Huge Draft Trades... Always Only For QBs..... Why not us, for Abdul Carter?

[*michaelsean*]

(01-29-2025, 02:07 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Im in.

I wanted them to trade up for Murphy last year. But they just continue to sit on their hands.

They already have a Murphy, Silly.

[pulses]

(01-29-2025, 06:35 PM)Sled21 Wrote: With this team's history of 1st round picks getting injured and not playing their first year? I'm a no...

With our new DC things are gonna change. No more playing vets over young guys just because he favors them.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(01-29-2025, 06:42 PM)DesertBengal Wrote: Moving up to a top 5 pick for Abdul Carter will be costly.

I do want the Bengals to be more aggressive in the draft though. Duke holds on to draft picks like they’re made out of gold but then proceeds to set half of them on fire with bad picks. I would prefer they have a couple less picks but are more aggressive to get the players they want.

A few years ago, there was a lot of smoke that the Bengals wanted George Karalaftis. Rather than wait for the “board to come to them, be aggressive, trade up and get your guy. Would you rather have Dax Hill + Zach Carter or Karalaftis? That’s what it would have cost to move up a couple of spots.

Even this past year with Kris Jenkins. I’m not saying Kris Jenkins is a bad player, but if the Bengals liked one of the other 2nd round DTs like J. Newton, T’Vondre Sweat, or B. Fiske better, they should try to move up and get them. I would have rather had Newton than K. Jenkins and Burton.

(01-29-2025, 07:18 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Sweat ended up having a very good season.  His name was brought up so many times in regards to the Bengals 2nd round pick.  I wonder if the Bengals would have taken him instead of Jenkins if had he fallen to the Bengals pick.

We're fine for run-stuffing DTs for the next 3-5 years, even if we lose BJ: Jenkins and McKinnley were fine and progressed as the year went on (don't forget that Jenkins played with a broken arm for 2/3 of the year), McKinnley may never be Reader level, but he got tremendous push all year and on a per snap basis, did just as well as Sweat, IMO (not stats-wise, performance-wise, per snap).

We need a pass rushing DT in the worst way, not a run stopping DT.

[*bfine32*]

(01-29-2025, 02:07 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Im in.

I wanted them to trade up for Murphy last year. But they just continue to sit on their hands.

Byron Murphy? No thanks 

Mims appears to be a better pick and Jenkins may be better than Murphy. 

[XsandOs]

(01-29-2025, 01:59 PM)MC Howley Wrote: With Joe Burrow, we are always going to be picking in this range when he is healthy..... 15th to 32nd, and there is no question about that.

What we all know we need.... is impact players, and we need them NOW.

If Abdul Carter really is a generational talent and a game changer like Micah Parsons, or there is someone else like that attainable in the top 10 who immediately becomes an impact player like Ja'Marr Chase was.... Why don't we trade a future first or this years second and this years first... and move up?

We never make those moves, and we need IMPACT PLAYERS.

What do you guys think?

No. Just NO.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-29-2025, 01:59 PM)MC Howley Wrote: Why don't we trade a future first or this years second and this years first... and move up?

The difference between our 17th overall pick on the trade chart and the 5th overall pick is 750. 

Our 2nd round pick is worth 410, our 2026 1st round pick is likely (lets assume the 25th pick, then decrease value by a round for it being a year in the future) worth 330.

So it would be more like our 1st, 2nd, and 6th round picks this year, AND our 1st round pick next year in order to get the 5th overall pick... probably more if the other team thinks we'd get later than the 25th pick next year (if they thought we'd be the 29th pick instead of the 25th, we'd need to add a 4th round pick).

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That's a lot for a guy who is probably a 3-4 OLB rather than a 4-3 DE.

I'd rather just pay Josh Sweat a bunch of money to come here and play opposite Hendrickson... and then still have our 1st and 2nd round pick (and our 1st next year) to add more players.

[TecmoBengals]

Duke needs to keep the picks to replace Burton and All.

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(01-29-2025, 06:42 PM)DesertBengal Wrote: Moving up to a top 5 pick for Abdul Carter will be costly.

I do want the Bengals to be more aggressive in the draft though. Duke holds on to draft picks like they’re made out of gold but then proceeds to set half of them on fire with bad picks. I would prefer they have a couple less picks but are more aggressive to get the players they want.

A few years ago, there was a lot of smoke that the Bengals wanted George Karalaftis. Rather than wait for the “board to come to them, be aggressive, trade up and get your guy. Would you rather have Dax Hill + Zach Carter or Karalaftis? That’s what it would have cost to move up a couple of spots.

Even this past year with Kris Jenkins. I’m not saying Kris Jenkins is a bad player, but if the Bengals liked one of the other 2nd round DTs like J. Newton, T’Vondre Sweat, or B. Fiske better, they should try to move up and get them. I would have rather had Newton than K. Jenkins and Burton.

Fiske turned out to have better season than all rookie DL last season.

[higgy100]

(01-29-2025, 05:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Just need to make the right picks. Mims was a good start last year and yeah, I wanted Murphy just as much, but Mims was great value
and he shown why. Did Byron even play well for a rookie? I didn't get to see him get much action when I watched Squawks games?

We only have 6 picks, need to make the best of them or even trade back to add some more. Not give up a bunch for one player that for
all we know might be a bust even if I like Abdul.

