A positive - Chase Brown

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(12-29-2024, 11:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I see Jeanty from Boise State mocked to us. I'd be shocked if we went RB.

In the 1st? Can't see that happening either.

Mykel Williams is a 6'5 DE out of Georgia. That's got Bengals FO written all over it.
Omarr Norman-Lott a DT out of Tennessee. Bengals love them some SEC DL.

Wouldn't be super shocked if they went Jihaad Campbell either as they love them some big 245lb LBs, and he's out of Alabama. (Also his parents must hate him by forcing him to grow up in Jersey the '00s with the first name Jihaad.)

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(12-29-2024, 11:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I see Jeanty from Boise State mocked to us. I'd be shocked if we went RB.

People mocking that are morons. 

I expect the pick to be DL, be it DE (Scourton) or DT (Harmon, Nolen, Grant). 

Though if Starks (S) falls to us, I could see us taking him. TE Warren would be VERY tempting. 
I do love Campbell at LB. There is some good DL depth on Day2. There are no IOL worth taking top 20. 

I will say I'd rather get a stud at a secondary area of need/non-premium position (S, LB, TE) than a 'meh' pick at DE/DT/CB. I am pretty convinced Starks, Campbell, and Warren are studs. Not as much with Scourton, Harmon, Nolen, and Grant. 

M. Williams is problematic for me. First, Lou is pretty dogmatic about playing true DEs instead of OLBs. Rumor has it he was gonna take Nolan Smith befor the Eagles took him, so he isn't completely dogmatic. But that was when Hubbard was the starter, and Smith DE3 on passing downs. We need DE2. 

Now, if Lou isn't here, sure. But switching to a 34 is gonna have problems. Can Trey play OLB? We don't have 2 decent DTs, much less 3. Or 6. And all our LB are MLB types save maybe ADG, who is a FA. 

The othet problem with Williams is he is an athletic freak but hasn't been that productive. Those guys scare me in Rd1. I want productive players who are also good athletically. We need help now, not 2 years from now. Get me guys who can play. Day 1 & 2. Not projects. That's Day 3. 

[*ochocincos*]

(12-29-2024, 09:58 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Turns out if you get almost all the RB touches you have more yards, and if you have to split workloads you have less yards. Even if you're much less productive on a per-touch basis.

Hill had a nearly 50-50 split with Bernard (249 vs 211)
Bernard had a nearly 50-50 split with BJGE (226 to 224)

Brown has nearly a 75-25 split with Moss (283 to 97)

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That's a bit like saying Cedric Benson was more productive in 2010 (349 touches to Scott's 72) than Bernard was in 2013.

Sure Benson had 80 more scrimmage yards, but he also had 123 more touches.

Same with guys like Jerome Bettis who were just volume merchants on a mediocre offense held up by a great defense. 368 touches at 3.9 yards per touch in 2000 is still enough to put him ahead of Chase Brown with 1,438 yards from scrimmage.. but it took him 100 more touches to get there.

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I'm still ready to give him a healthy workload next year, but we need another RB to pair with him that'll get a pretty substantial amount of touches (and to clean out the entire rest of the RB room).

I'm fine adding a RB, but not until Day 3.
There are too many other more important positions to address on Day 1 and Day 2 that should be (far) more impactful than a RB2.
DL, IOL are the main ones for me, possibly pass catcher or DB too depending on who walks or gets cut.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(12-30-2024, 09:58 AM)ochocincos Wrote: [b]I'm fine adding a RB, but not until Day 3.[/b[
There are too many other more important positions to address on Day 1 and Day 2 that should be (far) more impactful than a RB2.
DL, IOL are the main ones for me, possibly pass catcher or DB too depending on who walks or gets cut.

Jonah Coleman

[wadirumm]

Please,please ,please FO: build from the trenches. Get some stud DTs and DEs and OL. You and I could cover some of these WRs if we had a few Max Crosbys on the line. Alot of 3 and outs for the bad guys.

[Nicomo Cosca]

Chase Brown vs Joe Mixon comparison pic.twitter.com/VtZxnVYmnh

— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) December 30, 2024

[*ochocincos*]

(12-30-2024, 04:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Chase Brown vs Joe Mixon comparison pic.twitter.com/VtZxnVYmnh

— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) December 30, 2024

Looks like at least somewhat of an upgrade over Mixon, even if not head and shoulders.
But the cost differential is big.

There's room for improvement, but...
1) No RB is going to be head and shoulders better with YPC unless this OL improves
2) No RB is going to be Top 5 in rushing yards unless the offense changes to put the focus on the running game more

I don't see #2 happening, but #1 can be addressed by getting some new IOL in FA/draft.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-30-2024, 04:37 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Looks like at least somewhat of an upgrade over Mixon, even if not head and shoulders.
But the cost differential is big.

There's room for improvement, but...
1) No RB is going to be head and shoulders better with YPC unless this OL improves
2) No RB is going to be Top 5 in rushing yards unless the offense changes to put the focus on the running game more

I don't see #2 happening, but #1 can be addressed by getting some new IOL in FA/draft.

