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[sandwedge]

(01-31-2025, 10:01 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I can tell some of you take goodberry's words as gospel. Dont do that. The bengals dont HAVE to lead the league in pass attempts. Its ok to run the ball more and play defense

You are my new best friend! Goodberry's takes are crap. 

I see a lot of people have already forgotten about Chase Brown already. He is a weapon in the backfield and in my world, defenses don't want to see this guy in the open field.

[NUGDUKWE]

(01-31-2025, 10:01 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I can tell some of you take goodberry's words as gospel. Dont do that. The bengals dont HAVE to lead the league in pass attempts. Its ok to run the ball more and play defense

Well i am a fan of Goodberry and while I agree with most of his takes and find the way he uses pff and other data points very interesting. I don't take what he says as the gospel. But he doesn't say we have to throw it the most in the league. I'm curious what part of Zacs time here points that he wants a running game to be anything more than a compliment to the passing game? Surely not after the season Burrow just had you think we are gonna start to lean on the run game? 

The point on resigning Higgins I agree with Goodberry is that it's hard to get really good players in your building. That there are alot of ways to build a successful team and you can't just have a set model. Because if you only value certain positions but then hit on players outside of your model and let them walk. Then you only add to the list of positions you need to try and get a really good player. The Bengals have been to set in there model of roster and contracts for too long. Break the model of only 1 high paid receiver because that's what are team has right now and stop worrying about the future on contracts. Pay the players you have now and figure the future out when you get there.

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-01-2025, 02:51 PM)sandwedge Wrote: You are my new best friend! Goodberry's takes are crap. 

I see a lot of people have already forgotten about Chase Brown already. He is a weapon in the backfield and in my world, defenses don't want to see this guy in the open field.

I'm curious if you could give an example of a crap take? Not trying to argue just genuinely curious what position he has taken that you disagree with. Outside of the current Higgins contract I would say.

[samhain]

(01-31-2025, 10:01 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I can tell some of you take goodberry's words as gospel. Dont do that. The bengals dont HAVE to lead the league in pass attempts. Its ok to run the ball more and play defense

He's my least favorite Bengal podcaster.  His cosplay Tony Stark intro is annoying as shit.  Almost as annoying as Dehner's intro songs  Almost as annoying as the Power Ranger Helmet that Rapien insists on having behind him during his show.

I prefer my sports reporters to be dudes that look like they just came off a bender at the dog track.  

The others can get off my lawn.

[SladeX]

We don’t need Tee nearly as badly as we need to upgrade the IOL.

[NUGDUKWE]

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— Andy (@flamcheesy) February 2, 2025

At the end of the video Burrow is talking about being able to sign everyone. Perhaps not too much to take from it but he does say the "players want to make it happen and all stay together".

[Bengalbug]

(01-30-2025, 11:25 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Goodberry follows analytics. Analytics say pass the ball

but honest question to you, does the success of the chiefs and bills with their lack of elite weaponry just go over your head?

even if the bengals dont sign Tee, they would still have Jamarr, which is better than any weapon KC or buffalo has. Which in theory should give the bengals the privlige to allocate more money to the rest of this terrible bengals roster

The chiefs and bills have good talent (impact) in other areas of their football team. Draft and develop well, and in 2-3 years maybe Tee isn’t a top 4 player on the team (the drop off is steep after him).

Meanwhile chiefs have to trade good corners because they’re drafting so well.

Apples and oranges.

[Bengalbug]

(01-31-2025, 05:15 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's the practical line of thinking that would improve the team in ways that retaining a weapon can not. Of course Zeitler would likely be a short term option due to his age, but if they draft his next in line this year, it could work out well. If you take those "few bucks left over" and add a few more to them, and they could add a very capable WR like Darius Slayton for about $16M/per (according to Spotrac).

Slayton would be the highest paid receiver in the NFL to never have 1,000 yards in a season. PS, he has never had 800. This is the type of contract where you pay above market for middling production. You don’t replace one good/near elite player with two average.

Slayton is Zack Moss.

Slayton ranked 91/98 as far as PFF grade in 2024, for whatever that’s worth. He is more like a WR4, rather than a WR2

[Bengalbug]

(01-31-2025, 09:02 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I mean, it’s the Bills defense that blows it for them. Josh Allen actually performs better in the playoffs than he does in the regular season

I’m astonished so many people think the bills’ and bengals’ problem is not having enough weapons lol

The bengals problem is they can’t draft/develop and retain players. So let’s take the 3rd best drafted player since 2020 and let him walk. It worked wonders with Jessie bates.

