The Truth We All Ignore: Mike Brown

[grampahol]

(01-06-2025, 09:38 AM)Sled21 Wrote: He's actually done a hell of a lot to endear himself to the ungrateful community. He may not be a good GM, but he is a good decent man who treats all his employees like family. He gives money to charities all over the city. But you're right, there will be slimy fans who cheer his demise. 

Same types who will curse their own mothers for not allowing them to eat ice cream and candy for dinner every night when they were kids.. 

[Millhouse]

(01-06-2025, 10:48 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The Brown Family is smart at running a successful business — but not when it comes to football.

True. They made the lopsided deal of the century with the City on that stadium deal led by commissioner Bob Bedinghaus, who not long afterwards after getting voted out, would go work for the Bengals for 18 years.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(01-06-2025, 11:06 AM)Millhouse Wrote: True. They made the lopsided deal of the century with the City on that stadium deal led by commissioner Bob Bedinghaus, who not long afterwards after getting voted out, would go work for the Bengals for 18 years.

…and let’s not forget Mike Brown going savage on the Raiders’ Mark Davis a week after his father died. Remember all those draft picks?

[ERIC1]

(01-05-2025, 09:25 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: FTFY

Give me a Ben Johnson, or Joe Brady, or even Mike Vrabel, and those odds probably go way up.

ben Johnson..Joe Brady  and Vrabel whom had issues with his last gig would not make a difference..but I get that you like the names  

[ERIC1]

(01-05-2025, 09:52 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Mike Brown doesn't care about super bowls or your pain. He only cares about putting more nickels in the coffer. 

/discussion

what pain..and brown had us in the Superbowl and AFC championship games quite recently

[ERIC1]

(01-05-2025, 09:59 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Tbf Vrabel with a true franchise QB would probably be pretty scary. He had the Titans a #1 seed with Ryan Tannehill.

Vrabel..average @ best,,his last two years as a head coach..was bad 

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(01-06-2025, 11:22 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: ben Johnson..Joe Brady  and Vrabel whom had issues with his last gig would not make a difference..but I get that you like the names  

Until he went to North Carolina I thought Bill Belichick would be the logical successor to Zac Taylor. He’s a disciplinarian and a stickler for playing with proper fundamentals. If we’re honest we can admit the Bengals have issues with blocking and tackling.

[ERIC1]

(01-06-2025, 11:31 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Until he went to North Carolina I thought Bill Belichick would be the logical successor to Zac Taylor.  He’s a disciplinarian and a stickler for playing with proper fundamentals. If we’re honest we can admit the Bengals have issues with blocking and tackling.

belichick set the NE franchise back a decade his last 4-5 years..and that is why nobody hired him..without VBrady he was marginal...again..the coaches can only do so much with players provided them by the organization

[PDub80]

The amount of crying the fans are doing in this thread is nutty.

I get that the FO made mistakes. The FA's were poor. The bumbled yet another long term deal for a star player. And coaching changes need to be made.

But the idea that a wholesale tear it all up from the top down, entire org rebuild needs to take place for the Bengals to get back to the top of the AFCN & beat the big dogs is out of touch and just grown ass men being in their feelings.

All of us are disappointed in the 2024 Bengals. All of us should expect changes. I, for one, would be excited to see a new O Line coach, nearly entire defensive staff, and (honestly) a new voice in the ST room as well. Throw in a lot of heavy handed evaluation of how the Bengals are drafting and I can buy it all... But, Mike Vrabel? Mike Brown's the problem? Certainly not on the field.....

THE BENGALS PLAYERS bungled those games away. Not Mike Brown. Not ZT. Those 2 didn't fumble against KC or the Ravens. Those 2 didn't miss gimme extra points and FGs to win games. Those 2 didn't drop touch downs that would have won games. Duke Tobin didn't commit a senseless DPI to give a game to KC.

THE PLAYERS DID ALL OF THAT.

