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Two articles I rolled across a few minutes ago detail how different our offense will look under Pitcher and how we'll utilize so many different weapons.
We've already pointed out how Burrow will be under center more now that he's healthier, and that, coupled with how many different looks that we can give teams, make our offense a very dangerous squad.
Quote:The Cincinnati Bengals offense experienced a lot of change this offseason. While one of the most high-profile potential changes did not come to pass as Tee Higgins signed his franchise tag and will remain with the team in 2024, the Bengals did part ways with longtime running back Joe Mixon, replaced departed offensive coordinator Brian Callahan -- now the head coach of the Tennessee Titans -- with quarterbacks coach Dan Pitcher, allowed slot receiver Tyler Boyd to leave in free agency, signed tackle Trent Brown, running back Zack Moss, and tight end Mike Gesicki, and drafted Amarius Mims, Jermaine Burton, and Erick All.
But then it lists how Burrow's excited about all the different things that our offense will be able to do, and how we'll use the tight ends more. It says that Gesicki will play in the slot more, which has me excited because he ran his 40 slightly faster than Boyd, who played from the slot, and he's 4 inches taller than Boyd. That size difference will make Burrow be able to see him better than Boyd and also allow him to run routes over the middle more.
Bengals Wire also mentions Burrow's enthusiasm and, again, mentions the ability to put different players in different positions. That excites me because, with so many weapons that we can put all over the field, it makes it very difficult for coordinators to make game plans against us and difficult to call defenses.
Quote:“With the personnel we have this year, we’ll be able to do a lot more with personnel groupings. Putting different people in different spots,” Burrow said, according to Geoff Hobson of Bengals.com. “And doing a lot of different things as far as eye candy and making teams adjust their personnel based on ours.”
That's what I love about Burrow being healthy enough to be under center because it brings the run game more into the mix and changes how the defenses will have to play us in the box and in pass rush because he won't be a set figure that they can just tee-off towards at the snap. I'm not saying that Burrow will get out of the pocket much and be elusive, but it does make a difference.
Chase can also line up in the slot more, as can Burton and the other tight ends, and it just makes us very dangerous in how many different things we can do, which the article ends summing up my whole reason for this post and why I'm so excited:
Quote:Which is to say the Bengals, on paper, should be able to dictate games better rather than sitting on their heels and reacting to what defenses do. Provided everyone stays healthy, that should be beneficial right in Week 1 and throughout the season as they add layers.
Health is always important, but we should have a big year ahead as long as we're not unlucky with injuries, which we should be able to survive any injuries outside of Burrow and to our offensive line.
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One thing they seem to be hinting at is different alignments while having different personnel groupings. Maybe this means more motion?
Sure hope so, as much as I don't like that McDaniel coach of the Phins, I like how they run so many motions and it messes with Defenses.
More motion would be incredible because, like I said, making it difficult for opposing coordinators to call defense because of versatility becomes even more problematic with motion!
We were 20th in motion last season, 29th in 2022, and 19th in 2021, so more motion couldn't be bad and would help create more mismatches! Remind me when training camp rolls around and I'll ask Burrow and Pitcher about it!
I pray to the crippled God that our line can allow all of this to happen!
(07-04-2024, 06:23 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Two articles I rolled across a few minutes ago detail how different our offense will look under Pitcher and how we'll utilize so many different weapons.
We've already pointed out how Burrow will be under center more now that he's healthier, and that, coupled with how many different looks that we can give teams, make our offense a very dangerous squad.
But then it lists how Burrow's excited about all the different things that our offense will be able to do, and how we'll use the tight ends more. It says that Gesicki will play in the slot more, which has me excited because he ran his 40 slightly faster than Boyd, who played from the slot, and he's 4 inches taller than Boyd. That size difference will make Burrow be able to see him better than Boyd and also allow him to run routes over the middle more.
Bengals Wire also mentions Burrow's enthusiasm and, again, mentions the ability to put different players in different positions. That excites me because, with so many weapons that we can put all over the field, it makes it very difficult for coordinators to make game plans against us and difficult to call defenses.
