2024 Defensive Personnel Failures

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-02-2024, 03:18 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I don't believe that. There is nothing wrong with the offense, it could be better but it is putting up enough points to win almost every week if the defense wasn't a sieve. A new DC with new position coaches, especially in the backfield, along with a defense heavy draft and I think we're right back in it.

Except that we don’t have a single decent guard on the team, sure. That’s unsustainable, and Burrow is back to taking way too many hits.

[Frank Booth]

(12-02-2024, 04:27 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Right now at present we have an elite pass rusher in Tre a good number 2 corner in CTB a development in Dax Hill maybe keep Logan a highend backup in Murphy everyone else should be gone and be replaced next season on defense.

where does this blind optimism come from? ctb stinks bro 

[*bfine32*]

(12-02-2024, 03:58 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Too many optimists here

“The bengals will fix it in 1 season!”

ok I guess you have faith in the front office and coaching staff lol

Well they did go from a 4-win season to the Super bowl in 1-season

[Frank Booth]

(12-02-2024, 04:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well they did go from a 4-win season to the Super bowl in 1-season

yea that is the outlier. They went from 11-5 to 3 years no playoffs with palmer. They also went from 12-4 in 2015 to 5 years no playoffs 

yes they did bounce back from 2010 into 2011, but like I said, its generally the outlier. 

[*Synric*]

(12-02-2024, 04:46 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: yea that is the outlier. They went from 11-5 to 3 years no playoffs with palmer. They also went from 12-4 in 2015 to 5 years no playoffs 

yes they did bounce back from 2010 into 2011, but like I said, its generally the outlier. 

It happens all the time in the NFL. Chargers and Redskins this year. 

[*ochocincos*]

(12-02-2024, 03:35 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The funny thing is they overpay for these guys too.

I would argue they got what they paid for - a budget FA safety.

Bates - $16 mill APY
Scott - $4 mill APY
Stone - $7 mill APY

Bates is 5th highest paid safety in the league.
Stone is tied for 20th.
Scott was lower than that.

Good news is Budda Baker, Justin Reid, and Justin Simmons are all set to hit FA this coming offseason.
I'd slot any of them as starting FS and be comfortable with that.
Baker is a 6-time All-Star.
Simmons 2-time.
Reid is the youngest of the three at nearly 28 years old, but Simmons has been the best ball hawk, averaging 4 INTs per season in his career.
EDIT - Maybe ignore the above on the FA safeties lol. All 3 are not performing very well.
Baker - 23 missed tackles, 124 passer rating allowed
Reid - 4 missed tackles, 131.7 passer rating allowed
Simmons - 12 missed tackles, 98.7 passer rating allowed
Of the 3, I'd probably go Simmons, but I may be leaning more and more to early draft pick. I really like Malaki Starks in Rd 1 or Xavier Watts on Day 2.

[Frank Booth]

(12-02-2024, 04:48 PM)Synric Wrote: It happens all the time in the NFL. Chargers and Redskins this year. 

washington was last decent in 2020 when they went 7-9 and won the east

chargers, sure. 1 year turnarounds are not the norm. Especially with how many holes this team has on defense

[*Synric*]

(12-02-2024, 04:57 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: washington was last decent in 2020 when they went 7-9 and won the east

chargers, sure. 1 year turnarounds are not the norm. Especially with how many holes this team has on defense

Texans 2024, Browns 2023, Giants 2022, Bengals 2021... It pretty much happens every year.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(12-02-2024, 04:32 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Except that we don’t have a single decent guard on the team, sure. That’s unsustainable, and Burrow is back to taking way too many hits.

And on top of that...

Our C is getting old and isn't very good. Our TEs are all exclusively binary options of either receiving OR blocking (and they're all going to be in their age 29, 30, or 31 seasons next year... or coming off their 2nd ACL tear in 14 months). We have the 27th rush offense (20th in ypc) with the 30th most first downs from rushing so we have the overwhelming desire to throw it with 1 or 2 yards (often deep balls) to go or when we're inside the 5. Not to mention that we will have exactly 1 starting caliber WR on the roster next year.

OH, and our offense just doesn't work for the first 2 weeks of the year. Every year.

Burrow/Chase/Higgins has been covering up a lot of stink.

[Frank Booth]

(12-02-2024, 05:03 PM)Synric Wrote: Texans 2024, Browns 2023, Giants 2022, Bengals 2021... It pretty much happens every year.

what the hell are you talking about? do you understand my point? Im talking 1 year turnarounds. As in, they had a winning season/playoff appearance, then they have a losing season, then they follow it up with a winning season.

Good, to bad, to good. Get my point? 

