Daily observations from camp

[SunsetBengal]

(08-16-2024, 02:03 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I wouldn't say that quite yet. Mims' pec injury does not seem to be that big of a deal, and T Brown simply had tightness in his back. He can stretch that out. We still have Ford, so we still have 1,2 and 3 tackles on track to be good by game 1.

Lol yeah, sure he can.  Back issues don't just "go away" with a little rest and stretching, it's even worse when you're huge and out of shape like Brown is. Weather Mims heals up in time for week one is not the point. The point was that he wasn't supposed to be thrown in as a day 1 starter, and now that he's injured, attempting to play while that pec is still healing may cause it to linger and hamper him later this year.

Face the reality, the Bengals need another "serviceable" RT, if not one capable of playing a short to medium stretch of games. Once again, the Bengals inability to successfully draft and develop at the OL position comes back to bite them, as there is essentially nothing on the bench.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-16-2024, 02:14 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lol yeah, sure he can.  Back issues don't just "go away" with a little rest and stretching, it's even worse when you're huge and out of shape like Brown is. Weather Mims heals up in time for week one is not the point. The point was that he wasn't supposed to be thrown in as a day 1 starter, and now that he's injured, attempting to play while that pec is still healing may cause it to linger and hamper him later this year.

Face the reality, the Bengals need another "serviceable" RT, if not one capable of playing a short to medium stretch of games. Once again, the Bengals inability to successfully draft and develop at the OL position comes back to bite them, as there is essentially nothing on the bench.

You know about back issues more than most Sunset. This is a bit concerning even if I think Mims will be ready to go by the opener. With the 
Chris Evans injury (out for the season now) and Trent Brown's tightened back we need a RB and a RT when cuts happen. Cochran can play RT
but he had a bad penalty in the last preseason game and we all know Carman can only play LT when he is mentally up to it.

Cody Ford is serviceable but I think we can do better. 

BTW, it is whether, not weather lol

[*ochocincos*]

(08-16-2024, 01:41 PM)Whatever Wrote: The RB3 won't have increased ST's snaps because the RB3 and RB4 were on the field at the same time most of the time.  For example, Williams was the Up man on Evans returns.  He can't play two positions.

If McLachlan is showing potential and is too good to ship to the PS, then you cut Hudson and try to get him to the PS(where he's spent most of his career).  You don't go short at a position where guys get banged up and winded all the time.  Guys on the street don't get you through a game when two of your backs got hurt and the last man standing is dying of exhaustion.  Then people whine about why we threw it on 3rd and 1 instead of just handing it off.  And it's especially bad for an 11 base team to keep 5 TE's 

Ahh. I never am able to see who all is out there on ST because the camera is usually too far back other than the returner.

More than likely the Bengals will keep 4 RBs like they have every year.
I just don't personally see much value in the 4th RB, but I know some (many?) don't agree with that.


I don't like the idea of putting Hudson on PS.
Yea, he's been mostly on the PS in previous years, but he showed last year he deserves to be on a 53 somewhere. And I want him on the Bengals 53.

It was a head scratcher to me to draft 2 TEs after signing 3 guys in FA. I would have looked for a RB where McLachlan was selected.
I had Vidal or Gore Jr. targeted for Rd 6, but Vidal didn't quite make it to Bengals that round and Gore went undrafted.
I thought Gore Jr. was pretty dynamic though, and I'm glad he's getting a chance with the Bills right now.
I don't dislike McLachlan as a prospect though, and I hope he can show some receiving and blocking chops in these last couple preseason games.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-16-2024, 02:25 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Ahh. I never am able to see who all is out there on ST because the camera is usually too far back other than the returner.

More than likely the Bengals will keep 4 RBs like they have every year.
I just don't personally see much value in the 4th RB, but I know some (many?) don't agree with that.


I don't like the idea of putting Hudson on PS.
Yea, he's been mostly on the PS in previous years, but he showed last year he deserves to be on a 53 somewhere. And I want him on the Bengals 53.

It was a head scratcher to me to draft 2 TEs after signing 3 guys in FA. I would have looked for a RB where McLachlan was selected.
I had Vidal or Gore Jr. targeted for Rd 6, but Vidal didn't quite make it to Bengals that round and Gore went undrafted.
I thought Gore Jr. was pretty dynamic though, and I'm glad he's getting a chance with the Bills right now.
I don't dislike McLachlan as a prospect though, and I hope he can show some receiving and blocking chops in these last couple preseason games.

Hudson is a good player and he shown it again in the Bucs game. Hope we can stash McLachlan or All or both on the PS now.

Actually like our TE room now which is a wild thing to say, Gesicki and Sample will make the roster for sure.

Just gave the update on Evans, he is out for the year. We need to add at least 1 RB and after cuts there should be a lot of good ones 
available. Hopefully this is a blessing in disguise. Most of us wanted to cut Evans anyways.

[Luvnit2]

(08-16-2024, 02:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Hudson is a good player and he shown it again in the Bucs game. Hope we can stash McLachlan or All or both on the PS now.

