Higgins and Burton Inactive

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(11-03-2024, 07:56 PM)Dr.Z Wrote: I think it’s premature to go here at this point, although as much as I wanted to see him today, benching him was the right message to send to him for his BS.   I was a huge fan of his talent going into the draft,  and hope he responds to this correctly, but agree that his antics thus far are very concerning and not welcomed if changes aren’t made in how he approaches his career.

Yes, he is pretty dumb still, but I saw him on the side line with his team mates.

Too early to say we should cut him for damn sure.

[GodFather]

The guy obviously has mental issues. The way comments were made by the team and in particular Mike Hilton seems like players have been babying him but after blowing off walkthrough, even they are in the "Be a man and step up cause the team is more important than the individual"

Obviously Burton hasn't received that message...

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(11-04-2024, 12:37 AM)GodFather Wrote: The guy obviously has mental issues. The way comments were made by the team and in particular Mike Hilton seems like players have been babying him but after blowing off walkthrough, even they are in the "Be a man and step up cause the team is more important than the individual"

Obviously Burton hasn't received that message...

Agree, but don't cut him like some are saying...

[GodFather]

(11-04-2024, 12:39 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, but don't cut him like some are saying...

Agree with you 100%

[Browns Town Bengal]

(11-04-2024, 12:39 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, but don't cut him like some are saying...

Guy only has 2 catches...has been a healthy scratch several times this year and hasn't seen the field due to maturity issues.  Im not sure how long of a leash to give this guy.  In my opinion, he has few chances left.  If you don't address a bad seed early, it can only get worse.  

Im having bad flashbacks of Marvin Lewis putting up with knuckleheads for far too long

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[casear2727]

(11-03-2024, 10:53 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Hey I’ve said day one he’s a knucklehead and if you remember I messaged you about his first night in Cincy.

I do not recall that message, may have been someone else?

[*ochocincos*]

I feel like Burton is going down the John Ross path of getting in the doghouse and will end up hurting his development and production that they'll move on.
Bengals will give him through (part of) next year to try to turn his attitude around (and better learn plays assuming that's true?), but he's diggin himself a hole right now that's going to be hard to get out of.

IMO it would be wise of Burton to reach out to Burrow to see if he could get some time with him during the Bye week to run some extra routes outside of normal practices and build that chemistry with him.

[Sled21]

I was reading s post on another platform, and a guy posting said he was next-door neighbors with one of the assistant WR coaches. (Did not say who obviously) He said he asked about Burton and was told as long as they tell him to run down the sideline and catch the ball, or maybe two or three other routes, he can do that. But when it comes to understanding his assignment when Burrow calls the play in the huddle, he's basically clueless and is incapable of understanding complex offenses (Not that ours is that complex)and has to be specifically told what to do. There's no time for that in a huddle. I have no idea if that poster was legit, but it makes sense as to why he doesn't see the field.

[HarleyDog]

(11-04-2024, 10:40 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I was reading s post on another platform, and a guy posting said he was next-door neighbors with one of the assistant WR coaches. (Did not say who obviously) He said he asked about Burton and was told as long as they tell him to run down the sideline and catch the ball, or maybe two or three other routes, he can do that. But when it comes to understanding his assignment when Burrow calls the play in the huddle, he's basically clueless and is incapable of understanding complex offenses (Not that ours is that complex)and has to be specifically told what to do. There's no time for that in a huddle. I have no idea if that poster was legit, but it makes sense as to why he doesn't see the field.

How the hell can you make the pro's being that stupid? Have the waterboy trod out there with a sandbox and a stick each play and draw the play out for him if you have to, or, do the logical thing and get rid of his lazy ass. Make a deal with Cleveland for the kid. They're dumb enough to give us something for him.

[Sled21]

(11-04-2024, 10:46 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: How the hell can you make the pro's being that stupid? Have the waterboy trod out there with a sandbox and a stick each play and draw the play out for him if you have to, or, do the logical thing and get rid of his lazy ass. Make a deal with Cleveland for the kid. They're dumb enough to give us something for him.

Well, listen to some interviews of NFL players, there's plenty of stupid ones. The thing is, they try, and their teammates help them. Burton is burning his bridges faster than the French when they heard Rommel was on his way. And YES trade him to Cleveland, him and Watson can go get massages together.

