Who do you want added (inc payroll)?

[*ochocincos*]

(10-25-2024, 03:02 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I don’t care much for him either to be honest, but with his salary I feel like he’s GONNA play. No way do we eat his contractespecially if we’re active in free agency, and I highly doubt we find any takers for him unless it’s in a package deal for a big upgrade elsewhere.  sort of like adding Suarez to the Castillo deal years ago. If he can get back to his pre-Reds ways, he brings that switch hitting, contact element somewhere to the batting order. That’s what I’m hoping at least, if he stays.

Yea he'll likely play.
You don't have a $15 mill utility backup player.

Luckily, the Reds have room to play Candelario at 1B or DH while adding another bat for the other spot.
Reds could also use a proven RF.

Alternatively, they could shift Steer back to 1B (where I think he's better at anyway) and get a new LF.

Maybe go get Teoscar Hernandez for LF and Anthony Santander for RF, shift Steer to 1B, and have Candelario spot-start in the INF while acting as DH otherwise?
It may be possible to get Hernandez and Santander for $35-40 mill APY or less combined.
Reds should have the payroll to bring both in.

And if Martinez sticks around, their rotation could be Martinez, Greene, Abbott, Lowder, and then Lodolo or whoever as the 5th starter.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

List of Free Agents from 11-19-2024

CATCHERS

Kyle Higashioka (35 years old, 2.9 WAR)
Travis d'Arnaud (36, 2.5) -- signed 2-year deal with LAA (Nov. 12)
Danny Jansen (30, 2.5)
Gary Sánchez (32, 2.0)
Carson Kelly (30, 1.9)
Yasmani Grandal (36, 1.4)
Austin Hedges (32, 1.4) -- signed 1-year deal with CLE (Nov. 6)
Elias Díaz (34, 0.5)
Jacob Stallings (35, 0.5)
James McCann (35, 0.5)
Yan Gomes (37, -0.1)
Tucker Barnhart (34, -0.2)
Luke Maile (34, -0.2)
Curt Casali (36, -0.7)
Omar Narváez (33, -0.9)
Martín Maldonado (38, -2.3)
Max Stassi (34, N/A)

FIRST BASEMEN

Christian Walker (34 years old, 6.8 WAR) -- declined qualifying offer
Pete Alonso (30, 5.0) -- declined qualifying offer
Carlos Santana (39, 4.5)
Paul Goldschmidt (37, 4.4)
Justin Turner (40, 2.2)
Donovan Solano (37, 2.0)
Joey Gallo (31, 0.6)
Anthony Rizzo (35, 0.5)
Ty France (30, 0.3)
Josh Bell (32, 0.2)
Yuli Gurriel (41, -0.5)
Ji Man Choi (34, -0.5)
Rowdy Tellez (30, -1.2)

SECOND BASEMEN

Gleyber Torres (28 years old, 5.3 WAR)
Kyle Farmer (34, 2.0)
Nicky Lopez (30, 2.0)
Whit Merrifield (36, 1.7)
Jorge Polanco (31, 1.6)
Brandon Drury (32, 0.6)
Adam Frazier (33, -0.1)
Tony Kemp (33, -0.2)
Joey Wendle (35, -1.0)

SHORTSTOPS

Willy Adames (29 years old, 8.0 WAR) -- declined qualifying offer
Ha-Seong Kim (29, 6.9)
Jose Iglesias (35, 2.6)
Paul DeJong (31, 2.2)
Kevin Newman (31, 1.4) -- signed 1-year deal with LAA (Nov. 14)
Amed Rosario (29, 0.7)
Nick Ahmed (35, 0.5)
Brandon Crawford (38, 0.5)
Aledmys Díaz (34, -0.9)
Tim Anderson (32, -1.6)

THIRD BASEMEN

Alex Bregman (31 years old, 8.6 WAR) -- declined qualifying offer
J.D. Davis (32, 1.7)
Yoán Moncada (30, 1.4)
Gio Urshela (33, 1.2)
Brian Anderson (32, 0.2)
Jace Peterson (35, 0.0)
Luis Urías (28, -0.2)

