Does Geno Stone think Free safety means you don’t get involved in any plays unless…

[Frank Booth]

If the bengals had drafted Ed Reed, would they have re-signed him?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-10-2024, 11:07 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: If the bengals had drafted Ed Reed, would they have re-signed him?

Ed Reed in his first 3 years had 21 INT, was a 1st Team All-Pro, and was a Defensive Player of the Year... and wasn't wildly up-and-down in performance year-to-year. Yes, they would have extended him.

[R3stangs]

(10-10-2024, 09:46 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Battle isn't the answer or they would have played him by now. 

This team is asking the safties to do a TON with all the single high they are running. I just don't think Battle is ready and I think Stone is having a really hard time with it himself. 

Stone is the literally worst rated safety in the NFL from last article I read. Not sure how Battle could be worse.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-10-2024, 11:28 AM)R3stangs Wrote: Stone is the literally worst rated safety in the NFL from last article I read. Not sure how Battle could be worse.

I feel like you could replace "Stone" with "Scott" and this comment could have easily been from last year.

[Joelist]

Isolating the issue to Stone is wrong. The whole secondary is back to their problem last year where they sit in their zones and don’t flow to the play. They aren’t reacting or if they do it is slow.

[SunsetBengal]

(10-10-2024, 12:07 PM)Joelist Wrote: Isolating the issue to Stone is wrong. The whole secondary is back to their problem last year where they sit in their zones and don’t flow to the play. They aren’t reacting or if they do it is slow.

While Stone isn't the only issue with the secondary, it can't be denied that much fuss was made over his INT to snaps played ratio. The fact that Duke and Lou took a look at him and though he was a diamond, only to turn out to be CZ, tells us much about their talent evaluation skills..

[Lucius Cincinnatus]

This is not surprising to anybody that has actually followed Geno Stone. He was a practice squad/back-of the roster guy who only saw significant snaps because two of the Ravens safeties got hurt last year. If you watch his interceptions last year, a couple of them were good plays, but the majority of them were terrible throws by the QB that he was standing there for.

The folks that clearly had never watched him play several seasons saw 7 INT and assumed he was good. INTs rarely carry over and he is showing who he has shown to be for the majority of his career. Practice squad/back of the roster depth guy that can play well in a defined, niche role. Not your "best" safety.

And the people that claimed that adding Geno Stone was going to improve the run defense...People just talk out of their as* with nothing but blind optimism that is not backed in reality. 

[SunsetBengal]

(10-10-2024, 12:17 PM)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: This is not surprising to anybody that has actually followed Geno Stone. He was a practice squad/back-of the roster guy who only saw significant snaps because two of the Ravens safeties got hurt last year. If you watch his interceptions last year, a couple of them were good plays, but the majority of them were terrible throws by the QB that he was standing there for.

The folks that clearly had never watched him play several seasons saw 7 INT and assumed he was good. INTs rarely carry over and he is showing who he has shown to be for the majority of his career. Practice squad/back of the roster depth guy that can play well in a defined, niche role. Not your "best" safety.

And the people that claimed that adding Geno Stone was going to improve the run defense...People just talk out of their as* with nothing but blind optimism that is not backed in reality. 

I don't really remember many claiming that Stone would help the run defense, I remember folks being excited in thinking that he'd produce several INTs. Now I do seem to remember optimism for the run defense to improve from Vonn Bell coming back to the team.

[J24]

(10-10-2024, 10:43 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: You guys are blaming everything on Bates, but i'd argue the loss of Reader and the decline of Hubbard are contributing to it just as much. When you can't stop the run with a light box and have to continually play single high safety, you are going to have issues.

Yep; losing Reader is also a part of the decline!

(10-10-2024, 11:00 AM)Synric Wrote: Bengals ran heavy cover 1 and cover 3 even with DJ Reader. They have been top 5 in cover 1 over the last 4 or 5 years now. Which made letting Jessie Bates walk such a weird move. 

It never made sense to get rid of Bates!

[J24]

Stone was surrounded by all pro players last season like Roquan Smith, Kyle Hamilton,Marcus Williams, and Madubuike. His job was a lot easier then than it is now.

[Lucius Cincinnatus]

(10-10-2024, 12:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't really remember many claiming that Stone would help the run defense, I remember folks being excited in thinking that he'd produce several INTs. Now I do seem to remember optimism for the run defense to improve from Vonn Bell coming back to the team.

The argument, primarily peddled by "Nate" was that with veteran safeties, the communication would be better and have a positive impact on the run game. I encourage youu to go back to any pre-season thread discussing the run defense. 

