I know a couple posters will be really upset to see this...

[Destro]

Was thinking our O-line was going to be the biggest problem going into the year. Even down a starter, they have been surprising. *knock of wood*

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-09-2024, 03:11 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Outside of a couple penalties, Orlando has been pretty close to outstanding.

Orlando Brown Jr. among OTs over the past two weeks:

? 89.2 pass-blocking grade (1st)
? 76 pass-blocking snaps
? 0 pressures allowed

Third most snaps with 0 pressures allowed ? pic.twitter.com/LyzAGI4sTa

— PFF CIN Bengals (@PFF_Bengals) October 8, 2024

Orlando Brown Jr. is playing the best football of his career.

He went into the lab this off-season and made some changes to help improve his game. Come check out some of the differences in his play that have catalyzed his scorching start to the season.

https://t.co/EnGPsyJGFJ

— mike (@bengals_sans) October 8, 2024

He’s probably been our 3rd best player after Burrow and Chase (debatable between him and Trey). Which is pretty refreshing considering the mess LT has been since Whit left.

This is great to see. Wasn't happy with Orlando's play at all last year. He looks to have really stepped it up this season.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-09-2024, 01:26 PM)jj22 Wrote: Anyway I've combed through these stats to see where 4th quarter / end of game performances are

No need. Here you go.

These QBs are owning the 4th quarter ? pic.twitter.com/vr3AEZDkp2

— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) October 9, 2024

[casear2727]

(10-09-2024, 09:59 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No need. Here you go.

These QBs are owning the 4th quarter ? pic.twitter.com/vr3AEZDkp2

— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) October 9, 2024

[jj22]

Now we talking garbage time stats and not game winning clutch plays. The goal post is forever on the move.

I actually have higher regards for Burrow than y’all associating him with those qb’s suffering rough seasons. That’s quite the company y’all  got him keeping.

But here we are.

And yes the Washington game we supposedly can’t count in the unable to close debate was garbage time stats given Bengals were down 28-13 late in the 3rd and the game was long over. 

Those qb’s stat padding in losses don’t mean a thing. And the stats certainly have nothing to do with being clutch. . 

[spidey]

(10-10-2024, 12:05 AM)jj22 Wrote: Now we talking garbage time stats and not game winning clutch plays. The goal post is forever on the move.

I actually have higher regards for Burrow than y’all associating him with those qb’s suffering rough seasons. That’s quite the company y’all  got him keeping.

But here we are.

And yes the Washington game we supposedly can’t count in the unable to close debate was garbage time stats given Bengals were down 28-13 late in the 3rd and the game was long over. 

Those qb’s stat padding in losses don’t mean a thing. And the stats certainly have nothing to do with being clutch. . 

Doesn't garbage time stats mean we were being blown out in the 4th quarter?  You mentioned Washington already but what other games were we being blown out where Joe was putting up garbage stats?

[jj22]

(10-10-2024, 08:35 AM)spidey Wrote: Doesn't garbage time stats mean we were being blown out in the 4th quarter?  You mentioned Washington already but what other games were we being blown out where Joe was putting up garbage stats?

The other games NE, Balt, KC is where the clutch question comes into play. And why it's come back into discussion. It's the only thing anyone has discussed regarding Burrow this (and the last couple seasons since the SB loss) season. Not 4th quarter yards, not rather he's had good games or not this season. Everything else you are reading in this thread is spin at best, fake news at worst. 

Unable to get in FG range or a TD to win it with multiple opportunities late in games, or even a  first down to close out the game and get the win. That is what we are supposed to be discussing. It's changed now to how many yards a QB throws in the 4th quarter. Which is a weird stat given the records of the teams and much of those yards is due to garbage time stats, playing from behind, and the opposing teams D in prevent mode riding out the win.

I actually am not sure what the point of the stats were trying to show. 

I think of Burrow in the same category of the current top QB's Mahomes, Allen, Lamar etc. That's who I compare him to. Not the Geno Smiths, an aged Stafford, certainly nonclutch Prescott, and Brock Purdy's of the league.

If anything I now know who the true Burrow haters are with who they consider him being amongst. 

[2MinutesHate]

Could you imagine how bad this team would be right now without Burrow? We couldn't get ready for the draft fast enough....
We're so lucky. If only we had an even slightly piss-poor defense, we'd be 4-1.

[jj22]

(10-10-2024, 10:22 AM)2MinutesHate Wrote: Could you imagine how bad this team would be right now without Burrow?  

0-5?

[casear2727]

(10-10-2024, 12:05 AM)jj22 Wrote: Now we talking garbage time stats 

The point differential per Bengals games is 3 points thus far. 

You dont even know what garbage time means, yet you want us to believe that you are some intellectual football savant with your slamming of Burrow?  

Lol, I dont know wether to laugh, or feel sorry for you?

[jj22]

(10-10-2024, 11:05 AM)casear2727 Wrote: The point differential per Bengals games is 3 points thus far. 

yes I know. the number of losses in 1 score games is the smoking gun in all of this. That's where all of this is coming from. How many 1 score games has a Burrow led team lost in his career? This is the issue at hand. Closing. Clutch. 6 shots in the SB to score 3. 7 drives to end the AFCC to get 3. Burrrow's win/loss record isn't what you see from other top 5 qb's. And 1 of the reasons why is this clutch issue.

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-10-2024, 12:05 AM)jj22 Wrote: Now we talking garbage time stats and not game winning clutch plays. The goal post is forever on the move.