Actually like our TE room now which is a wild thing to say, Gesicki and Sample will make the roster for sure.

Just gave the update on Evans, he is out for the year. We need to add at least 1 RB and after cuts there should be a lot of good ones 
available. Hopefully this is a blessing in disguise. Most of us wanted to cut Evans anyways.

Kareem Hunt please, he is 29, great 3rd down back and is a beast on short yardage and on goal line.

He can be had for 1.3 to 1.5 million. Low risk and high reward.

[jj22]

Jenkins was on crutches after practice too and thus our DT depth is washed. Need DT bad now.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-16-2024, 02:20 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You know about back issues more than most Sunset. This is a bit concerning even if I think Mims will be ready to go by the opener. With the 
Chris Evans injury (out for the season now) and Trent Brown's tightened back we need a RB and a RT when cuts happen. Cochran can play RT
but he had a bad penalty in the last preseason game and we all know Carman can only play LT when he is mentally up to it.

Cody Ford is serviceable but I think we can do better. 

BTW, it is whether, not weather lol

Stupid auto correct...   

[*ochocincos*]

(08-16-2024, 02:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Hudson is a good player and he shown it again in the Bucs game. Hope we can stash McLachlan or All or both on the PS now.

Actually like our TE room now which is a wild thing to say, Gesicki and Sample will make the roster for sure.

Just gave the update on Evans, he is out for the year. We need to add at least 1 RB and after cuts there should be a lot of good ones 
available. Hopefully this is a blessing in disguise. Most of us wanted to cut Evans anyways.

FWIW, Bengals do have more than 3 RBs on the roster other than Evans.

Elijah Collins, Noah Cain

Cain is a hoss from LSU who was used in a rotational role.
Collins more of a traditional RB size. Some thought he was going to be a starter in college after hitting up >1000 yards from scrimmage in 2019, but he never played like that again after that due to various reasons.
Both are older guys and don't really offer much upside at all other than situational/depth roles though.
If Moss is ever out, the rest of the guys haven't shown enough to give confidence the run game wouldn't fall off a cliff.

I think what makes the most sense if having 4 RBs is having Cain or Collins as RB4 with a focus on ST. Then if someone gets injured during the season, pick up a vet off the street to backfill if/when needed.

[XenoMorph]

(08-16-2024, 02:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Kareem Hunt please, he is 29, great 3rd down back and is a beast on short yardage and on goal line.

He can be had for 1.3 to 1.5 million. Low risk and high reward.

has to be a reason hes still available can he pass a pyshical?

[jj22]

(08-16-2024, 02:45 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: has to be a reason hes still available can he pass a pyshical?

His has a shaky background. 

[Whatever]

(08-16-2024, 02:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Hudson is a good player and he shown it again in the Bucs game. Hope we can stash McLachlan or All or both on the PS now.

Actually like our TE room now which is a wild thing to say, Gesicki and Sample will make the roster for sure.

Just gave the update on Evans, he is out for the year. We need to add at least 1 RB and after cuts there should be a lot of good ones 
available. Hopefully this is a blessing in disguise. Most of us wanted to cut Evans anyways.

Uhhmmm...he had a pretty huge drop before the half.

Good teams are going to cut guys that can contribute for other teams.  That's just life.  Hudson is basically a poor man's Gesicki, and with his age and contract status, if it's close between him and McLachlan, he should be the one they gamble on getting to the PS.

[Luvnit2]

(08-16-2024, 02:45 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: has to be a reason hes still available can he pass a pyshical?

He did not sign again with Cleveland until training camp last year. My guess is he resting his body (from rigors of camp) and will sign with a team in final week of preseason.

As for his past, he has been a great locker room guy for the Browns.

[Luvnit2]

(08-16-2024, 03:09 PM)Whatever Wrote: Uhhmmm...he had a pretty huge drop before the half.

Good teams are going to cut guys that can contribute for other teams.  That's just life.  Hudson is basically a poor man's Gesicki, and with his age and contract status, if it's close between him and McLachlan, he should be the one they gamble on getting to the PS.

I thought teams can keep 3 NFL vets (untouchable) on the practice squad.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-16-2024, 02:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Kareem Hunt please, he is 29, great 3rd down back and is a beast on short yardage and on goal line.

He can be had for 1.3 to 1.5 million. Low risk and high reward.

Yes please, hopefully his off the field problems are over, always liked Hunt and would rather him be on our team than the Stains again.

(08-16-2024, 02:36 PM)jj22 Wrote: Jenkins was on crutches after practice too and thus our DT depth is washed. Need DT bad now.

Damn, both our rookies banged up before we can see them do any good.

(08-16-2024, 02:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Stupid auto correct...   

Ahhh, been doing that to you for a while now lol

(08-16-2024, 02:41 PM)ochocincos Wrote: FWIW, Bengals do have more than 3 RBs on the roster other than Evans.

