Can anybody tell me why?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 01:50 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Playing for a 53 yard FG in overtime isn't the sort of thing you expect when your QB has 5 TDs and a 137 rating and your top WR has nearly 200 yards on the day.  Burrow passing there isn't a guaranteed victory I'll admit, but how anyone could be worried about keeping the ball in his hands in that situation is beyond me. And kickers are making long ass FGs now and McPherson is one of the best BUT still...playing for a 53 yard FG try in OT is the sort of thing you do when your QB is crap or having a shaky day and you are trying to just drag his corpse across the finish line.

Of course, I'm now remembering that the Ravens had the ball first and fumbled so it makes a bit more sense to play for a FG but 53 yards?  Ehh, that's borderline but I will admit it's not as stupid as I thought when I started typing this.

I was at that new Beetlejuice movie with the wife during all this and I was checking my phone and seeing the Bengals that close in OT after the Ravens had the ball I figured it'd be a 95% Bengals victory and about a 5% chance of him missing and it being a tie.  When I checked my phone a bit later and saw the expected score of 41-38 with the Ravens on top I had to wonder what the hell happened. 

Except he threw an interception in the red zone the drive prior......

.....the fumble was the only reason we were still in the game. Otherwise they would have ended it right there. Defense couldn't stop ANYONE.

[*Nately120*]

(10-07-2024, 01:49 PM)Wyche Wrote: This .....plus, WTF are we paying McPherson that extension for if not to win games? 

In all fairness, we're paying Burrow more this year than McPherson will make in what...20+ years?  I get that we're paying McPherson, but we are simultaneously sidestepping the real money maker here. 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 01:49 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You do realize we only lost on that FG because of a bad snap/hold, right?

.....and they were almost in FG range after the fumble....but **** context, amirite?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 01:53 PM)Nately120 Wrote: In all fairness, we're paying Burrow more this year than McPherson will make in what...20+ years?  I get that we're paying McPherson, but we are simultaneously sidestepping the real money maker here. 

He had already choked.....so ......

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(10-07-2024, 01:50 PM)PhilHos Wrote: According to the announcers on TV, the wind was at McPherson's back. 

With all due respect to the announcers that may have been true at field level but I was “at the top of the goalpost level.” Wind in Paycor Stadium swirls like the wind at #12 at Augusta National.

If the snap and hold had been good McPherson would have been successful and we would all be singing a different tune.

[*Nately120*]

(10-07-2024, 01:51 PM)Wyche Wrote: Except he threw an interception in the red zone the drive prior......

I hear ya, but Burrow has thrown an INT once every 86 or so attempts this year so when he's dropping back at this psychological moment I know which way I expect the winds of fate to blow.

His plant leg could have blown up ala Teddy Bridgewater if we tried to pass, too.  Ok, that's not a really fair comparison but damn wasn't that nuts?

(10-07-2024, 01:54 PM)Wyche Wrote: He had already choked.....so ......

Well I mean, I'd agree that Burrow pretty much has to be prime Joe Montana perfect to get a W in a home division game, but that'd fit my narrative of ragging on the organization handcuffing him so I digress.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-07-2024, 01:51 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yup. I just can't imagine not trusting Peyton Manning or Tom Brady to get you closer and just taking the ball out of their hands. Let alone if they were red-hot.

Isn't it commonly accepted as fact around here that Joe is given a couple of plays to choose from and picks one based on the defense? If we accept that as true, then I posit that EVERY play on offense is trusting Burrow and putting the ball in, not only his hands, but his mind as well. Maybe it's not true, or in the case of OT, Joe is only given one play to run, but considering we know that 1 play yesterday in OT was changed by Joe ...

[*ochocincos*]

(10-07-2024, 01:50 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Playing for a 53 yard FG in overtime isn't the sort of thing you expect when your QB has 5 TDs and a 137 rating and your top WR has nearly 200 yards on the day.  Burrow passing there isn't a guaranteed victory I'll admit, but how anyone could be worried about keeping the ball in his hands in that situation is beyond me. And kickers are making long ass FGs now and McPherson is one of the best BUT still...playing for a 53 yard FG try in OT is the sort of thing you do when your QB is crap or having a shaky day and you are trying to just drag his corpse across the finish line.

