guy could cover OG4 and OT4, then maybe we keep 5 tackles. But Carman/Adeniji/Ford have all looked bad at guard. Collins had a decent year at G a while back, but he's likely hurt. 

I've seen about all I want to of Adeniji... 

[bengals1969]

(04-02-2023, 02:31 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I've seen about all I want to of Adeniji... 

Adeniji was awful in the championship game and has to go.  The backups weren't good enough when it counted.  We must expect injuries by playoffs like happened these last two seasons.  So no more Adeniji and probably Smith is gone too.  If the draft goes one way Scharping could be gone too, he's no lock. Could be only Hill returns as a first off the bench backup.  The Williams thing makes my head hurt figuring all the angles.  

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(04-02-2023, 02:31 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I've seen about all I want to of Adeniji... 

Fair enough. But he still IS on the team. 

[SunsetBengal]

(04-02-2023, 02:31 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I've seen about all I want to of Adeniji... 

Regretfully, I believe that to be the case with most of us.  He definitely seemed like an interesting prospect with his ability to play 4 positions, but unfortunately he just hasn't physically developed into a starting quality player.

[Housh]

(03-25-2023, 02:19 PM)Joelist Wrote: Jonah’s career numbers

2020 - Run Block 53.4 Pass Block 75.8

2021 - Run Block 79.8 Pass Block 68.8

2022 - Run Block 49.9 Pass Block 63.9

Brown’s career numbers

2018 - Rats RT - Run Block 61.8 Pass Block 73.5

2019 - Rats RT - Run Block 59.4 Pass Block 82.5

2020 - Rats RT - Run Block 73.0 Pass Block 76.7

2021 - Chiefs LT - Run Block 67.0 Pass Block 76.1

2022 - Chiefs LT - Run Block 69.1 Pass Block 77.2

Arguing is more fun with the numbers handy :)

So basically Jonah’s best pass block year per PFF is what Brown does on average.


And Brown has graded poor as a run block guy which i know is BS because Brown is very good at run blocking so idk how PFF makes these grades.



We upgraded, but only slightly from Jonah’s best ever year. If you are talking last year then we had a big upgrade at LT.

[Housh]

(04-02-2023, 03:07 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Adeniji was awful in the championship game and has to go.  The backups weren't good enough when it counted.  We must expect injuries by playoffs like happened these last two seasons.  So no more Adeniji and probably Smith is gone too.  If the draft goes one way Scharping could be gone too, he's no lock. Could be only Hill returns as a first off the bench backup.  The Williams thing makes my head hurt figuring all the angles.  

Think this is what Zac calls raising the floor of the room.


Fwiw i think Hakeem will be on the roster this year. Just doesn’t seem smart to cut a guy who knows the system without having a replacement first. I’d hope we draft maybe 2 linemen and one or both beat Hakeem out. I just don’t see the consistency to even warrant him as a backup

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(04-05-2023, 11:15 AM)Housh Wrote: So basically Jonah’s best pass block year per PFF is what Brown does on average.


And Brown has graded poor as a run block guy which i know is BS because Brown is very good at run blocking so idk how PFF makes these grades.



We upgraded, but only slightly from Jonah’s best ever year. If you are talking last year then we had a big upgrade at LT.

Outside of 2021, Jonah's best years are worse the Brown's worst. Run and pass blocking. 

Now, perhaps a healthier Jonah returns to 2021 form. But I'd rather bet on Brown continuing to perform well than Jinah repeating his outlier high. 

I was optimistic on Jonah after 2021.  2022 was ahuge disappointment. Though the knee was doubtless a factor, he was poor before he hurt it. 

[SunsetBengal]

(04-05-2023, 11:15 AM)Housh Wrote: So basically Jonah’s best pass block year per PFF is what Brown does on average.


And Brown has graded poor as a run block guy which i know is BS because Brown is very good at run blocking so idk how PFF makes these grades.



We upgraded, but only slightly from Jonah’s best ever year. If you are talking last year then we had a big upgrade at LT.

Essentially, I agree with that statement.  However, I can't put a lot of emphasis on his run blocking with the Chiefs, as the interior is the strength of their OL.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-05-2023, 11:17 AM)Housh Wrote: Think this is what Zac calls raising the floor of the room.


Fwiw i think Hakeem will be on the roster this year. Just doesn’t seem smart to cut a guy who knows the system without having a replacement first. I’d hope we draft maybe 2 linemen and one or both beat Hakeem out. I just don’t see the consistency to even warrant him as a backup

Who would not make the roster in favor of Adeniji though?

OTs right now while Collins is on the mend are: Brown, Williams, Carman, Ford, Smith, Adeniji
They'll likely only keep 4.


For C, they got Karras and Hill

For OGs, they got Cappa, Volson, Scharping

Hill, Carman, and Ford can play OG in an emergency.

With the additions of Ford and Brown, I can't see Adeniji or Smith lasting into the regular season.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-05-2023, 01:35 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Who would not make the roster in favor of Adeniji though?

OTs right now while Collins is on the mend are: Brown, Williams, Carman, Ford, Smith, Adeniji
They'll likely only keep 4.


For C, they got Karras and Hill

For OGs, they got Cappa, Volson, Scharping

Hill, Carman, and Ford can play OG in an emergency.

With the additions of Ford and Brown, I can't see Adeniji or Smith lasting into the regular season.

