If both are there at #17, who do your choose or do you go with edge rusher

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(03-25-2025, 02:53 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Out of the players you’ve listed I would go with Mykel Williams scouts basically said he’d be a top 10 pick if he didn’t play through an injury this season which affected his stats. Williams has the size to anchor in the run Walker is a better fit for a 3-4 defense. I have PTSD from Burton so Mike Green with a sexual assault accusation both in high school and college scares me. Then Pearce there saying there were character concerns as well. Also wouldn’t mind Walter Nolan, Derrick  Harmon or Grant. If you go edge then guard round two there should still be some good DT’s in round 3. We’re in a tough spot at guard because we need a rookie to have a major impact if we want to improve in that area.

Did we meet with Mykel? I will have to look as I have been overlooking him probably because of the injury. Also, I know we didn't meet with 
Jalon Walker which is a bit strange to me as he fits the Viper position that Golden runs more than about anyone besides Jihad Campbell who 
will most likely fall because of the shoulder injury. We met with Emmanwori and he is the guy I am leaning to more and more.

A stud Safety can help out an entire Defense more than a backup EDGE or backup DT.

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(03-25-2025, 03:38 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Did we meet with Mykel? I will have to look as I have been overlooking him probably because of the injury. Also, I know we didn't meet with 
Jalon Walker which is a bit strange to me as he fits the Viper position that Golden runs more than about anyone besides Jihad Campbell who 
will most likely fall because of the shoulder injury. We met with Emmanwori and he is the guy I am leaning to more and more.

A stud Safety can help out an entire Defense more than a backup EDGE or backup DT.

Not sure if they met but chances are both Williams and Walker are gone by 17. Walker is actually good rushing from the edge if we used him that way on passing downs as a 4-3 end. I’m not sure about Walker being a traditional linebacker and dropping in coverage which I know Campbell can do both. Paul Dehner Jr. did a podcast a while back on the viper position basically saying it’s a 4-3 linebacker who can rush and be versatile spying the QB as well. Said Golden likes the versatility but it’s not a new position or something to that extent. For example Logan Wilson and Pratt don’t really have rush ability. Love Emmanwori crazy a guy that big ran a 4.3 he would start for us. Only thing is you go safety rd. 1 we still need starters at guard are we then forced to draft one in rd 2.? Then you still have edge to address. Far as being a backup if you have a player you think can be special I don’t think Myles Murphy with Zero sacks in year 2 prevents you from doing that. Or a game wrecker 3-tech cause you have BJ Hill. Not saying those players will be I just put higher value on the trenches. Also Golden prefers 3 linebacker sets vs heavy formations we have Wilson and Burks who would be the 3rd LB if Pratt is gone ? Not sure what’s going on with that. Ton of holes with 6 picks and situations like Pratt and Hendrickson still unresolved before the draft.

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(03-25-2025, 05:46 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Not sure if they met but chances are both Williams and Walker are gone by  17. Walker is actually good rushing from the edge if we used him that way on passing downs as a 4-3 end. I’m not sure about Walker being a traditional linebacker and dropping in coverage which I know Campbell can do both. Paul Dehner Jr. did a podcast a while back on the viper position basically saying it’s a 4-3 linebacker who can rush and be versatile spying the QB as well. Said Golden likes the versatility but it’s not a new position or something to that extent. For example Logan Wilson and Pratt don’t really have rush ability. Love Emmanwori crazy a guy that big ran a 4.3 he would start for us. Only thing is you go safety rd. 1 we still need starters at guard are we then forced to draft one in rd 2.? Then you still have edge to address. Far as being a backup if you have a player you think can be special I don’t think Myles Murphy with Zero sacks in year 2 prevents you from doing that. Or a game wrecker 3-tech cause you have BJ Hill. Not saying those players will be I just put higher value on the trenches. Also Golden prefers 3 linebacker sets vs heavy formations we have Wilson and Burks who would be the 3rd LB if Pratt is gone ? Not  sure what’s going on with that. Ton of holes with 6 picks and situations like Pratt and Hendrickson still unresolved before the draft.

True on Walker not being as good in coverage as Jihad. Going to be really interesting seeing who we Draft on what the plan is. The thing is no 
matter who we draft there will be questions, the Ends that will be available all have questions from character to production. Mike Green and James
Pearce have character concerns, Shemar Stewart has less production than Myles Murphy did at Clemson.

Emmanwori like you said, would start immediately. That is why I think he is going to be the pick unless we want Kenneth Grant who we also didn't
meet with and we brought in a NT in Slaton and McKinnley could still develop into a stud for us for all we know.

I am with you leaning toward the trenches, but of the players that should be available, the Safety seems the safest pick at this junction IMO.

[Bengalstripes9]

Right now I'm thinking DT Nolan as top choice.

If he's gone Emmouwori.

If both are gone an Edge or DT Grant or one of the top TEs.