[*Synric*]

(12-02-2024, 05:05 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: what the hell are you talking about? do you understand my point? Im talking 1 year turnarounds. As in, they had a winning season/playoff appearance, then they have a losing season, then they follow it up with a winning season.

Good, to bad, to good. Get my point? 

Rosters churn yearly going from bad to good happens a ton in the NFL. Every. Single. Year.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-02-2024, 04:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well they did go from a 4-win season to the Super bowl in 1-season

That offseason they added Chase, Trey, Awuzie, Hilton, Ogunjobi, Apple, and Perine.

Nail another top 10 pick, and have a free agency like that, then yes we can fix things in one year. I wouldn’t bet on it though.

[Frank Booth]

(12-02-2024, 05:08 PM)Synric Wrote: Rosters churn yearly going from bad to good happens a ton in the NFL. Every. Single. Year.

the chargers are the only team I can think of that went from good, to bad, to back to good. It's an outlier. Odds are largely against you.

but Im not sure you get my point still, so im gonna leave you alone. 

[*ochocincos*]

(12-02-2024, 05:05 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: And on top of that...

Our C is getting old and isn't very good. Our TEs are all exclusively binary options of either receiving OR blocking (and they're all going to be in their age 29, 30, or 31 seasons next year... or coming off their 2nd ACL tear in 14 months). We have the 27th rush offense (20th in ypc) with the 30th most first downs from rushing so we have the overwhelming desire to throw it with 1 or 2 yards (often deep balls) to go or when we're inside the 5. Not to mention that we will have exactly 1 starting caliber WR on the roster next year.

OH, and our offense just doesn't work for the first 2 weeks of the year. Every year.

Burrow/Chase/Higgins has been covering up a lot of stink.

FWIW, here are the rankings of each of our starters according to PFF:
Karras - 27th among Cs
Volson - 54th among OGs
Cappa - 67th among OGs
OBJ - 61st among OTs
Mims - 60th among OTs

Burrow - 2nd among QBs

Higgins - 4th among WRs
Chase - 17th among WRs
Gesicki - 21st among TEs
Brown - 21st among RBs
Iosivas - 116th among WRs

Dax Hill - 41st among CBs
Turner - 46th among CBs
Hilton - 48th among CBs
CTB - 76th among CBs (might how far he's fallen since September)

Stone - 88th among SAFs
Bell - 67th among SAFs

Pratt - 53rd among LBs
Wilson - 18th among LBs

Hendrickson - 9th among EDGE
Hubbard - 73rd among EDGE
BJ Hill - 27th among IDL
Rankins - 76th among IDL
Jenkins - 94th among IDL
Ossai and Murphy, worse than 75th among EDGE.

Bolded/italicized are the ones doing well/solid.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(12-02-2024, 05:08 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That offseason they added Chase, Trey, Awuzie, Hilton, Ogunjobi, Apple, and Perine.

Nail another top 10 pick, and have a free agency like that, then yes we can fix things in one year. I wouldn’t bet on it though.

Not even a nickel.

[*jason*]

(12-02-2024, 03:50 PM)Au165 Wrote: Chargers went from about the same place we are in points allowed to 1st in one season. People keep saying this is a talent issue, which it is, but it's also a coaching issue. Cleaning house on the defensive side and two or three veterans can make a massive difference (What LAC did).

They cleaned house on the HC side too... Bringing in a proven commodity can do wonders.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-02-2024, 11:28 PM)jason Wrote: They cleaned house on the HC side too... Bringing in a proven commodity can do wonders.

Harbaugh has made Herbert’s job infinitely easier. Otoh everything is a Herculean task for Burrow here.

[*bfine32*]

(12-02-2024, 05:08 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: That offseason they added Chase, Trey, Awuzie, Hilton, Ogunjobi, Apple, and Perine.

Nail another top 10 pick, and have a free agency like that, then yes we can fix things in one year. I wouldn’t bet on it though.

Strange, you're usually so optimistic.

[*bfine32*]

(12-02-2024, 05:08 PM)Synric Wrote: Rosters churn yearly going from bad to good happens a ton in the NFL. Every. Single. Year.

Folks are mad, you just gotta let 'em vent. 

This team can easily turn it around next year, I think most folks outside of the MB know this. 

[Gohards]

(12-02-2024, 05:08 PM)Synric Wrote: Rosters churn yearly going from bad to good happens a ton in the NFL. Every. Single. Year.

There is typically a couple teams that go from bad to “good”

But rarely ever, does a team go from say a 6 wins or less (which is right around what were projected to finish) to a super bowl contender.

Denvers probably going to make the, but theyre not winning anything

The chargers are more than likely going to the playoffs, but i dont see them getting passed the divisional round.

The commanders are more than likely playoff bound. Does anybody seriously see them competing for a super bowl?