That's what I love about Burrow being healthy enough to be under center because it brings the run game more into the mix and changes how the defenses will have to play us in the box and in pass rush because he won't be a set figure that they can just tee-off towards at the snap. I'm not saying that Burrow will get out of the pocket much and be elusive, but it does make a difference.
Chase can also line up in the slot more, as can Burton and the other tight ends, and it just makes us very dangerous in how many different things we can do, which the article ends summing up my whole reason for this post and why I'm so excited:
Health is always important, but we should have a big year ahead as long as we're not unlucky with injuries, which we should be able to survive any injuries outside of Burrow and to our offensive line.
It's going to be a hell of a year!
WHO-DEY!
You touched on several things I’ve also heard. Gesicki in the slot and Chase in the slot. For different reasons we’ve made that position more dynamic. Not as easy to double team Chase. Gesicki will be a mismatch plain and simple. If Burton or Isovias can make plays they are going to be there. Pitcher has preached we need to be more explosive. Chase Brown definitely is. Hopefully we can run the damn ball
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.
Mixing up the offense prevents defenses from doing what they were previously doing, namely pinning their ears back and pass rushing. It will be even better now that our backs know what pass protect and our tackles won't be on islands as often. More under center and better run/pass balance also lets the OL attack more, which is good for a line to get in sync and it sets the tone.
It does appear on paper our offense can be more versatile. The key will be the new guys stepping up, 2021 and 2022 Tee Higgins and of course a much improved OL.
I am also excited. It seems to have been a longer off season to me.
Time to get ready for the 2024 season fast approaching finally.
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
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(07-06-2024, 10:16 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: You touched on several things I’ve also heard. Gesicki in the slot and Chase in the slot. For different reasons we’ve made that position more dynamic. Not as easy to double team Chase. Gesicki will be a mismatch plain and simple. If Burton or Isovias can make plays they are going to be there. Pitcher has preached we need to be more explosive. Chase Brown definitely is. Hopefully we can run the damn ball
Like I said, Burrow healthy enough to be under center in itself will improve the run game a lot just because the back- Brown, Moss, etc.- will be able to hit the hole so much faster getting the ball with a running start, which also gives the defense less time to react and commit to the run, drop into passing lanes, or rush the passer.
I'm getting more and more excited whenever I think about it because we have so many weapons that we'll be very tough to stop with a healthy, mobile Burrow!
(07-06-2024, 10:42 AM)Joelist Wrote: Mixing up the offense prevents defenses from doing what they were previously doing, namely pinning their ears back and pass rushing. It will be even better now that our backs know what pass protect and our tackles won't be on islands as often. More under center and better run/pass balance also lets the OL attack more, which is good for a line to get in sync and it sets the tone.
Exactly and, as mentioned, we'll have so many weapons and doing things like putting guys in motion pre-snap prevents defenses from doing a lot of things and also makes the adjust to what they planned.
That alone, along with improved linemen, will make the line's job a lot easier.
(07-06-2024, 12:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Great find Brad.
It does appear on paper our offense can be more versatile. The key will be the new guys stepping up, 2021 and 2022 Tee Higgins and of course a much improved OL.
I am also excited. It seems to have been a longer off season to me.
Time to get ready for the 2024 season fast approaching finally.
As much as I want the season to get here, I'm actually doing ok just enjoying summer for once because, as strange as it seems, I'm so comfortable and confident in our team that I'm not wanting to see the season start as soon as next week like I usually do.
Besides for the line, whose lives will be easier anyways, I don't think it's much about guys stepping up because we have the talent and Burrow's so good that we don't need guys to make super-human plays: just run the routes and Burrow will get you the ball, which keeps drives going and produces big plays.
Three weeks away til training camp and we get to see this offense clicking on all cylinders!
(07-06-2024, 12:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Great find Brad.
It does appear on paper our offense can be more versatile. The key will be the new guys stepping up, 2021 and 2022 Tee Higgins and of course a much improved OL.
I am also excited. It seems to have been a longer off season to me.
Time to get ready for the 2024 season fast approaching finally.
There’s nothing controversial to argue about this offseason.
(07-06-2024, 02:01 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Like I said, Burrow healthy enough to be under center in itself will improve the run game a lot just because the back- Brown, Moss, etc.- will be able to hit the hole so much faster getting the ball with a running start, which also gives the defense less time to react and commit to the run, drop into passing lanes, or rush the passer.