Just did a mock with me picking for every team and ended up with the following for the Bengals:
(1) DT Nolan
(2) G Ratlidge
(3) RB Skatterboo
(4) CB Tommi Hill
(5) S Malachi Moore

Other mock that I didn't finish:
(1) S Emmouwori
(2) G Ratlidge
(3) LB Knight (Knight's comp is oddly Pratt)

This last scenario isn't looking as good because the bulk of dline options were taken before my pick at (3). This is why I like taking Nolan in the 1st. Could go with either though.

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(03-25-2025, 06:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: True on Walker not being as good in coverage as Jihad. Going to be really interesting seeing who we Draft on what the plan is. The thing is no 
matter who we draft there will be questions, the Ends that will be available all have questions from character to production. Mike Green and James
Pearce have character concerns, Shemar Stewart has less production than Myles Murphy did at Clemson.

Emmanwori like you said, would start immediately. That is why I think he is going to be the pick unless we want Kenneth Grant who we also didn't
meet with and we brought in a NT in Slaton and McKinnley could still develop into a stud for us for all we know.

I am with you leaning toward the trenches, but of the players that should be available, the Safety seems the safest pick at this junction IMO.

Agreed, was looking at Grant’s draft profile the other day on NFl.com and his pro comp was Slaton which I found funny. He’s obviously gonna go way higher than Slaton did and has more rush potential.

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(03-17-2025, 07:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Get Golden his Viper, take Walker

(03-17-2025, 08:06 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: This is seeming more and more likely to me the more I think about it. We can get Donovan Jackson, Ratledge or a pass rushing End in the 
2nd round but Golden needs to add that player that his Defense needs and doesn't have. That is Walker to be the Viper LB.

Agree

I don't care if he's not a typical 4-3 DE. We need a dynamic playmaker on defense that's not named Trey. In a BAD way!!

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We have so many needs & places we can use upgrades.

Our weakest starters are at G (Volson/Ford) and TE (D. Sample).

We need pass rush badly on D. But Ossai could be serviceable as DE2 if he plays like he did at the end of last year. And Murphy + C. Sample + C. Johnson gives you your 5.

Same thing at DT. We need pass rush, but Hill & Slaton are gonna start, and Jenkins & Jackson will be rotational guys. We don't HAVE to take a guy at #17.

Ditto LB with Wilson, Pratt & Burks here.

Now, safety certainly needs help. No real depth and Stone and Battle started off terribly, but did improve some. The CAN start. But I am not sure I go S if there is a trenches guy, a Vyper candidate, a stud TE, or a CB1 type there.

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We definitely need more defensive impact types. I don't know if that is better athletes or those who just excel at their skills. But I do know we play Lamar twice a year and he isn't going anywhere for awhile. By the way, Lamar's lifetime record vs. the Bengals is 10-1. With Baltimore being, as such, a divisional opponent, it's essential we field a team with a better record here.

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(03-26-2025, 10:14 AM)lone bengal Wrote: Agreed, was looking at Grant’s draft profile the other day on NFl.com and his pro comp was Slaton which I found funny. He’s obviously gonna go way higher than Slaton did and has more rush potential.

Oh, Grant is a WAY better pass rusher than Slaton already, the ratings are very high for Grant, Slaton is just a run stopper and there
is nothing wrong with that, we needed a run stopping NT. Grant is not as good as Nolen obviously as Grant is a NT and Nolen is a pass 
rushing 3-tech but Grant would immediately be the best pass rushing DT on the team if Kris Jenkins or McKinnley don't really grow in 
this area IMO.

(03-26-2025, 10:32 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Agree

I don't care if he's not a typical 4-3 DE. We need a dynamic playmaker on defense that's not named Trey. In a BAD way!!

Yeah, Walker would be scary coming off the edge in Golden's 4-3. But Lonebengal makes a good point on his coverage as he is not 
quite as good in coverage as Jihad Campbell. We didn't meet with either of these potential Vipers though, so maybe Golden would 
rather go DL directly in the trenches early or get the stud Safety and look for his Viper later. There are other options.

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(03-26-2025, 02:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Oh, Grant is a WAY better pass rusher than Slaton already, the ratings are very high for Grant, Slaton is just a run stopper and there
is nothing wrong with that, we needed a run stopping NT. Grant is not as good as Nolen obviously as Grant is a NT and Nolen is a pass 
rushing 3-tech but Grant would immediately be the best pass rushing DT on the team if Kris Jenkins or McKinnley don't really grow in 
this area IMO.


Yeah, Walker would be scary coming off the edge in Golden's 4-3. But Lonebengal makes a good point on his coverage as he is not 
quite as good in coverage as Jihad Campbell. We didn't meet with either of these potential Vipers though, so maybe Golden would 
rather go DL directly in the trenches early or get the stud Safety and look for his Viper later. There are other options.