LEFT FIELDERS

Tyler O’Neill (30 years old, 3.1 WAR)
Jurickson Profar (32, 2.7)
Mark Canha (36, 2.7)
Michael Conforto (32, 2.0)
Alex Verdugo (29, 2.0)
Tommy Pham (37, 1.8)
Travis Jankowski (34, 0.8)
Austin Slater (32, 0.5) -- reported deal with White Sox
Jesse Winker (31, 0.5)
Adam Duvall (36, 0.4)
David Peralta (37, 0.2)
Ben Gamel (33, -0.1)
Nick Martini (35, -0.1)
Robbie Grossman (35, -0.2)
Eddie Rosario (33, -0.8)

CENTER FIELDERS

Harrison Bader (31, 2.4)
Michael A. Taylor (34, 2.4)
Garrett Hampson (30, 1.1)
Kevin Pillar (36, 0.8)
Aaron Hicks (35, 0.4)
Manuel Margot (30, 0.3)
Kiké Hernández (33, -0.4)

RIGHT FIELDERS

Juan Soto (26 years old, 14.2 WAR) -- declined qualifying offer
Anthony Santander (30, 5.9) -- declined qualifying offer
Teoscar Hernández (32, 5.4) -- declined qualifying offer
Max Kepler (32, 3.8)
Jason Heyward (35, 3.1)
Randal Grichuk (33, 2.1)

DESIGNATED HITTERS

Joc Pederson (33, 3.7)
J.D. Martinez (37, 3.0)
Andrew McCutchen (38, 1.8)
Daniel Vogelbach (32, -0.1)
Eloy Jiménez (28, -0.4)
Matt Carpenter (39, -0.6)

STARTING PITCHERS

Note: Japanese ace Roki Sasaki is not yet a free agent, but he is expected to be posted by the Chiba Lotte Marines of Japan's Nippon Professional Baseball at some point this offseason, which would allow him to negotiate with all 30 MLB clubs. Fellow Japanese starter Tomoyuki Sugano is also expected to be available to MLB teams this offseason. Sugano would be an international free agent, so he will not need to be posted by the Yomiuri Giants.

Corbin Burnes (30 years old, 7.2 WAR) -- declined qualifying offer
Blake Snell (32, 7.2)
Yusei Kikuchi (34, 6.0)
Max Fried (31, 5.2) -- declined qualifying offer
Nathan Eovaldi (35, 5.1)
Jack Flaherty (29, 5.0)
Nick Martinez (34, 4.9) -- accepted qualifying offer from CIN (Nov. 18)
Kyle Gibson (37, 4.0)
Justin Verlander (42, 4.0)
Nick Pivetta (32, 3.9) -- declined qualifying offer
Sean Manaea (33, 3.9) -- declined qualifying offer
Charlie Morton (41, 3.8)
Andrew Heaney (34, 3.5)
Kyle Hendricks (35, 3.0) -- signed 1-year deal with LAA (Nov. 7)
Clayton Kershaw (37, 3.0)
Shane Bieber (30, 2.8)
Max Scherzer (40, 2.8)
Patrick Corbin (35, 2.6)
José Quintana (36, 2.6)
Michael Lorenzen (33, 2.4)
Mike Clevinger (34, 2.1)
Alex Cobb (37, 2.1)
Lance Lynn (38, 1.8)
Trevor Williams (33, 1.8)
Matthew Boyd (34, 1.7)
Colin Rea (34, 1.6)
Luis Severino (31, 1.6) -- declined qualifying offer
Adrian Houser (32, 1.6)
Frankie Montas (32, 1.4)
Anthony DeSclafani (35, 1.0)
Wade Miley (38, 1.0)
Martín Pérez (34, 0.9)
Ross Stripling (35, 0.9)
Zach Davies (32, 0.8)
Domingo Germán (32, 0.8)
Marco Gonzales (33, 0.8)
Chris Flexen (30, 0.8)
John Means (32, 0.6)
Spencer Turnbull (32, 0.6)
Jordan Lyles (34, 0.3)
Julio Teheran (34, 0.2)
José Urquidy (30, 0.2)
Alex Wood (34, 0.1)
Dallas Keuchel (37, 0.1)
Michael Soroka (27, 0.0)
Carlos Carrasco (38, -0.2)
Walker Buehler (30, -0.2)
Chase Anderson (37, -0.3)
Yonny Chirinos (31, -0.5)
Brad Keller (29, -0.5)
José Ureña (33, -0.5)