I actually have higher regards for Burrow than y’all associating him with those qb’s suffering rough seasons. That’s quite the company y’all  got him keeping.

But here we are.

And yes the Washington game we supposedly can’t count in the unable to close debate was garbage time stats given Bengals were down 28-13 late in the 3rd and the game was long over. 

Those qb’s stat padding in losses don’t mean a thing. And the stats certainly have nothing to do with being clutch. . 

If you're a legitimate dude wanting to talk sports on a forum and not some internet troll that has nothing better to do, you should be embarrassed to have put this out there as a legitimate, intelligent, well thought out sports take.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(10-10-2024, 12:05 AM)jj22 Wrote: Now we talking garbage time stats and not game winning clutch plays. The goal post is forever on the move.

I actually have higher regards for Burrow than y’all associating him with those qb’s suffering rough seasons. That’s quite the company y’all  got him keeping.

But here we are.

And yes the Washington game we supposedly can’t count in the unable to close debate was garbage time stats given Bengals were down 28-13 late in the 3rd and the game was long over. 

Those qb’s stat padding in losses don’t mean a thing. And the stats certainly have nothing to do with being clutch. . 

1. No one is moving any goalposts, save for...

2.

[jj22]

(10-10-2024, 11:24 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: If you're a legitimate dude wanting to talk sports on a forum and not some internet troll that has nothing better to do, you should be embarrassed to have put this out there as a legitimate, intelligent, well thought out sports take.

What was the score of the Washington game at the middle to end of the 3rd quarter? Did you forget? 

Clearly you did. 

That game was long over by the 4th.

And anytime you see a lot of yards in the 4th quarter you are dealing with losing teams and garbage time stats. QB's playing from behind. Opposing defenses sitting on leads in prevent mode.

Talk about intelligent. How do you not know this? That's why you don't see any top 5 QB's in that top 5.

But I get it. Yall have Burrow in with the Geno Smiths of the QB tier so now I understand where all this is coming from. 

I was viewing him as a top 5 QB. I get it. Those posters who have Burrow in that tier are the true Burrow haters. 

[jj22]

(10-10-2024, 11:25 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: 1. No one is moving any goalposts, save for...

2.

I've always and only been talking about being clutch.... The thread speaks for itself. A chart of QB's throwing a bunch of yards playing catch up in the 4th just to get stopped on 4th down late in games and still losing proves nothing. Game winning drives should be the chart provided. It's been 4 years since we've seen those.

What we have seen is fumbles for TD's, Interceptions, 3 and outs.... These aren't clutch endings to games.  The defense has been clutch in the past with timely turnovers and stops at the end of games, now that they are struggling an no longer clutch you are seeing the issue highlighted more. 

[CottonHill]

I love Joe and he's playing great but his fumble and interception late in two separate games have directly led to losses. I also blame a lot of the teams lack of early season urgency on him and Taylor.
He's also doing this without a consistent running game....he will be even better if we can establish that.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-10-2024, 09:28 AM)jj22 Wrote: The other games NE, Balt, KC is where the clutch question comes into play.

No, only the NE calls it into question and even then, the last offensive possession by the Bengals saw 2 dropped passes by Iosivas and Moss, but I'm sure you think it's Burrow's fault.

Against Baltimore, WHILE STILL HOLDING THE LEAD, the Bengals were driving down the field and were in FG range when Burrow throws an INT that most people (except those that are irrationally anti-Burrow) blame Chase more. Then on the last possession in regulation, Burrow is sacked before he could get sacked, then Higgins allowed a pass to sail through his hands. So on 3rd and 17 on the BENGALS 23 yard line, Zac decides to just try to get to OT and runs the ball. Then in OT, Zac pretty much takes the ball out of Burrows hands after the fumble.

Then against the Chiefs, Burrow led the Bengals to the go ahead score on their 2nd to last drive. Then on the last drive a dropped pass by Iosivas and a sack on 3rd down led to that drive ending in a punt. 

So, I'd looooooooooooooooooove to hear you expound on how Burrow or ANY QB could be MORE clutch than that - let alone asserting that what I just said is somehow NOT clutch - when you have receivers dropping passes and OL giving up costly sacks.

[jj22]

We win Chiefs game without the unforced Dalton like fumble TD on a "scramble".

We win Baltimore game without the INT.

What would you like to hear next?

[*PhilHos*]

(10-10-2024, 11:31 AM)jj22 Wrote: What was the score of the Washington game at the middle to end of the 3rd quarter? Did you forget? 

Score was 28-20 midway thru the 3rd and at the end of the 3rd QTR.

(10-10-2024, 11:31 AM)jj22 Wrote: That game was long over by the 4th.

So, you think an 8 point lead is insurmountable? By a team that never punted all game? By a team that ended up scoring 33 points? Ok.

You do realize that had we recovered the onside kick - which I grant is highly improbably - we probably win that game. But I guess not since you thought the game was over in the 3rd QTR when the Bengals were down by a whopping 8 points.

[*PhilHos*]

(10-10-2024, 11:55 AM)jj22 Wrote: We win Chiefs game without the unforced Dalton like fumble TD on a "scramble".

True, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about Burrow being clutch. Burrow made a mistake, and STILL got the Bengals the lead on the next drive. That's the very definition of clutch from those that don't twist the definition to fit their agendas.

(10-10-2024, 11:55 AM)jj22 Wrote: We win Baltimore game without the INT.

Yes, and most people without agendas put the blame on that INT on Chase, not Burrow.