Vet or high draft pick to replace Hubbard?

[Bengalbug]

(03-06-2025, 01:22 PM)Synric Wrote: Josh Sweat was playing solid in Philly 3 or 4 seasons before Carter, Phillips, Smith were drafted. 

I would agree. But do you want to be paying top end money, for solid play? Honestly, he is a slightly better version of prime Hubbard. He will be paid at a much higher value.

Same goes for guys like Slayton.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-06-2025, 01:26 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: re: Joey Bosa - I wonder what his market will be. He hasn't produced a lot of sacks over past 3 years.

He hasn't played in many games, either. He's played in just 28 of 52 games the past 3 seasons.

[WeezyBengal]

I am out on Bosa. I want to get younger at the position.

[*Synric*]

I wouldn't hate Joey Bosa at the right price but it would have to be similar to the Trent Brown/Amarius Mims situation. Bosa being a placeholder until he's injured for a high draft pick.

[THE PISTONS]

(03-06-2025, 01:37 PM)Synric Wrote: I wouldn't hate Joey Bosa at the right price but it would have to be similar to the Trent Brown/Amarius Mims situation. Bosa being a placeholder until he's injured for a high draft pick.

The interesting thing is that he's like 29. I wonder what the right price was? I was thinking he probably gets $30 million a year. Then, I looked at his stats.


He's probably more like a $15-18 million a year guy. And that might be a lot of money for something that isn't a sure thing.

[c766]

Dayo Odeyingbo is a player to target.

Khali Mack on a 2 year deal too....he wants to win a SB

[THE PISTONS]

Mack is like 35. I wonder when his play is going to fall off a cliff?

[*Synric*]

(03-06-2025, 01:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The interesting thing is that he's like 29. I wonder what the right price was? I was thinking he probably gets $30 million a year. Then, I looked at his stats.


He's probably more like a $15-18 million a year guy. And that might be a lot of money for something that isn't a sure thing.

Joey Bosa a one year deal guy. Injuries have likely crushed any possibility of him signing a multi-year deal. 1 year 10-12m would be my guess.

[*ochocincos*]

(03-06-2025, 01:00 PM)Synric Wrote: Top Dollar for Edge Defenders is now 35m aav and Sweat will likely be around 20-22m aav. 3 years 60m would be cap hits of like 15, 20, 25m and the third year would be an option year.

Or...utilize void year(s) to help spread the cap hit out.

[*Synric*]

(03-06-2025, 01:30 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: I would agree.  But do you want to be paying top end money, for solid play?  Honestly, he is a slightly better version of prime Hubbard. He will be paid at a much higher value.  

Same goes for guys like Slayton.

Josh Sweat would bring much needed stability to the LDE and open up thr draft for the Bengals. It would also allow them to look at different types of pass rushers like Jalon Walker. 

[THE PISTONS]

(03-06-2025, 01:47 PM)Synric Wrote: Joey Bosa a one year deal guy. Injuries have likely crushed any possibility of him signing a multi-year deal. 1 year 10-12m would be my guess.

I think I'd totally be in for a 1 year deal at that.

I'd probably be interested in Chase Young on a short deal too. Like I know he's not going to be a dominant star, but he's still young. (pun intended.)

[THE PISTONS]

IF Hendrickson was a free agent from another team, would you sign him for $38 million a year on a 4 year deal?

How about IF Tee? Would you sign him for $30 million a year?

How about Chase for $38 million a year?

I feel like Chase is the one we'd want. We'd probably be leery of Tee and Hendrickson for those amounts.

[c766]

(03-06-2025, 01:43 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Mack is like 35. I wonder when his play is going to fall off a cliff?

I know...And I get it....but he still has gas in the tank, and would not cost a ton. 

There is Risk....but he fits the Calais Campbell Profile....I think he has a few good seasons left if used the right way. 

Good for 6-8 sacks next year.....

[c766]

(03-06-2025, 01:49 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think I'd totally be in for a 1 year deal at that.

I'd probably be interested in Chase Young on a short deal too. Like I know he's not going to be a dominant star, but he's still young. (pun intended.)

Young would not be horrendous.  They need some big help....If they do a take a 1 year flier on a Bosa or Young, a team or mutual Y2 option (At a larger number to incent Y1 Production) would be wise. 

[Bengalbug]

(03-06-2025, 01:51 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: IF Hendrickson was a free agent from another team, would you sign him for $38 million a year on a 4 year deal?

