Seasons not over, but it's gone.

[jj22]

(10-07-2024, 10:46 AM)Hammer Wrote: Not blaming the loss on Burrow but how can you use these stats to prove he was clutch? Where’s the stats for his performance in clutch moments of yesterdays game?
I think it’s not just what you do in a game that makes you clutch, but when you do it.

Point made. And they know it....

[jj22]

(10-07-2024, 01:19 AM)casear2727 Wrote: The absolute lack of understanding is comical, even for you.  The offense had almost 500 yards and 38 points.  5 TDs.  Special teams botched those extra 3 points.

You and Essex are battling for the title, lowest IQ poster, on this site.  Good luck with that competition.

I don't think you guys understand what "clutch" means.. Or at least what people who are referencing it in this thread mean by it. 

But you guys do. And still can't swallow the tough does of reality being served in plain sight. 

And then you mention IQ!

We all know what clutch means. IQ or no IQ. You know why Phillip Rivers is rarely mentioned amongst the greats of last generation? You want to know why Eli is headed to the Hall of Fame? 

Essex may be among the astute few who can see an issue in advance if you say so. You would know.

[Frank Booth]

if Joe burrow isn’t clutch, neither is Josh Allen. We already know Lamar is a playoff choker, this is obvious.

Basically everyone not named Mahomes is currently a choke artist. Purdy too last year. Goff as well

[casear2727]

(10-07-2024, 12:52 PM)jj22 Wrote: I don't think you guys understand what "clutch" means.. Or at least what people who are referencing it in this thread mean by it. 

But you guys do. And still can't swallow the tough does of reality being served in plain sight. 

And then you mention IQ!

We all know what clutch means. IQ or no IQ. You know why Phillip Rivers is rarely mentioned amongst the greats of last generation? You want to know why Eli is headed to the Hall of Fame? 

Essex may be among the astute few who can see an issue in advance if you say so. You would know.

The lack of knowledge by you two is comical.  Thus the zero level of credibility.  Until your next bad take, have a great day!

[Bengal Billy]

(10-07-2024, 11:58 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: im not putting the chiefs loss on burrow or the offense. so you can rule that one out this year. Its crazy that the offense HAS to be perfect in order for the team to win. No offense is perfect. They really shouldnt get as much criticism as you think. 

Good post I absolutely agree with you. It IS crazy that an offense HAS to be absolute perfect for the team to win. It's incredible. No way that should have to happen. Defense needs to step up somewhat here but not sure they're capable.

[Mickeypoo]

(10-07-2024, 08:45 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Bottom line, after Burrow threw his interception, I think they were hesitant to throw the ball in overtime thinking Money would make that FG and not wanting to risk throwing it down the field. I get that, if the holder doesn't muff it, Money most likely wins that game. Hindsight is 20/20

That = coaching like a scared little b****.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-07-2024, 12:52 PM)jj22 Wrote: I don't think you guys understand what "clutch" means.. Or at least what people who are referencing it in this thread mean by it. 

And I don't think YOU understand that someone can be clutch but still fail in certain clutch situations. There is not a player alive in any sport that is 100% clutch 100% of the time. 

[jj22]

(10-07-2024, 01:37 PM)PhilHos Wrote: And I don't think YOU understand that someone can be clutch but still fail in certain clutch situations. 

and who outside of their fans on a message board would still claim this person was clutch? people remember "certain clutch situations". not completing a pass on 4th and 4 in the 1st quarter down by 7.

the issue with this argument is clutch isn't what is done in the first 3 quarters. it's what is done when the game is on the line. what you call "certain clutch situations". 

agree to disagree, we can use a current clutch moment from Burrow in one of these "certain clutch situations" to quiet the crowd. 3 years ago was 3 years ago. 

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(10-07-2024, 12:18 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: You live in a fairy tale world. But hey, to each their own. I’m glad some people have a glad half full mentality. I can’t do it because I don’t see it.

Nope, I live in reality

[*PhilHos*]

(10-07-2024, 01:59 PM)jj22 Wrote: and who outside of their fans on a message board would still claim this person was clutch? people remember "certain clutch situations". not completing a pass on 4th and 4 in the 1st quarter down by 7.

Pretty much every sports journalist/broadcaster not named Shannon Sharpe.

(10-07-2024, 01:59 PM)jj22 Wrote: the issue with this argument is clutch isn't what is done in the first 3 quarters. it's what is done when the game is on the line. what you call "certain clutch situations". 

Yes, I know. But, you don't seem to realize that players can still be considered clutch if they still weren't able to be clutch in a game or two. Pick a clutch player in ANY sport and I guarantee you there will be games that they lost when they had a chance to be clutch. 