[*Synric*]

(11-04-2024, 10:40 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I was reading s post on another platform, and a guy posting said he was next-door neighbors with one of the assistant WR coaches. (Did not say who obviously) He said he asked about Burton and was told as long as they tell him to run down the sideline and catch the ball, or maybe two or three other routes, he can do that. But when it comes to understanding his assignment when Burrow calls the play in the huddle, he's basically clueless and is incapable of understanding complex offenses (Not that ours is that complex)and has to be specifically told what to do. There's no time for that in a huddle. I have no idea if that poster was legit, but it makes sense as to why he doesn't see the field.

Wait assistant WR Coach? I don't think the Bengals have one right? There's Justin Rascati pass game coordinator.


Edit: Maybe Jordan Salkin Offensive Assistant? I don't know if I'd put to much faith into what that dude said especially since they could have said the same thing about Erick All's route tree until yesterday (first stick and nod route this year). 

[Sled21]

(11-04-2024, 10:59 AM)Synric Wrote: Wait assistant WR Coach? I don't think the Bengals have one right? There's Justin Rascati pass game coordinator.


Edit: Maybe Jordan Salkin Offensive Assistant? I don't know if I'd put to much faith into what that dude said especially since they could have said the same thing about Erick All's route tree until yesterday (first stick and nod route this year). 

The dude could have been talking about Walters for all I know, he said "Assistant" but he obviously was trying not to out the guy. Hell, he could have been making it all up, but it makes sense as to why he's not playing before this.

[Brownshoe]

(11-04-2024, 10:33 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I feel like Burton is going down the John Ross path of getting in the doghouse and will end up hurting his development and production that they'll move on.
Bengals will give him through (part of) next year to try to turn his attitude around (and better learn plays assuming that's true?), but he's diggin himself a hole right now that's going to be hard to get out of.

IMO it would be wise of Burton to reach out to Burrow to see if he could get some time with him during the Bye week to run some extra routes outside of normal practices and build that chemistry with him.

Well I feel like Burton is in the doghouse for a different reason than Ross. Ross just wasn't very good. Burton looks like he can be legit, but he's just lazy/stupid. If what the rumors are true about him sleeping in meetings, not showing up/showing up late to walkthroughs, and whatever else this knucklehead is doing is way worse than Ross. Burton needs to double down on the mental work instead he's skipping it. It sucks, because I thought that Burton could have been a beast.

[Soonerpeace]

(11-04-2024, 10:27 AM)casear2727 Wrote: I do not recall that message, may have been someone else?

8-23-24 your response


Interesting, Ive heard the staff was upset with him but havent received any specifics. Hopefully he gets squared away.

[Sled21]

(11-04-2024, 11:33 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Well I feel like Burton is in the doghouse for a different reason than Ross. Ross just wasn't very good. Burton looks like he can be legit, but he's just lazy/stupid. If what the rumors are true about him sleeping in meetings, not showing up/showing up late to walkthroughs, and whatever else this knucklehead is doing is way worse than Ross. Burton needs to double down on the mental work instead he's skipping it. It sucks, because I thought that Burton could have been a beast.

I never quite figured Ross out. He could make some outstanding catches getting totally blown up in the end zone, but couldn't catch a cold going down the field. 

[*ochocincos*]

(11-04-2024, 11:33 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Well I feel like Burton is in the doghouse for a different reason than Ross. Ross just wasn't very good. Burton looks like he can be legit, but he's just lazy/stupid. If what the rumors are true about him sleeping in meetings, not showing up/showing up late to walkthroughs, and whatever else this knucklehead is doing is way worse than Ross. Burton needs to double down on the mental work instead he's skipping it. It sucks, because I thought that Burton could have been a beast.

Ross, like Burton, had elite athletic gifts but needed to work on some of the smaller things of the game like running the right routes, catching the ball, etc.
Now, we haven't seen if Burton has lapses in catching like Ross did because we have hardly seen Burton make any plays, but we know he's not trusted on routes.

I distinctly remember Ross posting something on social media about how he was open on a handful of routes in games and just wasn't getting enough opportunities.

Ross could have been a beast too if he could have figured out some of the mental lapses.
If Burton doesn't figure out the mental, he could follow the same path.

[casear2727]

(11-04-2024, 11:35 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: 8-23-24 your response


Interesting, Ive heard the staff was upset with him but havent received any specifics. Hopefully he gets squared away.

Ah yes, I remember.  Careless from the beginning.

[Destro]

(11-04-2024, 10:52 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Well, listen to some interviews of NFL players, there's plenty of stupid ones. 

I swear that some people need to have a manager doing all the speaking for them, like pro wrestling.