Why is our line great pass blockers but poor run blockers

[Bengalfan4life27c]

Burrow had a clean pocket most of the game but yet we got no push in the ground game is it the scheme the playcalling, the players all 3? Nobody on this line run blocks even average.

[Whatever]

(09-09-2024, 11:39 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Burrow had a clean pocket most of the game but yet we got no push in the ground game is it the scheme the playcalling, the players all 3? Nobody on this line run blocks even average.

Uhhh...Moss averaged 4.9 ypc.  What were you watching?

[Frank Booth]

Great pass blockers? Are you serious? lmfao

theyre probably DECENT at best at pass protection.

[kevin]

Great Pass Blockers....now that is an LOL.

[THE PISTONS]

I think they played a team that didn't have a great pass rush. Also, the Bengals only threw about 5 or 6 balls more than 10 yards in the air. Pretty easy to pass block in that scenario.

[SunsetBengal]

(09-09-2024, 11:39 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Burrow had a clean pocket most of the game but yet we got no push in the ground game is it the scheme the playcalling, the players all 3? Nobody on this line run blocks even average.

Yeah, except for that one drive, where they decided to run the ball with some enthusiasm? Moss was eating them up.

[Bengal Billy]

Great pass blockers??

Oh,, NM. Just saw I repeated about 2-3 others' post.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(09-10-2024, 03:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, except for that one drive, where they decided to run the ball with some enthusiasm? Moss was eating them up.

Gives me some hope and also Volson playing better than anybody in this game is a good sign. Volson was bad early last season and our 
run blocking was bad as well early. If we can get some semblance of a running game going and stick with it we shouldn't be in such a 
tough spot.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(09-10-2024, 03:34 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think they played a team that didn't have a great pass rush. Also, the Bengals only threw about 5 or 6 balls more than 10 yards in the air. Pretty easy to pass block in that scenario.

He had an average of 3.5 seconds to throw. That's an eternity compared to what it's been. 

[XsandOs]

Two reasons:
1) Lack of identity, specifically true go-to plays. We run inside zone, power doubles/duos and quick traps - but majority are out of shotgun. We do utilize outside zones and some pulls from behind center, but not often.
2) We are a pass first Team. I know it sounds insane, given that majority of our first down plays are runs.

I don't feel that we are better at pass blocking vs. run blocking. It is more related to scheme.

Our O-Line is not making a living 5 yards passed the line of scrimmage like the O-lines in the 80s. But we are not a power run Team and are not asking our guys to be one.

[Nicomo Cosca]

This is the key to unlocking the running game.

The Bengals run game was successful on 6/7 plays (85.7%) when lining up in 12 personnel with Erick All and Drew Sample including their only touchdown. This is their best personnel grouping and they should embrace it. pic.twitter.com/bPksQ8nygF

— mike (@bengals_sans) September 9, 2024

[Housh]

pass pro you are holding a spot

Run blocking you are moving a grown man out of a spot

Different skill sets

[Joelist]

We both pass blocked and run blocked well. However we also abandoned the run for no reason, were in shotgun WAY too much and Burrow had a terrible day as a QB.

[Dr.Z]

(09-10-2024, 09:32 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Two reasons:
1) Lack of identity, specifically true go-to plays. We run inside zone, power doubles/duos and quick traps - but majority are out of shotgun. We do utilize outside zones and some pulls from behind center, but not often.
2) We are a pass first Team. I know it sounds insane, given that majority of our first down plays are runs.

I don't feel that we are better at pass blocking vs. run blocking. It is more related to scheme.

Our O-Line is not making a living 5 yards passed the line of scrimmage like the O-lines in the 80s. But we are not a power run Team and are not asking our guys to be one.

Good post !

[higgy100]

(09-09-2024, 11:40 AM)Whatever Wrote: Uhhh...Moss averaged 4.9 ypc.  What were you watching?

Yep. People expect every run play to go for 5 yards. Bottom line is ZT does not commit enough to the run game and especially after it gets going.He gets way too cute especially inside the red zone.

[Dr.Z]

(09-10-2024, 10:28 PM)Joelist Wrote: We both pass blocked and run blocked well. However we also abandoned the run for no reason, were in shotgun WAY too much and Burrow had a terrible day as a QB.

Exactly !

* was coming to say pretty much what these two posts said. Both perfectly stated. The line last season wasn’t exactly good, but the way this offense is ran makes an offensive line look worse by nature.

[higgy100]

(09-10-2024, 10:23 PM)Housh Wrote: pass pro you are holding a spot

Run blocking you are moving a grown man out of a spot

Different skill sets

Absolutely. Fundamental skill sets. There's a reason why there are plenty of really really good athletes in both college and in the the NFL at 6'5", 320 lbs. who are strong as hell and can move but are not equally adept at both. 

[Sled21]

I asked this in another thread, but don't remember where. Chase Brown is the 2nd fastest player in the NFL, why are we not tossing him the ball in space and letting him use his speed?

[higgy100]

(09-11-2024, 10:24 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I asked this in another thread, but don't remember where. Chase Brown is the 2nd fastest player in the NFL, why are we not tossing him the ball in space and letting him use his speed?

Can't remember if we even saw it last year when he was running. Just not sure they have either the scheme or the OL to be able to get outside and get out in front and get to the second level. Still need guys to block the edge.

[SunsetBengal]

(09-10-2024, 10:23 PM)Housh Wrote: pass pro you are holding a spot

Run blocking you are moving a grown man out of a spot

Different skill sets

It's more personality traits than anything else. Aggressive natured guys are naturally better run blockers, because they want to show the defender that he can be moved. While some of the pass blocking specialists, i.e. the "finesse" or "technician" types are generally a little more passive and thus less effective in run blocking.