Agree with you. This is the year to trade back and get some extra picks both because they don't have nearly as many picks as they normally do but, mainly, they have holes at every level of the offense and defense other than QB, WR (depending what happens with Tee) and maybe S.Again, my honest opinion based on what I've seen the past couple of years:

-Got 2 "questionable" CB's as it is that are coming off injuries.
-Need to upgrade at LB. They haven't had an impact LB in 10 years that really put any fear into an opponent and someone they could line up everywhere and that had to be accounted for.
-DE- Signing Trey to a LT contract at 31 years old and banking on him to be even close to the performance as he was this year is asking alot as he's a liability in the run defense but, mainly, because unless they get somebody on the other side to take the attention away from Trey, well, this team can still finish 3rd in the division and NOT be saddled with huge $$$ going Trey's way. I know it's unpopular but we are talking about the Bengals here.
-DT- Going on multiple years now getting exposed in both defending the run game AND creating interior pressure on QB's. EVERY team, but maybe 3-4, are still looking at that 1/2 technique DT.
-RB-They need another big back that can take some carries away from Brown to keep him fresh and also a guy that can fall forward and get those tough 1-2 extra yards and also impose their will on a tired defense when having the lead. Having another big RB might also sway Z Taylor from continuing to abandon the run on 3rd/4th downs and not continue to throw deep fades on those downs.
IOL- For years the pressure up the middle has collapsed this OL and it's freaking time they do something about it. 
TE- Would love to get a talented TE that excels in both blocking anf getting downfield now that All is lost. I like MG alot and like some other pices but to get a guy that can be a 3 down TE would be great.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-03-2025, 11:06 AM)higgy100 Wrote: Agree with you. This is the year to trade back and get some extra picks both because they don't have nearly as many picks as they normally do but, mainly, they have holes at every level of the offense and defense other than QB, WR (depending what happens with Tee) and maybe S.Again, my honest opinion based on what I've seen the past couple of years:

-Got 2 "questionable" CB's as it is that are coming off injuries.
-Need to upgrade at LB. They haven't had an impact LB in 10 years that really put any fear into an opponent and someone they could line up everywhere and that had to be accounted for.
-DE- Signing Trey to a LT contract at 31 years old and banking on him to be even close to the performance as he was this year is asking alot as he's a liability in the run defense but, mainly, because unless they get somebody on the other side to take the attention away from Trey, well, this team can still finish 3rd in the division and NOT be saddled with huge $$$ going Trey's way. I know it's unpopular but we are talking about the Bengals here.
-DT- Going on multiple years now getting exposed in both defending the run game AND creating interior pressure on QB's. EVERY team, but maybe 3-4, are still looking at that 1/2 technique DT.
-RB-They need another big back that can take some carries away from Brown to keep him fresh and also a guy that can fall forward and get those tough 1-2 extra yards and also impose their will on a tired defense when having the lead. Having another big RB might also sway Z Taylor from continuing to abandon the run on 3rd/4th downs and not continue to throw deep fades on those downs.
IOL- For years the pressure up the middle has collapsed this OL and it's freaking time they do something about it. 
TE- Would love to get a talented TE that excels in both blocking anf getting downfield now that All is lost. I like MG alot and like some other pices but to get a guy that can be a 3 down TE would be great.

We have some holes alright, but as long as we extend Ja'Marr and Trey we have 2 top players at their positions as long as Trey doesn't
start to fall off. He has shown no signs of falling as a pass rusher at all. Might be the one thing I disagree with you here Higgy, need to 
extend Trey, he works his ass off. I know he is not the best run stopper, but you keep our one great pass rusher.

Dax and Turner looked good to me this season, might not be as bad at Corner as we think. A healthy Logan Wilson with a new LB coach
could also make LB look better this year while adding a good one and maybe letting Pratt go.

The Defensive coaches being better is what I am hanging my hat on. Same with the new OL coach and DL coach and adding players to 
both sides of the trenches. You are right, need to trade back if anything this Draft and get some more picks.

[higgy100]

(02-03-2025, 02:44 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: We have some holes alright, but as long as we extend Ja'Marr and Trey we have 2 top players at their positions as long as Trey doesn't
start to fall off. He has shown no signs of falling as a pass rusher at all. Might be the one thing I disagree with you here Higgy, need to 
extend Trey, he works his ass off. I know he is not the best run stopper, but you keep our one great pass rusher.

Dax and Turner looked good to me this season, might not be as bad at Corner as we think. A healthy Logan Wilson with a new LB coach
could also make LB look better this year while adding a good one and maybe letting Pratt go.

The Defensive coaches being better is what I am hanging my hat on. Same with the new OL coach and DL coach and adding players to 
both sides of the trenches. You are right, need to trade back if anything this Draft and get some more picks.

Agree with you on Trey but just playing devils advocate, as I love the guy but these are really hard decisions that teams make that are as business-like/frugile as the Bengals are.They can still come in 3rd place with Trey having a great year IF no help is there but could save lots of $$$ for other holes to fill IF they will spend to do that and not just put those $$ on the bottom line. 

Now, IF, he was a TJ Watt that lines up all over the field and a player that teams have to scheme for 3 downs then no doubt BUT Trey, as great as he is, is rather one-dimensional and I guess the real question is does anybody really think Cinci. is going to help Trey out by lining somebody opposite of him?

You're correct that the elephant in the room is the new DC and defensive coaches and putting these guys in better spots to succeed and simplifying the scheme, if needed, which is exactly what Golden is known for. Get those LB's playing the way they did in the SB season.