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(03-06-2025, 06:51 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote:
This would be great for a re-building defense.
I think we can assume that they will do their best to bring back Ossai, but I won't hold my breath. We both know that pass rushers get the dough thrown at them. We'll have to see if the Bengals match it. I could easily see a scenario where they lowball him and he rolls on to greener pastures. Ben Franklin green!
We will see, I am not too worried about it. We have plenty of money to offer Ossai and he shouldn't be too spendy anyways. We
could also bring back BJ Hill if we want. But man, with Trey as a trade piece we could actually get an elite player like Jonathan Allen.
This is not all bad like some are making it out to be. Could of been bad if we paid Trey 35 mil per year and he started falling off.
(03-06-2025, 06:57 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Well they’ve dumped a bunch of salary so far. No reason the can’t sign both receivers and some quality FAs. They owe like three people money now.
Yep, we can make a ton of moves with all the salary that was dumped between Rankins and Cappa being cut and now maybe a
Trey trade on the horizon.
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This all goes back to the lack of a sugar daddy and lack of loads of free cash. If they can't find a way to get Tee and/or Chase to go deals with split up guarantees or something to spread the hit they won't be able to play in Free Agency either.
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(03-06-2025, 06:59 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: True but what if the Bengals don't match their offer? Do they have to? They DID give Trey permission to seek a trade.
No they don’t have to do anything.
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(03-06-2025, 06:59 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: True but what if the Bengals don't match their offer? Do they have to? They DID give Trey permission to seek a trade.
That's not how that works. Any team interested makes the Bengals a trade offer and the Bengals can accept it or turn it down. There is nothing to match. Example a team can offer the Bengals a 2nd round pick. The Bengals can take it or decline it. They don't have to match anything.
What it does allow for Trey is for he and his agent to seek out trades from teams he may be more interested in playing for. That way he has a bit more say in where he might end up as opposed to the Bengals just trading him to whatever team. Technically the Bengals could still do that but they are putting it up to Trey and his agent to do the work and let Trey test his market value. He and his agent will want to have some agreement with any teams they talk to about a trade that there will be a pay raise/contract extension with that team if the Bengals accept the trade offer.
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(03-06-2025, 07:06 PM)Joelist Wrote: This all goes back to the lack of a sugar daddy and lack of loads of free cash. If they can't find a way to get Tee and/or Chase to go deals with split up guarantees or something to spread the hit they won't be able to play in Free Agency either.
Once they scrounge up that money for guaranteed money, the big time players are now largely accounted for money wise meaning they should have a lot more available cash at the end of each season.
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(03-06-2025, 07:01 PM)Au165 Wrote: I think the Falcons or Commanders get it done, but I lean towards the Falcons. They have been desperate for a pass rusher and have had no luck to this point.
It would be interesting to see about getting Kyle Pitts back with a mid round pick to go with him. Pitts has one year left to prove he can do something and I think the upside is there especially in our offense. Everyone will immediately jump to the Commanders and Jonathan Allen which does make some sense but I think he gets cut and takes a lower contract then his current one. If not, I'd be open to it but I'd still want another pick back probably later.
The concern I have with Jonathan Allen is his numbers have been down the last 2 years and he is now 30 years old. I would rather sign Milton Williams who is 25 coming off his rookie contract and appears to have an upward trajectory.
I would not trade Hendrickson for Pitts and a mid round pick. That's not enough value in return for the NFL's sack leader. Pitts by himself would garner what in a trade? Maybe a mid round pick? You would essentially be trading Hendrickson for 2 mid round picks.
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(03-06-2025, 07:11 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: That's not how that works. Any team interested makes the Bengals a trade offer and the Bengals can accept it or turn it down. There is nothing to match. Example a team can offer the Bengals a 2nd round pick. The Bengals can take it or decline it. They don't have to match anything.
Okay...Thanks.
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(03-06-2025, 07:11 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: That's not how that works. Any team interested makes the Bengals a trade offer and the Bengals can accept it or turn it down. There is nothing to match. Example a team can offer the Bengals a 2nd round pick. The Bengals can take it or decline it. They don't have to match anything.
George knows what's up, this is how it works.
(03-06-2025, 07:14 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The concern I have with Jonathan Allen is his numbers have been down the last 2 years and he is now 30 years old. I would rather sign Milton Williams who is 25 coming off his rookie contract and appears to have an upward trajectory.
I would not trade Hendrickson for Pitts and a mid round pick. That's not enough value in return for the NFL's sack leader. Pitts by himself would garner what in a trade? Maybe a mid round pick? You would essentially be trading Hendrickson for 2 mid round picks.
Good point on Allen being a little older and his numbers being down, but he still looked really good to me last year when I watched him
and in the Playoffs. We would need more than a mid round pick and Pitts for Trey that is for sure. Agree on Milton Williams, he is younger
and we should have plenty of money to sign him and Josh Sweat with all the salary that has been freed up.
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Trey is my favorite Bengal, and I'd love to find a way to resign from him, but business is business. It's business 101: buy low, sell high.
The team is doing right by Trey by allowing this.
