{The Ultimate Bengals Offseason Extravaganza Thread}

[*ochocincos*]

(04-09-2025, 01:16 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If that logic was used 100%, no rookie should ever play or start.

I understand as fans we only have the time we see these players play in meaniful games. But the coaching staff sees them in practice over and over again. It is also their main job to develop players. I am advocating for a huge upgrade at safety,  I see 2 possibly round 1 picks and a 3rd, maybe in early round 2. I am fine to draft one with pick 17. But I am also am not dismissing our 2nd year safety or our 3th year safety who was great on special teams one year after ACL surgery.

Only the FO and coaches know who on our current roster is in need of an upgrade. The draft will add a piece to the puzzle as it tells us their short and long term concerns by who they draft.

This is 100% my take on the position coaches. A position coach is like a 1st line manager, at least at my company. They aren't really getting hands-on, but they have experience doing the role they are coaching and help teach and guide the individuals in their space.

I don't think it's the coordinators' primary job however to develop players. It's their job to put together an offense or defense that works with the players they have and able to adjust based on the opponent week-to-week. I see a coordinator's job like what a director is responsible for at most companies.

The HC honestly to me is more like a VP. They're technically there overseeing everything, but they're not usually technically experienced enough over the entire set of folks who report to them, so they put trust in the directors and managers to (help) set the vision and develop the talent. The VP will have some key decision-making responsibilities though and typically be the one looked at as responsible for the failure of those who report to them if results aren't met.

[BFritz21]

ProFootballNetwork has us sending Hendrickson and our first round pick to the Panthers for their first and third round picks, and then they have us taking Jalon Walker at end/backer out of Georgia.

[Tomcat]

(04-10-2025, 08:18 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: ProFootballNetwork has us sending Hendrickson and our first round pick to the Panthers for their first and third round picks, and then they have us taking Jalon Walker at end/backer out of Georgia.

No thanks!

[*PhilHos*]

(04-10-2025, 08:18 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: ProFootballNetwork has us sending Hendrickson and our first round pick to the Panthers for their first and third round picks, and then they have us taking Jalon Walker at end/backer out of Georgia.

We are not trading Hendrickson for a pick swap and a 3rd. Bengals will NOT do that deal. Maybe a 2nd and a 1st round pick swap, but honestly, I feel like the Bengals will not trade Hendrickson for anything less than a 1st round pick straight up.

[jj22]

We can get a "Walker" type player at 17.. There's no reason to trade up this draft unless it's the top 5. There's not that many elite prospects and 6-31 are all equal caliber in many ways.

[BFritz21]

(04-10-2025, 10:42 AM)PhilHos Wrote: We are not trading Hendrickson for a pick swap and a 3rd. Bengals will NOT do that deal. Maybe a 2nd and a 1st round pick swap, but honestly, I feel like the Bengals will not trade Hendrickson for anything less than a 1st round pick straight up.

I doubt we will but I've been looking for solutions to this whole issue and I'm just hoping that we can come out ahead. 

StripeHype thinks says an NFL insider (Tony Pauline) thinks that we'll trade Hendrickson if we can get a pass rusher in the first:

Quote:"The overwhelming feeling in the league is that the Cincinnati Bengals, who own the 17th pick, will determine if there’s a run on edge rushers during the second half of round 1. If the Bengals take an edge rusher, the floodgates are expected to open up, and at least seven, or possibly eight, will be drafted before Day 1 is through," Pauline wrote. "Many tell me the Bengals will do exactly that. Take an edge rusher with the 17th pick, and then trade Trey Hendrickson on draft weekend or soon after the seven rounds are completed."

That makes it sound like we're not focused on trading up to take an edge rusher but could still get picks for him.


If there's a run on edge rushers in the first, then maybe we could take one at 17 and then trade Hendrickson to one of the teams looking for an edge rusher to get back into the back half of the first and take a guard or Nolen. 