[Mickeypoo]

(01-06-2025, 10:48 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The Brown Family is smart at running a successful business — but not when it comes to football.

100% agree.

[Mickeypoo]

(01-06-2025, 11:41 AM)PDub80 Wrote: The amount of crying the fans are doing in this thread is nutty.

I get that the FO made mistakes. The FA's were poor. The bumbled yet another long term deal for a star player. And coaching changes need to be made.

But the idea that a wholesale tear it all up from the top down, entire org rebuild needs to take place for the Bengals to get back to the top of the AFCN & beat the big dogs is out of touch and just grown ass men being in their feelings.

All of us are disappointed in the 2024 Bengals. All of us should expect changes. I, for one, would be excited to see a new O Line coach, nearly entire defensive staff, and (honestly) a new voice in the ST room as well. Throw in a lot of heavy handed evaluation of how the Bengals are drafting and I can buy it all... But, Mike Vrabel? Mike Brown's the problem? Certainly not on the field.....

THE BENGALS PLAYERS bungled those games away. Not Mike Brown. Not ZT. Those 2 didn't fumble against KC or the Ravens. Those 2 didn't miss gimme extra points and FGs to win games. Those 2 didn't drop touch downs that would have won games. Duke Tobin didn't commit a senseless DPI to give a game to KC.

THE PLAYERS DID ALL OF THAT.

And who has the final say in getting those players that bungled those games away?  How many scouts do we have to find those players?  Who hires the scouts?  Who hires the coaches?  It starts with the FO.  

The FO just lost millions that could have went to other players and help the team by botching yet another star player extension.  It all starts with the inept FO.

[*rfaulk34*]

(01-06-2025, 11:23 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: what pain..and brown had us in the Superbowl and AFC championship games quite recently

You spelled Burrow wrong.

[*michaelsean*]

(01-06-2025, 10:48 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The Brown Family is smart at running a successful business — but not when it comes to football.

You and I could make money running an NFL Franchise. His team, while worth a ton, is still at the bottom as far as team value. He’s not all that good.

[*bengalfan74*]

(01-05-2025, 09:12 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: This point really can not be overstated. We’re never going to have a better chance than we do right now with Burrow in his prime. People talk about Rodgers and Brees only winning one SB a piece, and what a failure that was. Burrow becoming Marino 2.0 would be the biggest slight on this franchise in its entire history. And that’s really saying something.

BINGO

We'll see how this offseason goes? We'll know if ownership is willing to go all in with Joe in his prime. Or if they're going to nickel and dime and piss away their best chance.

The Joe Burrow window isn't going to be open forever. Will they do the right thing? Or are we going to be on here 10 years from now adding Joe to the long list of Bengals coulda/shoulda/woulda's?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-06-2025, 09:12 AM)PDub80 Wrote: Did KC fire Andy Reid to do that?

The ignore feature is a wonderful thing.....

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-06-2025, 10:14 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Well part of that is (or can be) bias towards Cincinnati organization.
Bengals have some great players who have (way) more production than many of these HOF guys, but those guys get credit for being on Super Bowl winning teams.

All-Pro and/or Pro Bowl-caliber should be the better gauge of hitting on draft picks.

Have they really "hit" on any early draft pick in the Taylor era aside from Burrow, Chase, and Higgins?

This comes down to proper scouting and arguably being able to either mold that player into the team scheme or adapt the scheme around said player.
I personally think the Bengals have had some decent draft picks who didn't pan out because of poor coaching.

Not being a contrarian, who would you consider those picks to be?

[PDub80]

(01-06-2025, 11:58 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: And who has the final say in getting those players that bungled those games away?  How many scouts do we have to find those players?  Who hires the scouts?  Who hires the coaches?  It starts with the FO.  

The FO just lost millions that could have went to other players and help the team by botching yet another star player extension.  It all starts with the inept FO.

The same people who had the players ahead or on the cusp of winning those games.