Of course, I'm now remembering that the Ravens had the ball first and fumbled so it makes a bit more sense to play for a FG but 53 yards?  Ehh, that's borderline but I will admit it's not as stupid as I thought when I started typing this.

I was at that new Beetlejuice movie with the wife during all this and I was checking my phone and seeing the Bengals that close in OT after the Ravens had the ball I figured it'd be a 95% Bengals victory and about a 5% chance of him missing and it being a tie.  When I checked my phone a bit later and saw the expected score of 41-38 with the Ravens on top I had to wonder what the hell happened. 

Burrow threw an INT late in the 4th quarter that could have potentially been a 3-7 point difference.
Bengals were in FG range when the INT was thrown.
They could have either ended up getting a TD to ice the game or forced the Ravens to go the entire length of the field to score a TD vs just needing a FG to tie it up.

Had Burrow not thrown that INT, the Bengals may not have ended up in OT or Taylor may have felt more confident with Burrow throwing the ball in OT after the turnover.

[*Nately120*]

(10-07-2024, 01:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Burrow threw an INT late in the 4th quarter that could have potentially been a 3-7 point difference.
Bengals were in FG range when the INT was thrown.
They could have either ended up getting a TD to ice the game or forced the Ravens to go the entire length of the field to score a TD vs just needing a FG to tie it up.

Had Burrow not thrown that INT, the Bengals may not have ended up in OT or Taylor may have felt more confident with Burrow throwing the ball in OT after the turnover.

Meh that's what is funny.  The same ZT who insisted on playing a shell of Burrow to start last season looks at him going 30 for 39 with 5 TDs and nearly 400 yards and can't get over that 1 INT.  You have to admit that's quite the puzzle.

[Mer]

(10-07-2024, 01:27 PM)TheCincinnatiKid Wrote: We would never have been going for a TD on that drive... short of a big play going all the way. Even if we start the drive more aggressively, the minute we get near the 20 we'd have been running it on every play.

Yes, that is true. But who's to say we don't get another long pass for a touchdown before we reach the 20? Did the team really expect chase to take a lateral pass 60-70 yards?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(10-07-2024, 01:57 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hear ya, but Burrow has thrown an INT once every 86 or so attempts this year so when he's dropping back at this psychological moment I know which way I expect the winds of fate to blow.

His plant leg could have blown up ala Teddy Bridgewater if we tried to pass, too.  Ok, that's not a really fair comparison but damn wasn't that nuts?



Well I mean, I'd agree that Burrow pretty much has to be prime Joe Montana perfect to get a W in a home division game, but that'd fit my narrative of ragging on the organization handcuffing him so I digress.

That was more of a shot at the defense. It's funny that Joe said he needed to play perfect to win. He played all but one play perfect pretty much and they lost. 

What I'm getting at was the logic was fine. It's remedial coaching. If you get into FG range (they did), you mitigate risk. They did that. I don't understand what the commotion is all about here. Simmons ****** up and didn't have his unit ready to go in for a game winning FG....you see anyone blaming him? The blame lies in the FO effing up the defense and the DCs unwillingness to try something different with the personnel he's given. Then it's on Zac for not doing something about that. But this? The FG? Nah .....that was an easy call to me. Just seeing where Dax Hill is gone for the year too....

[*ochocincos*]

(10-07-2024, 02:01 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Meh that's what is funny.  The same ZT who insisted on playing a shell of Burrow to start last season looks at him going 30 for 39 with 5 TDs and nearly 400 yards and can't get over that 1 INT.  You have to admit that's quite the puzzle.

Not to mention it was only his 2nd all season.

Tell me this though...if Bengals drop back to pass and Ravens cause a fumble, an INT, or a sack that pushes them further back, would there be an outrage that they should have done the logical thing and ran the ball?