Especially if we add a Tackle like Harrison, DaWand Jones, Bergeron, McClendon etc.

[*Go Cards*]

(04-05-2023, 01:35 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Who would not make the roster in favor of Adeniji though?

OTs right now while Collins is on the mend are: Brown, Williams, Carman, Ford, Smith, Adeniji
They'll likely only keep 4.


For C, they got Karras and Hill

For OGs, they got Cappa, Volson, Scharping

Hill, Carman, and Ford can play OG in an emergency.

With the additions of Ford and Brown, I can't see Adeniji or Smith lasting into the regular season.

Yep

Think Adenji and Smith's days are numbered unless one improves by leaps and bounds this offseason which is unlikely. 

 Certain an OT will be drafted as well making the log jam even bigger. Yet also think there's a fair chance Jonah is traded right before or during the draft which will alleviate the log jam some but probably not enough for Smith and Adeniji to survive if a talented OT is drafted

[*Synric*]

So... when the Bengals draft Darnell Wright does Jonah play Left Guard?

[*ochocincos*]

(04-05-2023, 03:05 PM)Synric Wrote: So... when the Bengals draft Darnell Wright does Jonah play Left Guard?

Nope Wright rides the bench unless/until Jonah gets injured 

[bengaloo]

(04-05-2023, 03:05 PM)Synric Wrote: So... when the Bengals draft Darnell Wright does Jonah play Left Guard?

Would love to draft Darnell Wright. If we do, Jonah's trade value gets cheaper throughout the rest of the draft, imo. Maybe they will unload him for an extra 4th or 5th round pick. 

Responding to your question, I would love to see how Jonah reacted to playing OG lol. The sad part is he would probably make a really good OG if he would accept it and approach it with the same vigor he would approach being a LT. His attitude on this may end up hindering his career.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-05-2023, 03:03 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Yep

Think Adenji and Smith's days are numbered unless one improves by leaps and bounds this offseason which is unlikely. 

 Certain an OT will be drafted as well making the log jam even bigger. Yet also think there's a fair chance Jonah is traded right before or during the draft which will alleviate the log jam some but probably not enough for Smith and Adeniji to survive if a talented OT is drafted

I'm not certain of that if they keep Jonah.
They normally roll with 9 OL.
If they decide to roll with a 10th OL, I could see that. But they'll also have Collins coming back from injury, who could be the 10th.

[*rfaulk34*]

(04-05-2023, 03:05 PM)Synric Wrote: So... when the Bengals draft Darnell Wright does Jonah play Left Guard?

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(04-05-2023, 03:05 PM)Synric Wrote: So... when the Bengals draft Darnell Wright does Jonah play Left Guard?

If we draft Wright, we'll take that 3rd rounder for Jonah. 

We have 12 OL signed. 13 counting Brown. Collins is likely PUP to start. If I had to rank them.

1. Brown (LT)
2. Cappa (RG)
3. Karras (C/G)
4. Williams (OT)
5. Collins (RT/G) (injured)
6. Carman (LT/RT?)
7. Volson (LG)

Based on ability, those 7 are locks. With Collins likely hurt 4 spots left. Pending the draft.

8. Scharping (OG)
9. Adeniji (OT)
10. Ford (RT/G)

At least those guys have actual NFL experience. Albeit the performances have been mediocre to poor.

11. Hill (C/G)
12. Smith (OT, G?)
13. Brown © (inj)

Totally unproven/haven't played. Hill makes the team because we need another C. Smith has the biggest dead cap number. I think IOL is a bigger need than tackle (for this year).

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-05-2023, 03:05 PM)Synric Wrote: So... when the Bengals draft Darnell Wright does Jonah play Left Guard?

We will trade Jonah right after if we Draft Darnell Wright. Sure as hell hope he falls and we Draft him. Just doubt he falls to us from 
all the Mocks right now, but the Draft is always crazy.

(04-05-2023, 06:32 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: If we draft Wright, we'll take that 3rd rounder for Jonah. 

We have 12 OL signed. 13 counting Brown. Collins is likely PUP to start. If I had to rank them.

1. Brown (LT)
2. Cappa (RG)
3. Karras (C/G)
4. Williams (OT)
5. Collins (RT/G) (injured)  
6. Carman (LT/RT?)
7. Volson (LG)

Based on ability, those 7 are locks. With Collins likely hurt  4 spots left. Pending the draft.

8. Scharping (OG)
9. Adeniji (OT)
10. Ford (RT/G)

At least those guys have actual NFL experience. Albeit the performances have been mediocre to poor.

11. Hill (C/G)
12. Smith (OT, G?)  
13. Brown © (inj)

Totally unproven/haven't played. Hill makes the team because we need another C. Smith has the biggest dead cap number. I think IOL is a bigger need than tackle (for this year).

Have we had an offer of a 3rd rounder for Jonah?

Thanks for the roster breakdowns Ike BTW.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(04-05-2023, 07:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Have we had an offer of a 3rd rounder for Jonah?

Thanks for the roster breakdowns Ike BTW.

Yeah, I hadn't heard that either. I feel like if someone offered a 3rd, Jonah would already be on that team. Lol

[tms]

If Jonah truly wants out and there's a team out there that wants him, I really hope the Bengals can work out a deal. Take the best offer and move on.