(10-07-2024, 01:59 PM)jj22 Wrote: agree to disagree, we can use a current clutch moment from Burrow in one of these "certain clutch situations" to quiet the crowd. 3 years ago was 3 years ago. 

Don't need to go 3 years ago; just go 2 weeks ago and the Commanders game. Joe was literally clutch on every drive in the 4th QTR where he was 7 of 9 for 103 yards and a TD.

[Frank Booth]

(10-07-2024, 02:24 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Pretty much every sports journalist/broadcaster not named Shannon Sharpe.


Yes, I know. But, you don't seem to realize that players can still be considered clutch if they still weren't able to be clutch in a game or two. Pick a clutch player in ANY sport and I guarantee you there will be games that they lost when they had a chance to be clutch. 


Don't need to go 3 years ago; just go 2 weeks ago and the Commanders game. Joe was literally clutch on every drive in the 4th QTR where he was 7 of 9 for 103 yards and a TD.

yea but they didnt win so thats not clutch

[jj22]

(10-07-2024, 02:24 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Yes, I know. But, you don't seem to realize that players can still be considered clutch if they still weren't able to be clutch in a game or two. Pick a clutch player in ANY sport and I guarantee you there will be games that they lost when they had a chance to be clutch. 

Then maybe people overuse the clutch label. 

There aren't many QB's left that you can say "we left too much time on the clock" with a little over a minute left needing a TD or FG to win it. There were more a generation ago for sure. 

[jj22]

(10-07-2024, 02:26 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: yea but they didnt win so thats not clutch

Isn't winning THE key component in the label? 

If not then what were they clutch with. Getting yards in the 4th? Keeping it close? Almost coming back down 28-13 late in the second half? Clutch in shoulda coulda woulda time? 

[Frank Booth]

(10-07-2024, 02:32 PM)jj22 Wrote: Isn't winning THE key component in the label? 

so if the defense blows it, it's the qb's fault. Got it

and if the qb chokes, but the defense saves the day, the qb isnt not clutch? your logic is good. thats basically your stance

lay off the hot take shows

[*PhilHos*]

(10-07-2024, 02:31 PM)jj22 Wrote: Then maybe people overuse the clutch label. 

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. It's OTHER people misusing the "label" and not you misunderstanding one can be clutch even if they're not clutch 100% of the time. 

[*jason*]

The long snapper, punter, and kicker with a nickname certainly aren't clutch...

[*PhilHos*]

(10-07-2024, 02:32 PM)jj22 Wrote: Isn't winning THE key component in the label? 

If not then what were they clutch with. Getting yards in the 4th? Keeping it close? Almost coming back down 28-13 late in the second half? Clutch in shoulda coulda woulda time? 

So, let's say, we're down by 8 points. Burrow drives down the length of the field going 8 for 8 and gets a TD pass to Jamar Chase. Then converts the 2 point conversion to tie the game up. Opposing team drives down the field and kicks the game winning FG as time expires. According to YOU, Burrow was not clutch. 

I'll say this, you're right about people misusing the "clutch" label but it's not the ones you think it is.

[jj22]

(10-07-2024, 02:35 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: and if the qb chokes, but the defense saves the day, the qb isnt not clutch? your logic is good. thats basically your stance

Is that a trick question? I'd say the defense was was clutch.

Just like I'd say they were yesterday. At the end of the game when we needed stops the most. The D, not the O, not special teams, showed championship moxy in the closing moments. Much like 2021 and 22, a little luck (fumbled snap), a timely stop (needed 56 yard FG made to tie it giving Offense a shot to win it walking off). 

[jj22]

(10-07-2024, 02:38 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. It's OTHER people misusing the "label" and not you misunderstanding one can be clutch even if they're not clutch 100% of the time. 

Mahomes is clutch, Brady was clutch. There are QB's that are 99.9% of the time. Not many in this era, but plenty just an era ago. In this division (Big Ben). Palmer was great but he wasn't clutch (until maybe his final years). Not everyone deserves the label. 

You counting those who are clutch 25 or so % of the time to help your case. So yes, maybe you guys overuse the label. 

[Frank Booth]

(10-07-2024, 02:41 PM)PhilHos Wrote: So, let's say, we're down by 8 points. Burrow drives down the length of the field going 8 for 8 and gets a TD pass to Jamar Chase. Then converts the 2 point conversion to tie the game up. Opposing team drives down the field and kicks the game winning FG as time expires. According to YOU, Burrow was not clutch. 

I'll say this, you're right about people misusing the "clutch" label but it's not the ones you think it is.

I think he's more critical of the bengals kicking a field goal to take a lead late instead of them scoring a touchdown.

which is ridiculous