Bengals out-coached in openers

[Sled21]

(09-09-2024, 09:58 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: his teams never look ready to play....  they dont seem to take preseason seriously

Hate to butt into this coach bashfest, but we did not lose because of coaching. We lost because Gesicki dropped the ball in the end zone, Hudson fumbled going into the end zone, and poor tackling. That's fourteen points that should have been on the board if the players held onto the ball. 3 or 4 turnovers a game is not a recipe for success. But that's on players, not coaches.

[THE PISTONS]

(09-09-2024, 10:04 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Hate to butt into this coach bashfest, but we did not lose because of coaching. We lost because Gesicki dropped the ball in the end zone, Hudson fumbled going into the end zone, and poor tackling. That's fourteen points that should have been on the board if the players held onto the ball. 3 or 4 turnovers a game is not a recipe for success. But that's on players, not coaches.

Really you can boil any NFL game down to that. If this happened or that. Then add 14 points to one team.

You aren't wrong though. The fumbles. Missed passes, etc. It all adds up.

[casear2727]

(09-09-2024, 10:04 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Hate to butt into this coach bashfest, but we did not lose because of coaching. We lost because Gesicki dropped the ball in the end zone, Hudson fumbled going into the end zone, and poor tackling. That's fourteen points that should have been on the board if the players held onto the ball. 3 or 4 turnovers a game is not a recipe for success. But that's on players, not coaches.

This is coaching:


"The offensive scheme was pathetic.

Burrow had the 3rd least pressure rate in his career yet averaged 5 yards per attempt?
Backs averaged 4.9 yards per touch but rarely got the ball.


The defensive game plan was just as bad.

The entire world knew that NE had to run the ball to have any chance to win the game, yet they still rushed for 170 yards.
I could catch a slant for a 1st down vs that defense."


Whoever said that knows ball.

[Sled21]

(09-09-2024, 10:07 AM)casear2727 Wrote: This is coaching:


"The offensive scheme was pathetic.

Burrow had the 3rd least pressure rate in his career yet averaged 5 yards per attempt?
Backs averaged 4.9 yards per touch but rarely got the ball.


The defensive game plan was just as bad.

The entire world knew that NE had to run the ball to have any chance to win the game, yet they still rushed for 170 yards.
I could catch a slant for a 1st down vs that defense."


Whoever said that knows ball.

Let's not gloss.over the 3rd least pressure rate. The only good thing I saw in the game was the Oline.

[HarleyDog]

(09-09-2024, 10:04 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Hate to butt into this coach bashfest, but we did not lose because of coaching. We lost because Gesicki dropped the ball in the end zone, Hudson fumbled going into the end zone, and poor tackling. That's fourteen points that should have been on the board if the players held onto the ball. 3 or 4 turnovers a game is not a recipe for success. But that's on players, not coaches.

We were 7.5pt favorites going into this game. We can also argue that the team was ill-prepared. Higgins is out with a fake injury, Chase's contract disruption, and whatever else may have contributed to this team being unprepared. Bottom line, we suck right now. I was shocked by the horrible play-calling yesterday. Our offensive game plan was stale and lacked any creativity. KC is going to embarrass the crap out of us next week if this team doesn't fix what's broken. I doubt a week will get it done.

Our defense was sloppy and the tackling was bad. Our DL got pushed around like rag dolls.

[Sled21]

(09-09-2024, 10:41 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: We were 7.5pt favorites going into this game. We can also argue that the team was ill-prepared. Higgins is out with a fake injury, Chase's contract disruption, and whatever else may have contributed to this team being unprepared. Bottom line, we suck right now. I was shocked by the horrible play-calling yesterday. Our offensive game plan was stale and lacked any creativity. KC is going to embarrass the crap out of us next week if this team doesn't fix what's broken. I doubt a week will get it done.

Our defense was sloppy and the tackling was bad. Our DL got pushed around like rag dolls.

I kind of thought maybe Tee was announcing a hammy in a ploy with Chase, but since he did not play I don't think that's the case anymore. Higgins needs a 1000 yard season to get that deal he seeks, here or elsewhere. He really cannot afford to sit out games for no reason.