One thing that jumped out to me was way less negative runs for Brown. Which matches the eye test. He’s much more decisive than Mixon.

[*ochocincos*]

(12-30-2024, 04:46 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: One thing that jumped out to me was way less negative runs for Brown. Which matches the eye test. CB is much more decisive than Mixon.

Yep 100%

I consider Chase Brown a "good," but not great RB.
He's not in the Derrick Henry, Saquon Barkley category of being able to carry an offense and build the offense around, but he's a quality dude. He reminds me of a guy like Aaron Jones. Good RB to have in a passing-heavy offense.

I'd rather try to address the clear bad spots like DL, IOL, and potentially DB and pass catcher before I worry about trying to upgrade from a "good" RB.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-30-2024, 10:03 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Jonah Coleman

Yeah, I like Coleman a lot. Is Skattebo going to be in this Draft? He really impresses me with his physicality, hands and pass protection.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-30-2024, 04:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Chase Brown vs Joe Mixon comparison pic.twitter.com/VtZxnVYmnh

— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) December 30, 2024

Thanks for the numbers Nicomo and this is with a worse interior OL than the Texans have. Chase Brown accelerates quickly and as you say is
decisive and doesn't hesitate. If he had a better IOL he could break a lot more monster runs as well with his speed. Chase Brown improving so 
much in pass catching and pass protection has been really impressive and shows he can improve in other areas of his game with hard work.

We got a good one here and yes, Chase Brown is an upgrade over Joe Mixon and his inconsistent play. Mixon only has him on ball security and
maybe pass catching but Chase Brown can improve in these areas.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(12-30-2024, 05:06 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks for the numbers Nicomo and this is with a worse interior OL than the Texans have. Chase Brown accelerates quickly and as you say is
decisive and doesn't hesitate. If he had a better IOL he could break a lot more monster runs as well with his speed. Chase Brown improving so 
much in pass catching and pass protection has been really impressive and shows he can improve in other areas of his game with hard work.

We got a good one here and yes, Chase Brown is an upgrade over Joe Mixon and his inconsistent play. Mixon only has him on ball security and
maybe pass catching but Chase Brown can improve in these areas.

Mixon had a torrid first half of his games and a completely putrid second half of his games.

That Houston team is being figured out more and more, if Stroud can't regain his form from last year, they are going to sink.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-30-2024, 06:17 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Mixon had a torrid first half of his games and a completely putrid second half of his games.

That Houston team is being figured out more and more, if Stroud can't regain his form from last year, they are going to sink.

Oh yeah, never thought it would last, we know Mixon. I didn't expect for Stroud to be this bad though after how good he was as a rookie.

Like you said, they are getting figured out. I expect one and done from them in the Playoffs this year no matter who they play.

[Destro]

(12-30-2024, 12:47 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: People mocking that are morons.  

But look who is doing the drafting for the Bengals.....

[Frank Booth]

(12-31-2024, 12:46 AM)Destro Wrote: But look who is doing the drafting for the Bengals.....

Nice

[*bengalfan74*]

(12-30-2024, 10:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Oh yeah, never thought it would last, we know Mixon. I didn't expect for Stroud to be this bad though after how good he was as a rookie.

Like you said, they are getting figured out. I expect one and done from them in the Playoffs this year no matter who they play.

Sophomore slump? I wouldn't count him out just yet. Not this season as you say but beyond??

[Browns Town Bengal]

(12-30-2024, 04:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Chase Brown vs Joe Mixon comparison pic.twitter.com/VtZxnVYmnh

— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) December 30, 2024

Yeah I hope this can finally put the RB debate to bed.  Mixon was great early on with Houston but he has slowed down quite a bit.  It was definitely the right move to let him walk considering he is no longer a spring chicken.  Id expect his numbers to be even worse next year considering he will be damn near 30 which is the age many RB's start to decline rapidly

[*bengalfan74*]

(12-31-2024, 11:19 AM)Browns Town Bengal Wrote: Yeah I hope this can finally put the RB debate to bed.  Mixon was great early on with Houston but he has slowed down quite a bit.  It was definitely the right move to let him walk considering he is no longer a spring chicken.  Id expect his numbers to be even worse next year considering he will be damn near 30 which is the age many RB's start to decline rapidly

100%

I'd take C. Brown 100 X out of 100 over Mixon. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(12-31-2024, 10:43 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Sophomore slump? I wouldn't count him out just yet. Not this season as you say but beyond??

Must be, CJ doesn't look anything like he did as a rookie whether that is Defenses figuring him out or whatever. He looks hurried and 
frustrated out there, nothing like the cool and calm he shown as a rookie. I am not counting him out either for his career, just saying 
he doesn't look like the same player this year, must be the sophomore slump.

(12-31-2024, 11:22 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: 100%

I'd take C. Brown 100 X out of 100 over Mixon. 

For sure. Chase Brown is also cheap instead of paying so much for Mixon who only had ball security and pass catching over him.

Chase Brown has EVERYTHING ELSE on him and can grow.