Elijah Collins, Noah Cain

Cain is a hoss from LSU who was used in a rotational role.
Collins more of a traditional RB size. Some thought he was going to be a starter in college after hitting up >1000 yards from scrimmage in 2019, but he never played like that again after that due to various reasons.
Both are older guys and don't really offer much upside at all other than situational/depth roles though.
If Moss is ever out, the rest of the guys haven't shown enough to give confidence the run game wouldn't fall off a cliff.

I think what makes the most sense if having 4 RBs is having Cain or Collins as RB4 with a focus on ST. Then if someone gets injured during the season, pick up a vet off the street to backfill if/when needed.

I liked what I saw from Elijah Collins, haven't seen anything from Noah Cain yet. Still, could use an upgrade at RB3 and there should be 
plenty of good ones available after cuts.

(08-16-2024, 02:45 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: has to be a reason hes still available can he pass a pyshical?

(08-16-2024, 03:09 PM)Whatever Wrote: Uhhmmm...he had a pretty huge drop before the half.

Good teams are going to cut guys that can contribute for other teams.  That's just life.  Hudson is basically a poor man's Gesicki, and with his age and contract status, if it's close between him and McLachlan, he should be the one they gamble on getting to the PS.

Must of missed the Hudson drop. The middle of that preseason game was pretty meh.

(08-16-2024, 03:10 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: He did not sign again with Cleveland until training camp last year. My guess is he resting his body (from rigors of camp) and will sign with a team in final week of preseason.

As for his past, he has been a great locker room guy for the Browns.

Makes me feel much better about our chances at grabbing Kareem Hunt if he is a much better man. We usually stay away from guys 
with off the field problems under Zac.

[Bengalbug]

(08-16-2024, 02:14 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lol yeah, sure he can.  Back issues don't just "go away" with a little rest and stretching, it's even worse when you're huge and out of shape like Brown is. Weather Mims heals up in time for week one is not the point. The point was that he wasn't supposed to be thrown in as a day 1 starter, and now that he's injured, attempting to play while that pec is still healing may cause it to linger and hamper him later this year.

Face the reality, the Bengals need another "serviceable" RT, if not one capable of playing a short to medium stretch of games. Once again, the Bengals inability to successfully draft and develop at the OL position comes back to bite them, as there is essentially nothing on the bench.

Our 3rd string RT is probably not that much worse than other teams 3rd string RT. Just bad timing for injuries. Still have 3 weeks, I bet they will be ok.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-16-2024, 03:29 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Our 3rd string RT is probably not that much worse than other teams 3rd string RT.  Just bad timing for injuries.  Still have 3 weeks, I bet they will be ok.

I bet Mims would be playing if it was the regular season. No point in the Preseason, he has already proven he is decent when called upon IMO.

[phil413]

Someone mentioned gaining Detroit OL depth in exchange for a WR. In another thread I mentioned them for DT depth. Ourlads has Kyle Peko over Brodric Martin, I'd call about Martin and an OL for a WR and a mid to late pick. Maybe if Jones is healthy you get Martin for him. Ideas to kick around, and I still think we can get a solid 3rd RB after cuts. We can't wait on NT anymore though, get one in there now!

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/DET

[Sled21]

(08-16-2024, 02:20 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You know about back issues more than most Sunset. This is a bit concerning even if I think Mims will be ready to go by the opener. With the 
Chris Evans injury (out for the season now) and Trent Brown's tightened back we need a RB and a RT when cuts happen. Cochran can play RT
but he had a bad penalty in the last preseason game and we all know Carman can only play LT when he is mentally up to it.

Cody Ford is serviceable but I think we can do better. 

BTW, it is whether, not weather lol

When it comes to back issues, I'd put my jacked up spine against anyone's. Mulitple Compression fractures and ruptured disks from injuries and Degenerative Disk disease in general. I can wake up with a tight back and not be able to move or even get out of bed, and then be out playing golf the next day. If it's just tightness like reported, it's no big deal. If it's more than what is reported, then it might be an issue. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-16-2024, 03:45 PM)Sled21 Wrote: When it comes to back issues, I'd put my jacked up spine against anyone's. Mulitple Compression fractures and ruptured disks from injuries and Degenerative Disk disease in general. I can wake up with a tight back and not be able to move or even get out of bed, and then be out playing golf the next day. If it's just tightness like reported, it's no big deal. If it's more than what is reported, then it might be an issue. 

Sorry to hear that, you are probably right. Hope it is just tightness as reported with Trent Brown.

We do need a DT and a RB after the new Kris Jenkins and Chris Evans news.

[Sled21]

(08-16-2024, 03:48 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sorry to hear that, you are probably right. Hope it is just tightness as reported with Trent Brown.

We do need a DT and a RB after the new Kris Jenkins and Chris Evans news.

Yes, and don't get me wrong, I'm not against bringing in another RT, I just don't see it as a crisis right now with Brown, Mims and Ford. I suspect all three will be good to go.