I'm getting more and more excited whenever I think about it because we have so many weapons that we'll be very tough to stop with a healthy, mobile Burrow!
Exactly and, as mentioned, we'll have so many weapons and doing things like putting guys in motion pre-snap prevents defenses from doing a lot of things and also makes the adjust to what they planned.
That alone, along with improved linemen, will make the line's job a lot easier.
As much as I want the season to get here, I'm actually doing ok just enjoying summer for once because, as strange as it seems, I'm so comfortable and confident in our team that I'm not wanting to see the season start as soon as next week like I usually do.
Besides for the line, whose lives will be easier anyways, I don't think it's much about guys stepping up because we have the talent and Burrow's so good that we don't need guys to make super-human plays: just run the routes and Burrow will get you the ball, which keeps drives going and produces big plays.
Three weeks away til training camp and we get to see this offense clicking on all cylinders!
The real crux of the offense’s success?
People are too focused on scheme. It’s matchups too. . Our only matchup advantages were Tee & Chase. When they were double teamed it was an issue. Chase Brown can be a matchup issue if utilized scheme wise. Gesicki can be a matchup issue. Burton can be a matchup issue. Isovias can be a matchup issue. And it’s not limited to the skill guys. I remember discussing with Chuck Long former OC at Oklahoma. When Adrian Peterson came in as a freshman on 4th and 2 vs TAMU (he’d been out on a third down passing play) everybody knew he was getting the ball. I asked Chuck the next time I saw him. I said the whole continent knew you were going to run AD over left tackle ( Jamaal Brown longtime NFL tackle). He said it’s about matchups. He said it doesn’t have to be your best player but it has to be the matchup you know you can win. We need a matchup on the OL we can win.
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.
Motion does aid the QB in revealing the secondary alignment to a certain degree, however, it isn't all positive.
Motion results in more pre-snap penalties, it is more difficult when adding new players, and it can also provide a tell to the defense.
Manning hated motion, I can see Burrow being ok with it but not needing it. Motion is great for QBs that cannot read and process defenses extremely fast.
I wouldn't mind seeing Chase used in those head start motion routes like Miami does with Hill.
(07-06-2024, 04:09 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Motion does aid the QB in revealing the secondary alignment to a certain degree, however, it isn't all positive.
Motion results in more pre-snap penalties, it is more difficult when adding new players, and it can also provide a tell to the defense.
Manning hated motion, I can see Burrow being ok with it but not needing it. Motion is great for QBs that cannot read and process defenses extremely fast.
I wouldn't mind seeing Chase used in those head start motion routes like Miami does with Hill.
Spot on post and points on Chase & Hill. The Bengals are the least offensive penalized team the last 3 years.
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.
(07-06-2024, 08:15 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Spot on post and points on Chase & Hill. The Bengals are the least offensive penalized team the last 3 years.
For all the OL issues we have had, this is a positive. It does make you have to wonder if coaching is the issue. I think we have the players on the OL, but last year was a disaster from the start. The few healthy games we had, we might have been the most dominant team in the nfl, on the offensive side.
The bengals and lions were the only teams to score 31 (no one scored more) on the niners.
Burrow is motivated to remind his doubters who he is, and that's good news for all of us.
They've been talking about Bengals likely being in last place and not being able to trust Burrow's health on the National talk radio the past couple weeks. He sounds like he's heard the talk.
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(07-04-2024, 06:23 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Two articles I rolled across a few minutes ago detail how different our offense will look under Pitcher and how we'll utilize so many different weapons.
We've already pointed out how Burrow will be under center more now that he's healthier, and that, coupled with how many different looks that we can give teams, make our offense a very dangerous squad.
But then it lists how Burrow's excited about all the different things that our offense will be able to do, and how we'll use the tight ends more. It says that Gesicki will play in the slot more, which has me excited because he ran his 40 slightly faster than Boyd, who played from the slot, and he's 4 inches taller than Boyd. That size difference will make Burrow be able to see him better than Boyd and also allow him to run routes over the middle more.
