BREAKING: Bengals give Trey Hendrickson permission to be traded

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(03-06-2025, 06:26 PM)Stewy Wrote: In the previous defense.......

Golden produces pressure with his linebackers, stunting and twisting and mis-direction, while his DL pushes the pocket into the QB to keep him from escaping.  He doesn't count on generating pressure from the DE.

Very fair point....so they need to upgrade the LB position. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-06-2025, 07:49 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Its the same posters over and over constantly agreeing with Troy and Katie's moves to let proven guys walk lol

How are they letting Trey walk?

They are giving him permission to seek a trade because he wants more money than they are willing to give.

I didn't like them letting DJ walk last year, but this is completely different. Trey is under contract.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-06-2025, 07:50 PM)Wyche Wrote: Very fair point....so they need to upgrade the LB position. 

Yep, different Defense than Lou's for sure. This is why Pratt will be traded as well. Going to be interesting seeing how all this turns out.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(03-06-2025, 07:31 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure, Trey was known for his 57 sacks in 4 seasons with the Bengals, but in the same time span he also logged 56 TFL, and 112 QB hits when not making the sack. There's no way to rationalize his likely departure away with "well, he wasn't that good against the run". As noted by his snap counts, they don't ask him to defend the run that often because you want your best pass rusher fresh to do what he does best.

I'm on team "extend Hendrickson, dumbass Bengals"... but that's not really what that means. Most of the time a sack is also a TFL and a QB Hit. I think there's some specific situation where you can get a sack but not a TFL (I believe it's if the sack is at the LoS and if you split the sack because two guys can't each get a TFL) but it's almost always paired together. Sacks I am pretty sure are always QB Hits.

You'll note that in 2024 for instance...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HendTr00/gamelog/2024/
...any game where he has a sack/sacks, he has an equal number of TFL and at least that many QB Hits except when he has split the sack.

The Raiders game for instance for further proof of this he had 4 solo/0 assisted tackles, while having 4.0 sacks and 4 TFL. If they were separate stats, he would have had 8 tackles.

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On the year he had 17.5 sacks, with at least 1.5 of them coming from 3 instances of 0.5. That's 19. He also had 19 TFL. That's a total of 38 now. That means he'd have only had 8 total tackles that WEREN'T sacks or for loss the entire year (which we all know isn't the case).

[Essex Johnson]

(03-06-2025, 05:26 PM)Trademark Wrote: Apparently they are working on extensions for Tee and Ja'Marr...

Can't wait to watch the defense give up 80 points a game

well this is what we get with Burrow pressuring keep the band together on offense, maybe we will get a nice trade for tre and at least pick up a DE in free agency

[SunsetBengal]

(03-06-2025, 07:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cannot argue with any of that Sunset but you cannot say he was a good run stopper either. Trey wants Maxx Crosby type money and that is 
crazy with his age and the fact he doesn't play nearly as many snaps and he isn't a good run stopper, just the bottom line.

I get what you're saying, he's a little older than Crosby, you don't want Trey out there as a 3 down guy at his age. However, it's not like he "sucks" at defending the run, as evidenced by his TFL total, that just about matches his sack total. Sure, teams are going to sneak runs at him because they know the down and distance situation and know he's coming for the QB.

To put it in a different context, Sam Hubbard is widely regarded as being tough versus the run. In Sam's 7 year career, he accumulated exactly 55 TFL, just one less than Trey did over the past 4 years with the Bengals.

[Frank Booth]

(03-06-2025, 07:55 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: How are they letting Trey walk?

They are giving him permission to seek a trade because he wants more money than they are willing to give.

I didn't like them letting DJ walk last year, but this is completely different. Trey is under contract.

you know what I mean. The pff grades always get brought up when defending the front office during stuff like the reader situation, bates situation, and now the hendrickson situation

[SunsetBengal]

If people thought that I was upset over the Bengals letting Jesse Bates walk, this one really takes the cake, in my book.

[*ochocincos*]

It's crazy to think Bengals could potentially have an ENTIRELY new starting DL come 2026, if not 2025.

[BrownAssClown]

(03-06-2025, 07:30 PM)pally Wrote:

Why is everyone so dramatic ??

A player demands to be paid X. I don’t feel good about paying X. I say well I hold your rights. So if X will only make you happy. Go out there explore your real options. Come back to be with the number other teams are willing to pay you,…

— Andrew Whitworth (@AndrewWhitworth) March 6, 2025

What if another team tells Trey we'll pay you more than the Bengals are paying you and extend you to boot? That team makes the Bengals a trade deal that the Bengals turn down. The Bengals tell Trey, sorry, we're keeping you and we are NOT going to match that offer the other team made to you. Not good. Let's hope that Trey doesn't get any insane offers or the Bengals get a good trade offer. This is a good way for the team to gauge the market for Trey but it could also blow up in their faces. I hope it works out for the team and Trey. Maybe the team can just rework Trey's remaining year here with a fair and decent pay raise but even that would probably not be doable for Trey and his agent seeing that Trey would hit the market another year older next year.
 

[Au165]

(03-06-2025, 08:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If people thought that I was upset over the Bengals letting Jesse Bates walk, this one really takes the cake, in my book.