Agreed we have 4 DT’s but not sure we have a true pass rusher. Think those guys you mentioned can do both if you wanna go that route in rd1. I think DT is the deepest position in the draft so if you pass early you can get a guy later it depends what you’re looking for. Far as mid round NT’s Jamaree Caldwell for Oregon is intriguing. He’s 6’2 332lbs and a stout run defender who moves well. He did nothing as a rusher at Oregon but I think that was more scheme based. The previous season at Houston he had 6.5 sacks and showed some rush ability. Far as pure rushing 3 -techs that could fall ,Omarr Norman-Lott is interesting. Norman-Lott had the highest pass rush win rate for DT’s at 19.4 %, he’s shorter at 6’2 but has long arms and huge hands and wins with leverage. A red flag for him is he only played 25 snaps a game but I heard Tennessee liked to rotate lines they did it with Pearce as well. There’s also a mysterious report about a medical issue with his knee not sure how far that will make him fall but I kind of get Trey Smith vibes with his draft stock. Think he was projected like 3rd or 4th rd. Not sure how far the medical will push him down. At a certain point in the draft if he keeps falling I think you take the risk.

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(03-25-2025, 08:15 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Right now I'm thinking DT Nolan as top choice.

If he's gone Emmouwori.

If both are gone an Edge or DT Grant or one of the top TEs.

Just did a mock with me picking for every team and ended up with the following for the Bengals:
(1) DT Nolan
(2) G Ratlidge
(3) RB Skatterboo
(4) CB Tommi Hill
(5) S Malachi Moore

Other mock that I didn't finish:
(1) S Emmouwori
(2) G Ratlidge
(3) LB Knight (Knight's comp is oddly Pratt)

This last scenario isn't looking as good because the bulk of dline options were taken before my pick at (3). This is why I like taking Nolan in the 1st. Could go with either though.

Not a fan of Skatteboo in the 3rd. We have more pressing needs than a RB that early. I'm all for drafting one but later on. Those 4th and 5th round picks are both projects also.

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(03-27-2025, 08:36 AM)lone bengal Wrote: Agreed we have 4 DT’s but not sure we have a true pass rusher. Think those guys you mentioned can do both if you wanna go that route in rd1. I think DT is the deepest position in the draft so if you pass early you can get a guy later it depends what you’re looking for. Far as mid round NT’s Jamaree Caldwell for Oregon is intriguing. He’s 6’2  332lbs and a stout run defender who moves well. He did nothing as a rusher at Oregon but I think that was more scheme based. The previous season at Houston he had 6.5 sacks and showed some rush ability. Far as pure rushing 3 -techs that could fall ,Omarr Norman-Lott is interesting. Norman-Lott had the highest pass rush win rate for DT’s at 19.4 %, he’s shorter at 6’2 but has long arms and huge hands and wins with leverage. A red flag for him is he only played 25 snaps a game but I heard Tennessee liked to rotate lines they did it with Pearce as well. There’s also a mysterious report about a medical issue with his knee not sure how far that will make him fall but I kind of get Trey Smith vibes with his draft stock. Think he was projected like 3rd or 4th rd. Not sure how far the medical will push him down. At a certain point in the draft if he keeps falling I think you take the risk.

Norman-Lott I think would be the perfect addition for our Defense if the knee is okay. We have 3 DT's that can all be solid run stoppers/pass
rushers but not a pure pass rushing DT. I think Kris Jenkins could grow into this, but we don't know that for sure. Give me a pure pass rushing
3-tech that we can rotate in on passing downs. I think between Slaton and McKinnley NT should be taken care of.

(03-27-2025, 09:10 AM)pulses Wrote: Not a fan of Skatteboo in the 3rd. We have more pressing needs than a RB that early. I'm all for drafting one but later on. Those 4th and 5th round picks are both projects also.

Would love Skattebo in the 4th round, but I don't know if he will last that long but yah never know. As long as we can get Guard and the DL 
upgraded I am for Skattebo even in the 3rd round, love this guy and he would bring a complete different skillset to our RB position than Chase
Brown. I know we brought in Samaje and he is a bit like Skattebo being a bigger, physical back but the upside of Boo is great and he can do it
all and would be the perfect RB to learn behind Samaje.

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(03-27-2025, 09:10 AM)pulses Wrote: Not a fan of Skatteboo in the 3rd. We have more pressing needs than a RB that early. I'm all for drafting one but later on. Those 4th and 5th round picks are both projects also.

I don’t remember specifically who else was available but it was between Skatteboo and a corner or LB Knight. Most of the corners are not good at tackling and have flaws.

I like Hill in the 4th. He’d be rated higher if he didn’t miss time last year. He can tackle and play zone—seems to fit the scheme.

Anyone you draft in the 4th/5th is going to be a project unless you get really lucky.

When I did the mocks picking for every team I felt really good about how I did for each team. In picking as good as I can for every team, the bengals options were more limited with the later picks.

When you do the sim there are usually a lot of players that fall to you.
This seemed more realistic.