Chase Brown last night

[M.W.]

(08-19-2023, 10:23 AM)QueenCity Wrote: OLine is absolutely terrible on the 2nd unit... the fact that Chris Evans is having success is a miracle in its self. He deserves the RB2 as of now.

That said I haven't been impressed with Brown either and I'm honestly not convinced he crossed the goal line last night either lol. Maybe he picks it up by mid-season or proves he deserves a starting spot the following but he needs work.

I tend to agree. They open no holes and get no push.   Hopefully the starters can perform better than they did last year but unless these back ups play against a horrible set of defenders a good game fir the RBs is avoiding a concussion. 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(08-20-2023, 01:45 PM)M.W. Wrote: I tend to agree. They open no holes and get no push.   Hopefully the starters can perform better than they did last year but unless these back ups play against a horrible set of defenders a good game fir the RBs is avoiding a concussion. 

We value pass blockers more than run blockers. Collins & Carman are the only two that are better run blockers than protectors. 

[Essex Johnson]

(08-19-2023, 06:03 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: What?  After 2 preseason games he is averaging 1.7 yards per attempt.  VS Packers 8 attempts for 12 yards.  Last night 9 attempts for 18 yards. Look the guy is a 5th round pick so don't expect much.   If he does something better great.

It is a limited sample but the idea that you just get the handoff and run as hard as you can is not always the answer either.. most great backs also know to let things develop at times depending on what is called and plus good backs also read the defense...  our backup Oline though has not performed that well either.  Right now it looks like Evans to be the 3rd back but one preseason game to go to see if Brown can jump him. 

[Bengalstripes9]

(08-19-2023, 11:14 PM)Joelist Wrote: On PASS plays? He literally hit the LT from behind twice, knocking them out of their pass block. I saw it, Liscow saw it so did others. He needs to work on that kind of stuff - there is no reason for him to run into our blockers when he is in pass protect. 

Like I said, I'm not sure what play you are talking about. I thought you were referring to him running into a wall of blockers when he had the ball and was running. That happened a lot and is what sticks into my mind the most. 

How did he grade out in pass protection this week? I assume any rookie running back will struggle at it in the pros.

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2023, 03:09 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: We value pass blockers more than run blockers. Collins & Carman are the only two that are better run blockers than protectors. 

Cappa and OBJ are good run blockers. 

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2023, 10:15 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Like I said, I'm not sure what play you are talking about. I thought you were referring to him running into a wall of blockers when he had the ball and was running. That happened a lot and is what sticks into my mind the most. 

How did he grade out in pass protection this week? I assume any rookie running back will struggle at it in the pros.

He actually graded really well I think PFF gave him an 83. Not quite sure on the science of how they make there grades. I thought that was funny because I saw other people point out him running into the left tackle. I suppose they're grade is only when he actually engages with a defender.

[*ochocincos*]

(08-19-2023, 09:49 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: it seems every thing seems to be aligning with Evans in this crucial camp, he has improved his blocking and looks better running the ball and has continued being solid out of backfield, the kickoff return last nite just added to a good camp, unless a terrible 3rd preseason camp by him and a great one by brown, im thinking bengals will keep him as their 3rd back and  take on passing downs role like Perrine did. 

The blocking really could be the key for Evans to make the team, especially to act as the 3rd down RB.
We know he can catch, so if he can block now too, he can slot right into the Bernard/Perine role.

[Garrus]

I thought Brown has looked pretty good for the most part. He seems to hit the holes hard and is decisive. He isn't a superstar so he needs help from his OL to create lanes to run through, I think with a better line he would do better. He has shown some shifty moves as well. Both him and Evans have looked decent to me.

[WeezyBengal]

(08-19-2023, 02:40 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: I agree with this. Brown is a good story, but outside of specialists, you don't really count on 5th round rookies contributing much. 

I'd agree other than he's playing the RB position. Usually that position transitions pretty quickly to the NFL.

[Joelist]

(08-20-2023, 10:37 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: He actually graded really well I think PFF gave him an 83. Not quite sure on the science of how they make there grades. I thought that was funny because I saw other people point out him running into the left tackle. I suppose they're grade is only when he actually engages with a defender.

Yep! Like I said in my OP, he ran into the LT twice and each time it knocked the LT out of their PASS set and caused pressures, including on the INT play. Running into linemen on run plays is part of running, but on PASS plays a back on pass protect should not be knocking linemen out of their sets. It's something he needs to be careful of and address. 

[THE PISTONS]

(08-19-2023, 07:46 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: He is young and with so much spread in college blocking at nfl level is normally a weakness. Not like he is a 2nd round pick to replace Mixon. After two games I do give Evans the edge over Brown for 3rd RB.

The forum generally over-rates draft picks. Most rookies are special teamers. Maybe 1 or 2 get snaps on offense or defense...unless you draft really high.

Plus, on a loaded roster...like the Bengals...it's harder to break into the rotation. Look at T Williams at RB. He probably would play on a worse team.

The real test will be whether he develops into something in upcoming seasons.

That said...there are teams that play rookie RB's and WR's and those guys have success. RB is largely a function of a good OL. The Bengals should have a good run-blocking line.