How about IF Tee? Would you sign him for $30 million a year?

How about Chase for $38 million a year?

I feel like Chase is the one we'd want. We'd probably be leery of Tee and Hendrickson for those amounts.

Hendrickson would get 30+ in AAV in free agency, so would Tee.

[THE PISTONS]

(03-06-2025, 02:09 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Hendrickson would get 30+ in AAV in free agency, so would Tee.

Yes. I just doubt we'd be the ones to give them it...if they were on other teams.

We'd shy away from Trey's age. And we'd shy away from Tee's injury history. That's my guess.

[c766]

Hendrickson reminds me a lot of the Tyreke hill KC play.


Or cardinals Pujols. Savvy and sustainable Teams know when to capitalize on return vs age and future production

[coachmcneil71]

(03-06-2025, 12:55 PM)ochocincos Wrote: So Ossai (or of the like), Murphy, and the draft pick competing for starting role/significant snaps or in a heavy rotation?
Would the vet only be signed for 1 year?
Because if you sign a vet for multiple years plus want to see if Murphy is worth a damn AND invest a 1st or 2nd round pick, that's a lot of capital for limited snaps for some/all of them.

That's why I did not propose someone like Ossai plus a high draft pick, as I would have to imagine Ossai would want to go to a place that gives him best chance to start or play 500+ snaps.
And if Ossai were to play 500+ snaps for the Bengals, that'd basically relegate Murphy and a high draft pick to sub-400 snaps for the next 1-2 years.

Nice thread btw! I guess it all boils down to how much trust they have in Murphy. Maybe they will finally get the training wheels off of him. If he produces then everything is tits! If he doesn't we could still sign a vet edge guy, but it would most likely be a 2nd-3rd tier type of guy that late in the game. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-06-2025, 11:17 AM)ochocincos Wrote: With Hubbard retiring and Ossai hitting FA, that leaves just Myles Murphy, Cedric Johnson, and Isaiah Thomas as the only DEs apart from Hendrickson.
At least one DE, if not multiple, will be added this offseason to cover for the departures, potentially one who would/could be thrust into a starting role.

So my question for you is...given this draft class and pool of FAs, would you rather see Hubbard's starting DE spot filled with a vet? Or would you rather see a high draft pick compete with Murphy for the spot?

When I look at the vets on the table that I think Bengals would consider, two names pop out to me - Chase Young and newly-released Joey Bosa.
Bosa isn't quite the savage pass rusher he was entering the league, but he's still solid. On top of that, he and his brother are friends with Burrow.
Young I believe is also friends with Burrow from their time at Ohio St, and Young is younger. Chase Young only turns 26 this April, so he's just entering his prime.
He hasn't to-date put up production like Bosa had though.

For draft picks, I look at guys like James Pearce Jr. (whom the Bengals met with at the Combine), Nic Scourton, and some other 1st rounders.
JPJ is more fitting of a weak-side DE who can be a double-digit sack artist, whereas I see Scourton more as a guy like Dunlap who will more likely be in the 7-9 range most years but better against the run.
Someone like Shemar Stewart isn't as well refined, but his ceiling may be higher than both of the above guys. I've seen a Stewart comp of Jadeveon Clowney, which I feel is pretty close. Clowney never amounted to what we would expect a 1st overall pick to be and savage pass rusher, but he was a good DE who has 11 years in the league.

Which way do you lean to cover starting DE duties opposite of Hendrickson for 2025?

I would bring back Ossai and sign Josh Sweat. If we extend Trey I think we are better off by a good amount and this allows Murphy
and Cedric Johnson (who I liked) to develop. Both are young and Murphy needs to lose some weight and learn to finish and we go 
from an okay End room to a top 10 at least. Montgomery our new DL coach could help and we could add an End in this Draft. 

I like James Pearce's game, but he has character concerns, Scourton or Shemar Stewart seem more likely if we want an End in the
first round. Still like Kennard in the mid rounds who was dominant every time I watched South Carolina.

[*rfaulk34*]

(03-06-2025, 01:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The interesting thing is that he's like 29. I wonder what the right price was? I was thinking he probably gets $30 million a year. Then, I looked at his stats.


He's probably more like a $15-18 million a year guy. And that might be a lot of money for something that isn't a sure thing.

I'd give him 15 bucks and a bag of oranges.