RELIEF PITCHERS

Tanner Scott (30 years old, 4.5 WAR)
Jeff Hoffman (32, 3.6)
David Robertson (40, 3.1)
Aroldis Chapman (37, 2.9)
Clay Holmes (32, 2.8)
Kenley Jansen (37, 2.5)
Chris Martin (39, 2.4)
Carlos Estévez (32, 2.1)
Shawn Armstrong (34, 2.0)
Danny Coulombe (35, 1.9)
Dylan Floro (34, 1.8)
Kirby Yates (38, 1.8)
José Leclerc (31, 1.7)
Jakob Junis (32, 1.6)
Caleb Ferguson (28, 1.6)
Yimi García (34, 1.4)
A.J. Minter (31, 1.4)
Craig Kimbrel (37, 1.3)
Buck Farmer (34, 1.2)
Paul Sewald (35, 1.2)
Scott Barlow (32, 1.1)
Jalen Beeks (31, 1.1)
Trevor Gott (32, 1.0)
Brooks Raley (37, 1.0)
Blake Treinen (37, 1.0)
Héctor Neris (36, 0.9)
Andrew Chafin (35, 0.9)
Joe Ross (32, 0.9)
Scott Alexander (35, 0.8)
Joe Kelly (37, 0.8)
Ryan Yarbrough (33, 0.8)
Will Smith (35, 0.7)
Phil Maton (32, 0.7)
Ryan Borucki (31, 0.6)
Drew Smyly (36, 0.6)
John Brebbia (35, 0.5)
Jesse Chavez (41, 0.5)
Andrew Kittredge (35, 0.5)
Lucas Sims (31, 0.5)
Carl Edwards Jr. (33, 0.4)
Luis García (38, 0.4)
Tommy Kahnle (34, 0.4)
Trevor Richards (32, 0.4)
Drew Smith (31, 0.4)
Caleb Thielbar (38, 0.3)
Matt Barnes (34, 0.3)
Shelby Miller (34, 0.3)
Adam Ottavino (39, 0.3)
T.J. McFarland (36, 0.3) -- signed 1-year deal with ATH (Nov. 7)
Hunter Strickland (36, 0.3)
Shintaro Fujinami (31, 0.2)
Luke Jackson (31, 0.2)
Jonathan Loáisiga (30, 0.2)
Bryan Shaw (37, 0.2)
Justin Wilson (37, 0.2) -- signed 1-year deal with BOS (Nov. 14)
Jacob Barnes (35, 0.1)
Tim Hill (35, 0.1)
Keynan Middleton (31, 0.1)
Ryne Stanek (33, 0.1)
Naoyuki Uwasawa (31, 0.1)
David Buchanan (36, 0.0)
Miguel Castro (30, 0.0)
Dylan Covey (33, 0.0) -- signed 1-year deal with NYM (Oct. 31)
Kendall Graveman (34, -0.1)
Matt Moore (36, -0.1)
Joely Rodríguez (33, -0.1)
Matt Andriese (35, -0.1)
Brooks Kriske (31, -0.1)
Giovanny Gallegos (33, -0.2)
Amir Garrett (33, -0.2)
Jay Jackson (37, -0.2)
James Karinchak (29, -0.2)
Tyler Matzek (34, -0.2)
José Cisnero (36, -0.3)
Chad Kuhl (32, -0.3)
Génesis Cabrera (28, -0.4)
Jake Diekman (38, -0.4)
Daniel Bard (40, -0.5)
Scott McGough (35, -0.7)
Adam Cimber (34, -0.7)
Jorge López (32, -0.7)
Erasmo Ramírez (35, -0.8)
Dominic Leone (34, -1.2)
Lou Trivino (33, N/A)

[*ochocincos*]

Reds now at an estimated $81 mill in payroll for 2025 with Martinez signing his QO of $21 mill.