Bengals Wire also mentions Burrow's enthusiasm and, again, mentions the ability to put different players in different positions. That excites me because, with so many weapons that we can put all over the field, it makes it very difficult for coordinators to make game plans against us and difficult to call defenses.
That's what I love about Burrow being healthy enough to be under center because it brings the run game more into the mix and changes how the defenses will have to play us in the box and in pass rush because he won't be a set figure that they can just tee-off towards at the snap. I'm not saying that Burrow will get out of the pocket much and be elusive, but it does make a difference.
Chase can also line up in the slot more, as can Burton and the other tight ends, and it just makes us very dangerous in how many different things we can do, which the article ends summing up my whole reason for this post and why I'm so excited:
Health is always important, but we should have a big year ahead as long as we're not unlucky with injuries, which we should be able to survive any injuries outside of Burrow and to our offensive line.
It's going to be a hell of a year!
WHO-DEY!
That's great. Now I wish they would shut up about what they are planning on doing and let the other teams wonder.
(07-04-2024, 06:23 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Two articles I rolled across a few minutes ago detail how different our offense will look under Pitcher and how we'll utilize so many different weapons.
We've already pointed out how Burrow will be under center more now that he's healthier, and that, coupled with how many different looks that we can give teams, make our offense a very dangerous squad.
But then it lists how Burrow's excited about all the different things that our offense will be able to do, and how we'll use the tight ends more. It says that Gesicki will play in the slot more, which has me excited because he ran his 40 slightly faster than Boyd, who played from the slot, and he's 4 inches taller than Boyd. That size difference will make Burrow be able to see him better than Boyd and also allow him to run routes over the middle more.
Bengals Wire also mentions Burrow's enthusiasm and, again, mentions the ability to put different players in different positions. That excites me because, with so many weapons that we can put all over the field, it makes it very difficult for coordinators to make game plans against us and difficult to call defenses.
That's what I love about Burrow being healthy enough to be under center because it brings the run game more into the mix and changes how the defenses will have to play us in the box and in pass rush because he won't be a set figure that they can just tee-off towards at the snap. I'm not saying that Burrow will get out of the pocket much and be elusive, but it does make a difference.
Chase can also line up in the slot more, as can Burton and the other tight ends, and it just makes us very dangerous in how many different things we can do, which the article ends summing up my whole reason for this post and why I'm so excited:
Health is always important, but we should have a big year ahead as long as we're not unlucky with injuries, which we should be able to survive any injuries outside of Burrow and to our offensive line.
It's going to be a hell of a year!
WHO-DEY!
How can that be? Everyone knows that Joe wants to line up in shotgun with 3WR and just chuck it all day.
Which I am sure that the Bengals will still do a good bit of just that, but now they will also present the offense a bit differently from opponent to opponent.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(07-08-2024, 11:56 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: How can that be? Everyone knows that Joe wants to line up in shotgun with 3WR and just chuck it all day.
Which I am sure that the Bengals will still do a good bit of just that, but now they will also present the offense a bit differently from opponent to opponent.
I am not close to an OL expert, but you and others have made observations in the past. How do you see or OL in 2024? Is Volson as bad as many believe in this forum?
I would love to hear predictions from you and other OL gurus in the forum.
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
(07-08-2024, 12:19 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am not close to an OL expert, but you and others have made observations in the past. How do you see or OL in 2024? Is Volson as bad as many believe in this forum?
I would love to hear predictions from you and other OL gurus in the forum.
The interior 3 should operate as a well oiled machine, as this is their 3rd year together. Volson, whose shown as many really nice plays as he has busted plays, should really feel comfortable and relaxed with the continuity of playing with the man on his right for a 3rd season and going into his 2nd year with Orlando Brown Jr. on his left. Having Trent Brown over on the right side should allow for running lanes on either side of the line. I'm quietly excited for the OL this season, especially if Mims has a good training camp and can get plenty of 6th man reps. (I would like to see the unbalanced line, to assert dominance in some games)
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
The OL is fine, especially if we do stuff that lets them attack more and block down. The variations they are talking about should stop defenses from just teeing off.
Not sure I'm pleased with Burrow being under center more. Why?
Because a shotgun snap travels way faster than a backpedaling QB, thus giving the QB more time to throw.
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