[Housh]

Hobson said we have 7 dollars somehow

[ERIC1]

(01-30-2025, 11:14 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I'm in the "pay tee his money camp". Goodberry just had a good point of can the Bengals better spend the Tee money this offseason in a way that would be more impactful? The chances are low that we could get player or players that would have the impact he can have for us. I also don't think we can compare teams to say what exactly is a winning formula. The style offense the Bengals run of let Burrow drop back and distribute the ball you need receivers. Sign Tee try and add a guard in free agency and then see if we can fix the defense thru the draft and maybe some other FAs. With the way Burrow and Co. are playing we are in a win now window.

I am in the camp that you dont pay Higgins simply because he is often injured  and the Bengals have way too many holes to fill..And if the organization cant find a couple of receivers that can run routes and catch a football..the we are in deep dog doo doo

[ERIC1]

(02-01-2025, 09:28 PM)SladeX Wrote: We don’t need Tee nearly as badly as we need to upgrade the IOL.

and defensive line and linebackers

[ERIC1]

(02-01-2025, 03:42 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Well i am a fan of Goodberry and while I agree with most of his takes and find the way he uses pff and other data points very interesting. I don't take what he says as the gospel. But he doesn't say we have to throw it the most in the league. I'm curious what part of Zacs time here points that he wants a running game to be anything more than a compliment to the passing game? Surely not after the season Burrow just had you think we are gonna start to lean on the run game? 

The point on resigning Higgins I agree with Goodberry is that it's hard to get really good players in your building. That there are alot of ways to build a successful team and you can't just have a set model. Because if you only value certain positions but then hit on players outside of your model and let them walk. Then you only add to the list of positions you need to try and get a really good player. The Bengals have been to set in there model of roster and contracts for too long. Break the model of only 1 high paid receiver because that's what are team has right now and stop worrying about the future on contracts. Pay the players you have now and figure the future out when you get there.

it is not hard to get really good players in the building if your scouting dept is robust enough and you have coaches that can develop said players.. would you pay burrow 50 million a year if you knew he was going to miss 5-6 games a year....ANNNNNNND..he would ..because of his chronic injury..only play half a game in another 4-5 games..doubt it..

[ERIC1]

(01-31-2025, 07:42 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: See dream scenarios is where I don't want to live. Yes the Bengals could add players that have a bigger impact than Tee potentionally but the odds are low that we make that happen. But letting Tee go and now that has to happen because you've added a major early need to the draft. You can't let Tee walk and not go all in on free agency which I think we might all over value to some extent due to the success we had for a few years. But we have had back to back bad free agencies. To me I think signing the big 3 and seeing what else we can make happen in FA before the draft is our best option. 

if the chronically injured Tee Higgins is on this team next year @ 23-25 million a year..expect more .500 seasons

[Nicomo Cosca]

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-05-2025, 08:09 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: I am in the camp that you dont pay Higgins simply because he is often injured  and the Bengals have way too many holes to fill..And if the organization cant find a couple of receivers that can run routes and catch a football..the we are in deep dog doo doo

It's not that easy to find receivers and certainly not of Tee's level. Look at the two teams in the superbowl. Probably the two best FOs in the league and they struggle at finding WR outside of bringing in FAs. The Steelers once upon a time couldn't miss now all they get is head cases. 

Signing Tee and the defense needs to get marginally better letting him walk and you better get a whole lot better. Bottom line for me is Burrow wants him here. As much as we ask him to do just get him what he wants.

[BenZoo2]

(02-05-2025, 01:20 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Slayton would be the highest paid receiver in the NFL to never have 1,000 yards in a season. PS, he has never had 800.  This is the type of contract where you pay above market for middling production.  You don’t replace one good/near elite player with two average.

Slayton is Zack Moss.

Slayton ranked 91/98 as far as PFF grade in 2024, for whatever that’s worth.  He is more like a WR4, rather than a WR2

Do you think that’s a reflection of him as a player, or the system he’s in?  Would playing with burrow and opposite chase make things better for him?

[Bengalbug]

(02-05-2025, 10:04 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Do you think that’s a reflection of him as a player, or the system he’s in?  Would playing with burrow and opposite chase make things better for him?

It might make him better, but I don’t see an improvement that would justify that investment. Tyler Lockett, for example, would bring similar if not better results on a cheaper contract.