I would be surprised to see the Reds exceed $120 mill in payroll, and it may be closer to $100 mill.
If so, they don't have much to work with when it comes to new additions and may have to find some good sneaky bargain players to stay within their (self-imposed) budget.

As of right now, the Reds have 3-4 of their starting rotation sorted out in Martinez, Greene, and Abbot.
Maybe add Lodolo to that, but I'm worried he won't ever be reliable from a durability and/or consistency standpoint.
I liked what I saw from Rhett Lowder, but with such a limited sample size, will teams start finding his tells and begin to tee off on him?

With both Brandon Williamson and Julian Aguiar out for the season with Tommy John surgery, it may still be in the Reds' best interest to add one more dude to the rotation while Lodolo and Lowder battle it out for the final rotation spot.

They could also use a couple solid RPs and at least one if not two hitters.

A SP, couple RPs, and 1-2 good hitters may be hard to find on $20-40 mill budget.

With 13 players receiving the Qualifying Offer of $21.05 mill but only Martinez accepting it, it means everyone else who declined is looking for either >$21 mill APY or at least around $20 mill APY but a multi-year deal.
Reds won't likely land more than one of guys at that pay range with what they have remaining.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(11-20-2024, 02:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reds now at an estimated $81 mill in payroll for 2025 with Martinez signing his QO of $21 mill.

I would be surprised to see the Reds exceed $120 mill in payroll, and it may be closer to $100 mill.
If so, they don't have much to work with when it comes to new additions and may have to find some good sneaky bargain players to stay within their (self-imposed) budget.

As of right now, the Reds have 3-4 of their starting rotation sorted out in Martinez, Greene, and Abbot.
Maybe add Lodolo to that, but I'm worried he won't ever be reliable from a durability and/or consistency standpoint.
I liked what I saw from Rhett Lowder, but with such a limited sample size, will teams start finding his tells and begin to tee off on him?

With both Brandon Williamson and Julian Aguiar out for the season with Tommy John surgery, it may still be in the Reds' best interest to add one more dude to the rotation while Lodolo and Lowder battle it out for the final rotation spot.

They could also use a couple solid RPs and at least one if not two hitters.

A SP, couple RPs, and 1-2 good hitters may be hard to find on $20-40 mill budget.

With 13 players receiving the Qualifying Offer of $21.05 mill but only Martinez accepting it, it means everyone else who declined is looking for either >$21 mill APY or at least around $20 mill APY but a multi-year deal.
Reds won't likely land more than one of guys at that pay range with what they have remaining.

Means we're going to have another shitty season.

Which usually means he shouldn't have been extended it and we valued him a lot more than anyone else did (you know his agent got a pulse of what he could expect in FA before telling him to accept it).

[samhain]

I think the budget will be around 110 mil. I think they'll get an outfielder. I'm unsure if it will actually be a quality one.

I'm holding out hope that they will be active in the trade market. They do have some desirable minor league talent that could bring a good return. IMO everyone not named Chase Burns or Rhett Lowder is up for discussion. The others are less likely to be on this MLB roster if/when it reaches it's peak in the next few years.

Collier, Arroyo, Stewart, and Petty might actually get you something (not all of them at once).

It's sad and stupid that this ownership can't scrape together a league average or slightly below payroll. 150 (league avg) would likely put this group at a talent level that would be pretty formidable in the division if not the league. Bob and Phil have never figured out that they'd make more money if they invested in better players. They are half-stepping wannabes that are too content with their poverty franchise welfare. No vision for growth and no desire to take risk. Greed at it's worst. Like taking advantage of people's emotional attachment to a slightly less shitty degree than a TV preacher asking for cash from old people on fixed incomes.

I hate it, but if I had to make a bet, I'd beat heavily on this crop of talent being pissed away like the last. We'll start over with magic beans as always.