[PCB Bengal Fan]

(09-09-2024, 10:04 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Hate to butt into this coach bashfest, but we did not lose because of coaching. We lost because Gesicki dropped the ball in the end zone, Hudson fumbled going into the end zone, and poor tackling. That's fourteen points that should have been on the board if the players held onto the ball. 3 or 4 turnovers a game is not a recipe for success. But that's on players, not coaches.

The fumble was 1 play after the drop, how the f!ck does that translate into 14 points lost?

[Ell Prez]

(09-09-2024, 10:04 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Hate to butt into this coach bashfest, but we did not lose because of coaching. We lost because Gesicki dropped the ball in the end zone, Hudson fumbled going into the end zone, and poor tackling. That's fourteen points that should have been on the board if the players held onto the ball. 3 or 4 turnovers a game is not a recipe for success. But that's on players, not coaches.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Hudson fumble came on the same drive as the Geisiki drop? So that would have only been 7 points, not 14? Even still, the game shouldn’t have been this close to the patriots. How will we fare against mid and upper level teams?

[THE PISTONS]

(09-09-2024, 10:41 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: We were 7.5pt favorites going into this game. We can also argue that the team was ill-prepared. Higgins is out with a fake injury, Chase's contract disruption, and whatever else may have contributed to this team being unprepared. Bottom line, we suck right now. I was shocked by the horrible play-calling yesterday. Our offensive game plan was stale and lacked any creativity. KC is going to embarrass the crap out of us next week if this team doesn't fix what's broken. I doubt a week will get it done.

Our defense was sloppy and the tackling was bad. Our DL got pushed around like rag dolls.

That's the bottom line...no matter what the cause, the product on the field and result were bad against a team that should be one of our easier games.

Maybe the Patriots win 10 games this year and surprise people...but I doubt it.

This team relies on stars to win and Chase wasn't a star yesterday. Higgins didn't play. And that's the offense right there.

[XenoMorph]

(09-09-2024, 10:04 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Hate to butt into this coach bashfest, but we did not lose because of coaching. We lost because Gesicki dropped the ball in the end zone, Hudson fumbled going into the end zone, and poor tackling. That's fourteen points that should have been on the board if the players held onto the ball. 3 or 4 turnovers a game is not a recipe for success. But that's on players, not coaches.

the players werent ready to play football speed day one.

Seems coaches could help with that

[HarleyDog]

(09-09-2024, 12:19 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: the players werent ready to play football speed day one.

Seems coaches could help with that

They lacked motivation. Very slow, very sloppy. That team played yesterday like they had better things to do.

I had no desire to listen to the post-game conference. It was going to be nothing short of polished excuses and crediting the Pats for being a good team when they're not a good team. We are a bad team.

[*Nately120*]

I still can't believe we didn't get a Burrow to Chase TD on that final drive and win 17-16 to come out "stinking like a rose" where I know we'd be talking about how an ugly win in week 1 doesn't mean a thing and we're going to march into Burrowhead next week and show the "didn't look all that good themselves in week 1" Chiefs that we still own their media-coddled asses.

Then ZT decided punting was better than letting your franchise savoir and trillion dollar QB make you look like a real HC. Alas, the narrative hath spun upon a dime I say.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

[sonofstat]

(09-09-2024, 12:47 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I still can't believe we didn't get a Burrow to Chase TD on that final drive and win 17-16 to come out "stinking like a rose" where I know we'd be talking about how an ugly win in week 1 doesn't mean a thing and we're going to march into Burrowhead next week and show the "didn't look all that good themselves in week 1" Chiefs that we still own their media-coddled asses.

Then ZT decided punting was better than letting your franchise savoir and trillion dollar QB make you look like a real HC.  Alas, the narrative hath spun upon a dime I say.

Yeah , that decision to not put the game in Burrow's hands i did not understand. 

Given the Pats the ball and asking them to run the time off the clock , when that was what they had been doing all day seemed way too risk averse and cautious... if the defense had been playing lights out then might have understood it more but they sure as hell were not yesterday

[125250]

(09-09-2024, 05:05 PM)sonofstat Wrote: Yeah , that decision to not put the game in Burrow's hands i did not understand. 

Given the Pats the ball and asking them to run the time off the clock , when that was what they had been doing all day seemed way too risk averse and cautious... if the defense had been playing lights out then might have understood it more but they sure as hell were not yesterday

He rarely plays to win the game. He’s always playing not to lose.