Lou & Duke are responsible

[Timanky12]

(10-06-2024, 07:24 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: Being responsible for failure and being held accountable for failure are two different things with this organization, for the most part.

The Reds finally learned their lesson and fired Bell. How many years do you accept mediocre?

Sooner or later, you have to move on. Pull the trigger and do something now. It’s not going to get any better.

[Destro]

(10-06-2024, 07:16 PM)Sled21 Wrote: On the ground? That was the predicton

Most predictions were the Bengals would lose, if we should choose which things we say were right or wrong, there's that.

[125250]

(10-06-2024, 06:57 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Wow, we went from people predicting Henry and Jackson would combine for 400 yds on the ground and losing by 30 to losing on a muffed snap in OT, and everyone wants the DC's head. Typical

Thinking like yours is why the Bengals will never win the Super Bowl. It’s ok to lose, it wasn’t as bad as, we thought it would be. Y;u either win or you lose. That’s it. Binary

[TheCincinnatiKid]

(10-06-2024, 06:57 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Wow, we went from people predicting Henry and Jackson would combine for 400 yds on the ground and losing by 30 to losing on a muffed snap in OT, and everyone wants the DC's head. Typical

If Joe Burrow doesn't have a near-perfect 5 TD day, we lose that game far more comfortably. 

We did well 1st half and generally did well containing the run. But Harbaugh said at the half that there was plenty of big play passes opportunities they needed to take some advantage of, and they literally did so on repeat for an entire half of football. We went into the game with the plan to limit them on the ground (good idea), but the second they moved away from that, they just destroyed us through the air instead. It's not some wonderous success that we took away what they're good at, only to get obliterated in the pass game instead.

We had three separate double-digit leads and they all felt incredibly temporary because the defence had zero answer for the Ravens passing attack. The best example of this today, was them screwing up the Kickoff return leading to them starting the drive at their own 8... that same drive they ended up backed up at 1st & 20 (don't think that even became a 3rd down, they picked up the yards no problem)... it took them 5:14 to drive 92 yards, with penalty setbacks as well. 

I'd love for the defence to turn this around... we only need them to be passable for us to be successful, but there have been no signs to suggest they're any good this year.

[C0de_M0nkey]

(10-06-2024, 07:17 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Lou has more say on all defensive players with Duke. As it should be.

We let Jesse Bates walk for financial reasons. That's on Duke not Lou

[casear2727]

(10-06-2024, 07:34 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Close the deal with offense we are 2-3... especially today's game, the Int  by Burrow is difference we are 0-2 having ball to close out game, just go 1-1

Of course you blame the loss on Burrow.  Not surprised by the awful take. Again.

[Tony]

(10-06-2024, 06:13 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Zac has the offense at the top of most categories.  He is fine.

We have the slowest safety room in the NFL and lacking talent on defense.  That is on Duke.

Even with the lack of talent Lou has to be much better.

If we didnt have pathetic ownership, we should see if Vrabel would come asap and dismiss Lou.  We should see if Mike Borgonzi would accept Duke's job and give him a real scouting department.

But we do have lousy ownership so accountability is not required.

Nah, **** that.. This is on Zac

[*Synric*]

I know "hire DC" is hot right now but I'm on the side of spending that money on the personnel. Although it's not like they have a bunch of young players that are system only...

[J24]

(10-06-2024, 07:34 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Close the deal with offense we are 2-3... especially today's game, the Int  by Burrow is difference we are 0-2 having ball to close out game, just go 1-1

Really, you're putting this on a guy who had 5 Tds and not on the unit that gave up 41 points? 

[casear2727]

(10-06-2024, 08:14 PM)Synric Wrote: I know "hire DC" is hot right now but I'm on the side of spending that money on the personnel. Although it's not like they have a bunch of young players that are system only...

Lou has had a few games in spurts, especially the playoffs.  He has never had a legitimately solid defense.   We can do better.  

I also agree that we need to put money into scouting and better players.

[pulses]

(10-06-2024, 06:57 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Wow, we went from people predicting Henry and Jackson would combine for 400 yds on the ground and losing by 30 to losing on a muffed snap in OT, and everyone wants the DC's head. Typical

you give up 141 points in 5 games heads need to ROLL

[casear2727]

(10-06-2024, 08:17 PM)J24 Wrote: Really, you're putting this on a guy who had 5 Tds and not on the unit that gave up 41 points? 

Consider the source.  Imagine being a Bengals fan and hating Burrow?  Zero credibility.

[Soonerpeace]

(10-06-2024, 08:00 PM)C0de_M0nkey Wrote: We let Jesse Bates walk for financial reasons. That's on Duke not Lou

Yes but it’s really not on either one. The organization was running scared and still is with these big numbers and Joe’s contract. The guarantees freak them out. However it is on Lou and Duke for the draft on defense and free agents. Of course the money factors again.

[casear2727]

(10-06-2024, 08:14 PM)Tony Wrote: Nah, **** that.. This is on Zac

I'll stick with my, always better analysis, but you will always rule the hyperbole realm.

[phil413]

I'm called to forgive but the team not having even below average OL depth for the Super Bowl run cost us a ring. Duke had a hand in that as well as a defense that is either exposing Lou as needing his 2021 personel to function either way they both need to go....now.

[THE PISTONS]

Meanwhile, the Steelers have a barely functional offense and still win with their defense.

[Frank Booth]

(10-06-2024, 11:29 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Meanwhile, the Steelers have a barely functional offense and still win with their defense.

thats how it always is with them. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-06-2024, 11:29 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Meanwhile, the Steelers have a barely functional offense and still win with their defense.

They draft defense so well not even Teryl Austin can **** it up.

[007BengalsFan]

(10-06-2024, 11:17 PM)phil413 Wrote: I'm called to forgive but the team not having even below average OL depth for the Super Bowl run cost us a ring.  Duke had a hand in that as well as a defense that is either exposing Lou as needing his 2021 personel to function either way they both need to go....now.

Yes Lou needs more talent like his 2021 personnel had.  Do you believe you can let good players leave from the defense and replace them with lesser quality players and think the defense is somehow going to be as good?

[Brownshoe]

(10-06-2024, 11:38 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They draft defense so well not even Teryl Austin can **** it up.

They have a HC who knows how to scheme. We don't.