Has ZT become too much of a players coach?

[WeezyBengal]

I am in no way, shape, or form a "blame the coach" guy. I think ZT is a fine head coach and I think the issues with this team are waaaay bigger than head coaching. It's more of a personel issue for me.

That being said, is it time for ZT to stop being such a players coach?

There was an interview with Joe yesterday where Joe was talking about how he needs to be more of a "vocal" leader, hold people accountable, etc. Why shold that fall on the QB? We ask Joe to do enough already. Holding people accountable, being the "vocal leader", etc. should come from the head coach IMO.

I think one of ZT's charms is that he IS a players coach, but maybe he's become a little TOO much of a players coach. Things seem to be getting a bit lax. Maybe it's time to light some fires and not rely on your QB to do it.

[SunsetBengal]

The HC can be a "players coach" and things can still work out just fine, there has to be some balance. By balance, I mean if the HC is going to be the nice guy, then the DC should likely be a hardcore taskmaster and the OC should be cold, calculating and have every trivial detail planned out.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10 hours ago)WeezyBengal Wrote: I am in no way, shape, or form a "blame the coach" guy. I think ZT is a fine head coach and I think the issues with this team are waaaay bigger than head coaching. It's more of a personel issue for me.

That being said, is it time for ZT to stop being such a players coach?

There was an interview with Joe yesterday where Joe was talking about how he needs to be more of a "vocal" leader, hold people accountable, etc. Why shold that fall on the QB? We ask Joe to do enough already. Holding people accountable, being the "vocal leader", etc. should come from the head coach IMO.

I think one of ZT's charms is that he IS a players coach, but maybe he's become a little TOO much of a players coach. Things seem to be getting a bit lax. Maybe it's time to light some fires and not rely on your QB to do it.

I agree with your overall sentiment....but you also need guys in the locker room to echo the coaches' sentiments, and kinda police things internally. I think Joe has been a largely lead by example kinda guy based on what he's said. They likely had a discussion about him being a bit more vocal as well. Think Tom Brady ......

[J24]

No, I think his personality is great for this team and franchise. I would like to see a more physical spring/training camp from him though but I don't think that makes him less of a players coach.

[casear2727]

I dont think Zac becoming a more "in your face" or "rah rah" coach could do much with the lack of talent on the defensive side. He had the offense humming.

He does need to grow a pair and have a serious conversation with the front office regarding Lou and Simmons. IMO. (It will do no good to ask them to do better drafting talent.)

[*ochocincos*]

(10 hours ago)WeezyBengal Wrote: I am in no way, shape, or form a "blame the coach" guy. I think ZT is a fine head coach and I think the issues with this team are waaaay bigger than head coaching. It's more of a personel issue for me.

That being said, is it time for ZT to stop being such a players coach?

There was an interview with Joe yesterday where Joe was talking about how he needs to be more of a "vocal" leader, hold people accountable, etc. Why shold that fall on the QB? We ask Joe to do enough already. Holding people accountable, being the "vocal leader", etc. should come from the head coach IMO.

I think one of ZT's charms is that he IS a players coach, but maybe he's become a little TOO much of a players coach. Things seem to be getting a bit lax. Maybe it's time to light some fires and not rely on your QB to do it.

From my experience being both an individual contributor and manager in my professional career, it does help to have an individual contributor help.
A peer team member can sometimes help drive something that just doesn't hit the same if it comes from a manager/executive alone.

I agree that the coach/manager should also do that though. It shouldn't fall solely on one individual on the team, manager or peer.

[Soonerpeace]

(10 hours ago)WeezyBengal Wrote: I am in no way, shape, or form a "blame the coach" guy. I think ZT is a fine head coach and I think the issues with this team are waaaay bigger than head coaching. It's more of a personel issue for me.

That being said, is it time for ZT to stop being such a players coach?

There was an interview with Joe yesterday where Joe was talking about how he needs to be more of a "vocal" leader, hold people accountable, etc. Why shold that fall on the QB? We ask Joe to do enough already. Holding people accountable, being the "vocal leader", etc. should come from the head coach IMO.

I think one of ZT's charms is that he IS a players coach, but maybe he's become a little TOO much of a players coach. Things seem to be getting a bit lax. Maybe it's time to light some fires and not rely on your QB to do it.

I think both need to if there are issues.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

This is Joe's team honestly. Nothing wrong with him taking more control and nothing wrong with Zac and what he has done lately.

We need to not be so lax in Training Camp and Preseason sure seems like the problem to me and why we start so slow. Zac being a
player's coach is not a bad thing. It is just the timing needs to be more urgent early in the season in getting wins. It is urgent now and
I expect us to go on a run soon, it is time.

But Joe Burrow taking more of a Tom Brady role should only help.

[puddycat]

I dunno if being a player's coach has anything to do with anything but someone in the building has to set the standard. "Aw, shucks, we're going to work hard to be better" doesn't cut it.

Three examples stand out. 1) Who is calling the offensive plays? The lack of clear direction is obvious when the teams dithers their way up to the line, Burrow constantly changes plays when there, and then we take delay of game penalties after timeouts. 2) Someone needs to have a discussion with Joe Burrow that playing more from under center may be better for the team even if it isn't what he would prefer. It clearly need to be the OC and or head coach. Joe isn't dumb, but he seems to learn only by his own trial and error, and not because a coach says "too bad, that's the way it's going to be". 3) The team often looks like it's mailing it in. They are not playing with urgency. Worse yet, they look like they are playing frustrated; they have energy but no clear direction. That's on coaching.

[hoosierbengal]

(5 hours ago)puddycat Wrote: I dunno if being a player's coach has anything to do with anything but someone in the building has to set the standard.  "Aw, shucks, we're going to work hard to be better" doesn't cut it.

Three examples stand out. 1) Who is calling the offensive plays?  The lack of clear direction is obvious when the teams dithers their way up to the line, Burrow constantly changes plays when there, and then we take delay of game penalties after timeouts.  2) Someone needs to have a discussion with Joe Burrow that playing more from under center may be better for the team even if it isn't what he would prefer.  It clearly need to be the OC and or head coach.  Joe isn't dumb, but he seems to learn only by his own trial and error, and not because a coach says "too bad, that's the way it's going to be".  3) The team often looks like it's mailing it in.  They are not playing with urgency.  Worse yet, they look like they are playing frustrated; they have energy but no clear direction.  That's on coaching.

I was at the game Monday night. I got all excited when we lined up in the I-formation and Moss went for 15yds on the play before the first Chase TD. I was more excited about that play than the actual touchdown lol

[Mgbrown66]

Players coach is only good if the players police the team.