Look, the front office has made mistakes for sure, but those games were totally blown by the players. Different players, let's not forget, in most of these losses.

The Bengals aren't the Pats, Raiders, Jets, Browns, etc. The Bengals were in control to win those games and player skill errors causmanagement. of the losses. Not game management. Not contract situations. The on field bundling of what are routine plays.

If the Players completed HALF of those routine gimme plays the Bengals are the #1 seed. That's on the guy's wearing the jersey. Not the guy's in suits or holding clipboards.

[ERIC1]

(01-06-2025, 02:04 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You spelled Burrow wrong.

detention for me

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 10:26 AM)Wyche Wrote: Not being a contrarian, who would you consider those picks to be?

I had liked John Ross, Jackson Carman, Dax Hill (specifically at safety), and even Zach Carter.

John Ross I thought though needed to be used much more on short routes, as his college tape showed his best skill set was getting YAC.

Carman I thought was a good fit to be the starting LG in 2022 after seeing him play solid in limited snaps in the previous (post)season, but Pollack/Taylor decided to give the job to rookie Volson instead. I have to wonder if losing out on that starting LG spot in 2022 resulted in some lack of effort for him after.

Hill I think had the makings of being a really good FS. He had the range and talent to succeed at the spot, he just was more familiar playing CB and SS from college.
With how poor Stone ended up performing most of the year at FS as well, I have to wonder if it would have been better just keeping Hill at that spot to continue learning on the job.

And for Carter, his best spot may have ended up being 3-4 DE based on his size and length, but I thought he was a good pass rusher coming out of college.
He was kind of a tweener and was moved around different spots during games in college to take advantage of matchups.
Bengals never seemed to really move guys around to different spots, and I think Carter just was never able to handle full-time DT against those bigger, more powerful guys inside.
Anarumo's pass rush schemes are pretty bland for the DL, relying heavily on each individual being able to beat his man ahead of him.

When looking at all these guys though, they all needed some amount of coaching to refine their skill sets (and/or have the scheme tweaked to take advantage of their talents better), which didn't seem to happen. I'm sure some of it is on the player, but some of it might be on the coaching too.

[Soonerpeace]

(01-05-2025, 09:04 PM)samhain Wrote: With the season over, things are about to get interesting. The gaslighting and make-believe of 8 percent playoff chances has evaporated. No more shitty teams to beat up on.

Now, for two years straight, you're asking why a team with Super Bowl expectations is Cancun on 3.

The glaze of the Super Bowl appearance is wearing off. The once-in-a-franchise-lifetime quarterback appears to be agitated.

We've all bought into the narrative of them trying to retain Tee and Ja'marr. Why? Because Joe wants it? What does the family think?

At the end of the day, the old man will have the final say. We assume that he won't alienate another all-time-franchise great in Chase by offering another lame-ass extension. Everyone assumes that things are different. We assume he will somehow bow to Joe and do his bidding. I think that this belief is misinformed.

Even if he did do as Joe suggests, is that even appropriate? Maybe we need a defense more than we need to keep the band together.

Lots of moving parts and volatility here. The upside is that we have 2 top 10 players in the league on the roster. Probably the best qb in the league. Best receiver hands down. Those things should be advantages. Somehow, the team has manages to makes them potential obstacles.

They have to stick the landing in 25. If they don't, it will never happen for us. If we don't win it with Burrow, we never will. Screwing this era of Bengals football up is going to be fatal to the organization's tenure in Cincinnati.

It's time for the family to show that's it's serious. This offseason will tell us absolutely everything we need to know about the future of the Bengals in Cincinnati.

Love your post but Joe is one of the best QB’s and Chase one of the best receivers. Had they signed Chase earlier before the season it’d been a lot less. Duke may be making the personnel decisions with input from Zac and the staff but not the money. The Bengals off season will be telling. Gosh so many crucial decisions monetarily and roster related.