[SunsetBengal]

(10-10-2024, 04:12 PM)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: The argument, primarily peddled by "Nate" was that with veteran safeties, the communication would be better and have a positive impact on the run game. I encourage youu to go back to any pre-season thread discussing the run defense. 

He wasn't entirely wrong by taking that stance, even coaches were quoted as claiming that the return of Vonn Bell should clear up many of the communication errors that were persistent in 2023.

[Sled21]

(10-06-2024, 06:06 PM)Housh Wrote: It’s to miss tackles?


When do you EVER see Geno Stone near a play? Like close enough to where he could’ve made a play?


NEVER

He had one of these against Baltimore as well, but I don't think a clip is anywhere yet. Not a big fan of his, but you asked....

[Lucius Cincinnatus]

(10-10-2024, 04:16 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He wasn't entirely wrong by taking that stance, even coaches were quoted as claiming that the return of Vonn Bell should clear up many of the communication errors that were persistent in 2023.

I'm not sure how he "isn't entirely wrong" when our run defense is currently worse than it was last year. So far, he and the many others that had that opinion are entirely wrong lol. 

If you take coach speech and what players say as gospel, then every unit looks great in training camp, every player has improved over the offseason, etc. etc. Regurgitating coach speak does not make you right, especially when the current situation is blatantly clear. 

Thinking the run defense would get better by losing Reader and adding Geno Stone and Von Bell was a laughable argument and it shows. 

[SunsetBengal]

(10-10-2024, 05:23 PM)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: I'm not sure how he "isn't entirely wrong" when our run defense is currently worse than it was last year. So far, he and the many others that had that opinion are entirely wrong lol. 

If you take coach speech and what players say as gospel, then every unit looks great in training camp, every player has improved over the offseason, etc. etc. Regurgitating coach speak does not make you right, especially when the current situation is blatantly clear. 

Thinking the run defense would get better by losing Reader and adding Geno Stone and Von Bell was a laughable argument and it shows. 

I'm saying that he wasn't entirely wrong for taking that stance because Vonn Bell was a known commodity and the expectation was that his return to the team was going to yield solid rewards. Now if you're just wanting to do a "I was right and the other guy was wrong", enjoy your moment. The member you're targeting on this, as well as many other fans of the team had no idea how things were going to turn out, and neither did you. So, congrats on your "win", I guess.. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-10-2024, 04:12 PM)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: The argument, primarily peddled by "Nate" was that with veteran safeties, the communication would be better and have a positive impact on the run game. I encourage youu to go back to any pre-season thread discussing the run defense. 

Some clarification backstabber....

I also said that we should put Jordan Battle in on running downs and was concerned about Geno Stone's tackling and run stopping but 
yeah, just say I said Geno Stone would help on run Defense and ignore it was Vonn Bell I thought would help...

Bullshit beyond imagination FFS.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-10-2024, 12:47 PM)J24 Wrote: Yep; losing Reader is also a part of the decline!

It never made sense to get rid of Bates!

The Bengals defense was terrible last year and Reader was here.

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Only if you've completely forgotten and glossed over the fact that Bates was bad in 2 of his 4 seasons with Lou, okay in 1, and great in 1 and the great one was in 2020 or 3 years prior to when he needed paid. He was magic in the 2021 playoffs, but he was nondescript in the 2022 playoffs. 

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The Bengals mistakes were not failing to re-sign those guys. It was having a bad DC, drafting poorly, and signing bad FAs to replace them.

[THE PISTONS]

We have a penchant for bringing in bad free agent safeties.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-11-2024, 12:30 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We have a penchant for bringing in bad free agent safeties.

Probably has nothing to do with having only 4 scouts.  

[Sled21]

(10-10-2024, 09:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: The Bengals defense was terrible last year and Reader was here.

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Only if you've completely forgotten and glossed over the fact that Bates was bad in 2 of his 4 seasons with Lou, okay in 1, and great in 1 and the great one was in 2020 or 3 years prior to when he needed paid. He was magic in the 2021 playoffs, but he was nondescript in the 2022 playoffs. 

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The Bengals mistakes were not failing to re-sign those guys. It was having a bad DC, drafting poorly, and signing bad FAs to replace them.

Yep, I posted the other day threads from where Jesse was #1 in the league in missed tackles. People forget his struggles. He's a good safety, but not worth what he was asking. If he was "Playoff Jesse" all the time, then yeah, but too often he was Bad Andy