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(10-07-2024, 01:58 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Isn't it commonly accepted as fact around here that Joe is given a couple of plays to choose from and picks one based on the defense? If we accept that as true, then I posit that EVERY play on offense is trusting Burrow and putting the ball in, not only his hands, but his mind as well. Maybe it's not true, or in the case of OT, Joe is only given one play to run, but considering we know that 1 play yesterday in OT was changed but Joe ...

You can't say that!!!!! 

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(10-07-2024, 02:05 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Not to mention it was only his 2nd all season.

Tell me this though...if Bengals drop back to pass and Ravens cause a fumble, an INT, or a sack that pushes them further back, would there be an outrage that they should have done the logical thing and ran the ball?

I know I would have been pissed about it .....

[Nepa]

(10-07-2024, 01:45 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: My whole issue with the run, run, and run again strategy was the wind.  I was in Paycor Stadium yesterday for the game and the wind was swirling. In fact, Evan McPherson missed quite a few practice field goals in pregame warm-ups. In my opinion, making a 50 yard field goal in a swirling wind was low probability anyway.  If the wind was calm, I would not have been concerned.

The announcers stated that McPherson had been perfect in practice kicks in this particular direction. So, it must have been practice kicks going in the opposite direction that you had seen.  The announcers also said the wind was slight at the time of the kick and going in direction he was kicking. 

It's a painful way to lose a football game. But had the snap and hold been good, I think it would have been a high-percentage kick for McPherson.

[Whatever]

(10-07-2024, 01:49 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You do realize we only lost on that FG because of a bad snap/hold, right?

Maybe.

Money Mac is 49 for 65 from 40+ yards in his career.  That's a little over 75%.  Which is why is was dumb to go ultra conservative for a 50+ yard FG attempt.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-07-2024, 12:52 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Why did we decide lets just kick a 50+ yard FG to try and win it?

We ran three offensive plays after we recovered the fumble at the Ravens 37 and got all the way down to the 35  

We ran all 3 plays from heavy sets. And not a single pass despite JB having an outstanding day!! On the 1st play the Ravens have 9 defenders in the box. Everyone of them crashes to the LOS at the snap. J. Chase has a very soft coverage.

A half second after the snap there's a wiidddddeeeeee open middle of the field. If Chase runs a quick slant and it was a play action fake to Brown it's probably a TD. At a minimum a good gain. Of course JB would have to throw quickly.

I just can't understand why you have Joe Burrow for crying out friggin loud! And the coaches say screw that, put the Lamborghini away, lets get out the Honda civic and just get a couple yards a try a long FG.

And this isn't the first time ZT and Co. have been guilty of this. ML 2.0

I cannot tell you why brother. Should of played aggressive instead of that conservative crap for sure. Chase was in single coverage, no edge 
to this team and it shown on those play calls. Like you said, the Ravens were stacking the box knowing we were only praying for a FG to win.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-07-2024, 02:15 PM)Whatever Wrote: Maybe.

Money Mac is 49 for 65 from 40+ yards in his career.  That's a little over 75%.  Which is why is was dumb to go ultra conservative for a 50+ yard FG attempt.

"A little over 75%" and then you make it sound like it's a bad thing. lol 

Evan was perfect on 50+ FGs until that kick this season and I'm betting had the hold been good, the kick would've been good.

[*Nately120*]

(10-07-2024, 02:05 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Not to mention it was only his 2nd all season.

Tell me this though...if Bengals drop back to pass and Ravens cause a fumble, an INT, or a sack that pushes them further back, would there be an outrage that they should have done the logical thing and ran the ball?

Maybe...I think since the Jeremy Hill fumble in 2015 we've become pretty jaded about the safeness of running the ball though.  

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-07-2024, 02:36 PM)PhilHos Wrote: "A little over 75%" and then you make it sound like it's a bad thing. lol 

Evan was perfect on 50+ FGs until that kick this season and I'm betting had the hold been good, the kick would've been good.

Yeah, I have faith in Evan making that if the hold is good. Still would of liked to of seen some aggressiveness with Chase single covered.