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I think they are being fair to Trey with a Hail Mary prayer that he gets only offers close to what they can afford. It’s obvious he wants too much that they can pay in order to keep Tee & Chase. Duke said we can’t pay for the #1 at 3 position groups and apparently none are budging. You can debate Tee vs Trey and that would be a toughie. Obviously Joe & Chase’s opinion comes into play. A lot would be solved if of the last 4 drafts you mostly missed on your top 3 picks. Who have they hit on? Chase & Mims. CTB & Dax sort of? That’s a poor hit rate.
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What about a deal with the falcons?
Falcons get: Trey
Bengals get: Matthew Bergeron (G) and a 4th this year #117 or
Ruke orhorohoro(dt) and a 2nd #46.
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(03-06-2025, 06:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Man, I know Trey was by far our best pass rusher but if we can get a good End like Josh Sweat and Draft well this Defense could be much
better under Al Golden. We don't know what Trey could fetch in a trade, could really help the team, we don't know anything yet.
Yep. Crosby contract crushed us. It seems the reality is that only teams with QBs on rookie contracts or teams with bad cheap QBs can afford to pay this much. I want to keep Trey. This might be the right move considering the cost if we get great draft picks. Unfortunately we don’t draft well.
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Im not going to crap on the guy just because he’s probably going elsewhere. I will miss Trey and loved watching his effort/production since they signed him. He’s not the best vs the run but getting after the QB is what gets you paid these days and it’s a passing league. He has a very desirable talent that they are not going to replace with just one guy. They need to get 2 good pass rushing ends to replace the great one who’s leaving.
I think the issue is that whether you agree with this decision or not, no Bengals fan has any faith that this front office will take the r necessary steps to keep improving the team. They could trade Tee and Trey and make their team better but I have no faith that they would sign the necessary guys to make that happen.
They will start Murphy and whoever they draft at the end positions instead of signing a (couple of?) vet to help with the rush. I think they will for sure take an edge rusher in round one so they have tipped their hand there.
I really hope they prove me wrong and change the way they do business but they have done nothing to make me think that they will.
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(03-06-2025, 06:06 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: He was 65.1 last year against the run and I think that grade is really generous.
Sure, Trey was known for his 57 sacks in 4 seasons with the Bengals, but in the same time span he also logged 56 TFL, and 112 QB hits when not making the sack. There's no way to rationalize his likely departure away with "well, he wasn't that good against the run". As noted by his snap counts, they don't ask him to defend the run that often because you want your best pass rusher fresh to do what he does best.
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(03-06-2025, 05:43 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Narrator: It was at that point, Mike Brown said, "hold my beer".
My thoughts exactly.....
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(03-06-2025, 07:27 PM)schroomytunes Wrote: What about a deal with the falcons?
Falcons get: Trey
Bengals get: Matthew Bergeron (G) and a 4th this year #117 or
Ruke orhorohoro(dt) and a 2nd #46.
Not bad Schroomy, not bad at all.
(03-06-2025, 07:28 PM)Boomer Anderson Wrote: Yep. Crosby contract crushed us. It seems the reality is that only teams with QBs on rookie contracts or teams with bad cheap QBs can afford to pay this much. I want to keep Trey. This might be the right move considering the cost if we get great draft picks. Unfortunately we don’t draft well.
We will see, this is actually a very good Draft for DL, so we could get some no brainer picks to go our way like Mims last year for the OL.
Need to take advantage of whatever we can get and we all love Trey, but what is best for him and is best for the Bengals is what we all want
in the end. He has a ton of value just leading the league in sacks. We haven't even hit FA yet and have tons of money to make a ton of moves
to improve the team.
Could of bit us in the ass if we paid him what he wants and he started to fall off as he is getting older.
(03-06-2025, 07:30 PM)pally Wrote:
Whit is right as usual.
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(03-06-2025, 07:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure, Trey was known for his 57 sacks in 4 seasons with the Bengals, but in the same time span he also logged 56 TFL, and 112 QB hits when not making the sack. There's no way to rationalize his likely departure away with "well, he wasn't that good against the run". As noted by his snap counts, they don't ask him to defend the run that often because you want your best pass rusher fresh to do what he does best.
Cannot argue with any of that Sunset but you cannot say he was a good run stopper either. Trey wants Maxx Crosby type money and that is
crazy with his age and the fact he doesn't play nearly as many snaps and he isn't a good run stopper, just the bottom line.
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(03-06-2025, 07:29 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: Im not going to crap on the guy just because he’s probably going elsewhere. I will miss Trey and loved watching his effort/production since they signed him. He’s not the best vs the run but getting after the QB is what gets you paid these days and it’s a passing league. He has a very desirable talent that they are not going to replace with just one guy. They need to get 2 good pass rushing ends to replace the great one who’s leaving.
I think the issue is that whether you agree with this decision or not, no Bengals fan has any faith that this front office will take the r necessary steps to keep improving the team. They could trade Tee and Trey and make their team better but I have no faith that they would sign the necessary guys to make that happen.
They will start Murphy and whoever they draft at the end positions instead of signing a (couple of?) vet to help with the rush. I think they will for sure take an edge rusher in round one so they have tipped their hand there.
I really hope they prove me wrong and change the way they do business but they have done nothing to make me think that they will.
This .....this is what really concerns me.
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Its the same posters over and over constantly agreeing with Troy and Katie's moves to let proven guys walk lol
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