Honestly, Bates was an orders magnitude bigger mistake letting leave because of his age. As I’ve mentioned multiple times here there is a very real probability that Hendricksons production over the next 3 years drops dramatically to not be nearly worth the deal he gets looking at historical data. Could he be the outlier? Maybe but between production and injury data for pass rushers over 30, not wanting to roll the dice here is actually understandable. It’s made worse by the lack of our ability to find someone with him let alone replace him, but that shouldn’t force another bad decision.

[Ell Prez]

This happened last year and he didn’t get traded
. If we get an offer too good to pass, then take it. If he leaves, there’s a lot of FA DE out there. I love Hendrickson. One of my favorite bengals. But we sucked on defense with him, and he has some blame because he’s one dimensional. I still don’t want to lose him, but if we do, so be it. Maybe we can go get 2 DE that each get 8 sacks but can actually stop the run. Which has been a major issue.

I’m not in favor of getting rid of him and the replacement is a rookie. No, we need a FA

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

Another thing to consider, if he leaves, you have to replace two DEs this off-season. I guess they have a plan, but boy, it sure looks like a helluva lot of work to get done for a FO notorious for dragging its feet.

[*ochocincos*]

(03-06-2025, 08:04 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: What if another team tells Trey we'll pay you more than the Bengals are paying you and extend you to boot? That team makes the Bengals a trade deal that the Bengals turn down. The Bengals tell Trey, sorry, we're keeping you and we are NOT going to match that offer the other team made to you. Not good. Let's hope that Trey doesn't get any insane offers or the Bengals get a good trade offer. This is a good way for the team to gauge the market for Trey but it could also blow up in their faces. I hope it works out for the team and Trey. Maybe the team can just rework Trey's remaining year here with a fair and decent pay raise but even that would probably not be doable for Trey and his agent seeing that Trey would hit the market another year older next year.
 

I feel like I can guarantee Bengals will ONLY accept a 1st round pick to be willing to trade Hendrickson, if not more.

This feels like another example of a player instead going to play out their contract only to get hopefully a mid-round comp pick.

[BrownAssClown]

(03-06-2025, 08:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I feel like I can guarantee Bengals will ONLY accept a 1st round pick to be willing to trade Hendrickson, if not more.

This feels like another example of a player instead going to play out their contract only to get hopefully a mid-round comp pick.

I wonder if Trey would even show up to play the final year of his contract if no deal is reached. I hope something gets done one way or another. 

[007BengalsFan]

(03-06-2025, 08:22 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I feel like I can guarantee Bengals will ONLY accept a 1st round pick to be willing to trade Hendrickson, if not more.

This feels like another example of a player instead going to play out their contract only to get hopefully a mid-round comp pick.

When the Bengals told Hendrickson he could talk to other teams I hope they made it 100% clear that whatever team he talks to, they need to give the Bengals a 1st round draft pick for the trade.  This way Hendrickson cant get mad if he comes back with a 2nd or 3rd round pick offer and the Bengals dont take it.  The parameters should have been clearly set for Hendrickson when they gave him permission to seek a trade.   You can talk to other teams but this is what we expect in return so there is no confusion.

[George Cantstandya]

(03-06-2025, 08:33 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: I wonder if Trey would even show up to play the final year of his contract if no deal is reached. I hope something gets done one way or another. 

That is an interesting question.  He's due 15.8 million in base salary this year.  That's a lot of money to give up should he choose not to play.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-06-2025, 07:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I get what you're saying, he's a little older than Crosby, you don't want Trey out there as a 3 down guy at his age. However, it's not like he "sucks" at defending the run, as evidenced by his TFL total, that just about matches his sack total. Sure, teams are going to sneak runs at him because they know the down and distance situation and know he's coming for the QB.

To put it in a different context, Sam Hubbard is widely regarded as being tough versus the run. In Sam's 7 year career, he accumulated exactly 55 TFL, just one less than Trey did over the past 4 years with the Bengals.

That is surprising honestly on the numbers, but I don't know how many times Trey couldn't set the edge in the run game. Might need some 
context there and how the TFL's happened. I actually think he was a little better last year at stopping the run, but I wouldn't say he was good 
at it. But you are right, he doesn't suck at stopping the run as the numbers show.

When Sam was healthy, he was one of the best at setting the edge.

(03-06-2025, 08:00 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you know what I mean. The pff grades always get brought up when defending the front office during stuff like the reader situation, bates situation, and now the hendrickson situation

Goalpost asked for the PFF grades. I am not defending the FO, I am just not freaking out about not paying Trey who is on the wrong side of 
30, 35 million dollars a year...

[cinci4life]

Washington, Atlanta both showing interest.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2025/03/commanders-falcons-interested-in-trey-hendrickson-bengals-made-extension-push

[NUGDUKWE]

(03-06-2025, 08:05 PM)Au165 Wrote: Honestly, Bates was an orders magnitude bigger mistake letting leave because of his age. As I’ve mentioned multiple times here there is a very real probability that Hendricksons production over the next 3 years drops dramatically to not be nearly worth the deal he gets looking at historical data. Could he be the outlier? Maybe but between production and injury data for pass rushers over 30, not wanting to roll the dice here is actually understandable. It’s made worse by the lack of our ability to find someone with him let alone replace him, but that shouldn’t force another bad decision.

Obviously anything could happen but I've seen alot about his data points showing a gradual decline that still leaves him as a highly effective player for the next few years. Barring injury of course.