I'm praying we do that because I think we're setting ourselves up for failure if we give Trey a lot of money and a big extension, unless it's only two years, but even then I feel like the money could be better spent elsewhere.

[*PhilHos*]

(04-10-2025, 01:43 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I doubt we will but I've been looking for solutions to this whole issue and I'm just hoping that we can come out ahead. 

StripeHype thinks says an NFL insider (Tony Pauline) thinks that we'll trade Hendrickson if we can get a pass rusher in the first:


That makes it sound like we're not focused on trading up to take an edge rusher but could still get picks for him.


If there's a run on edge rushers in the first, then maybe we could take one at 17 and then trade Hendrickson to one of the teams looking for an edge rusher to get back into the back half of the first and take a guard or Nolen. 

I'm praying we do that because I think we're setting ourselves up for failure if we give Trey a lot of money and a big extension, unless it's only two years, but even then I feel like the money could be better spent elsewhere.

That would be so stupid to trade Trey AFTER the draft, even if they managed to get 2 promising pass rushers in the first 2 rounds. And while the Bengals front office has been known to make some stupid moves, I'd be hard pressed to think they'd be THAT stupid to trade Trey after the draft.

Only way a Trey trade after the draft makes sense is if it's for a player-for-player trade for someone comparable of Trey's value, even if at a different position.

The way I see it, Trey will play this season for the Bengals. Only question is if it's on the last year of his contract or if it's after an extension has been agreed upon.

[BFritz21]

(04-10-2025, 03:49 PM)PhilHos Wrote: That would be so stupid to trade Trey AFTER the draft, even if they managed to get 2 promising pass rushers in the first 2 rounds. And while the Bengals front office has been known to make some stupid moves, I'd be hard pressed to think they'd be THAT stupid to trade Trey after the draft.

Only way a Trey trade after the draft makes sense is if it's for a player-for-player trade for someone comparable of Trey's value, even if at a different position.

The way I see it, Trey will play this season for the Bengals. Only question is if it's on the last year of his contract or if it's after an extension has been agreed upon.

Oh, yeah, I don't think that there's any way we trade him for a draft pick after the draft (meaning a future pick), unless we happen to sign a free agent end that becomes available and we still draft two.

We're in win now mode with Burrow in his prime and just having signed Chase and Tee.

[QueenCity]

Bengals need to get the best Guard in the class if they trade Hendrickson.

[Sled21]

(04-10-2025, 08:18 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: ProFootballNetwork has us sending Hendrickson and our first round pick to the Panthers for their first and third round picks, and then they have us taking Jalon Walker at end/backer out of Georgia.

Not a chance in hell. A first and Hendrickson for a first and a third? Laughable.

[Sled21]

(04-10-2025, 10:03 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Bengals need to get the best Guard in the class if they trade Hendrickson.

Any guard taken in the first round of this draft class will be a reach. First round of this draft will be mostly defense. Guards and Tackles will be second round picks.

[QueenCity]

(Yesterday, 09:07 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Any guard taken in the first round of this draft class will be a reach. First round of this draft will be mostly defense. Guards and Tackles will be second round picks.

Yes but if we have two first round picks I'd personally be okay with that. Or maybe we grab a stud safety. 

[BoomerFan]

I'm still keeping tabs on the UFL. St. Louis Battlehawks lead the league (just two games in) on rushing TDs. Their guards are 27 years old so even though they washed out of the NFL awhile ago, maybe they are at their peak physically now and could contribute? Players do turn it around (or were never given a real chance to begin with).

https://www.foxsports.com/ufl/st-louis-battlehawks-team-roster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Gonzalez_(American_football)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Beecham

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 09:07 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Any guard taken in the first round of this draft class will be a reach. First round of this draft will be mostly defense. Guards and Tackles will be second round picks.

As will any true DE or any of the DTs we have been linked to. And the top OLB/Edge guys have flags & are not great fots as every down players. 

If a guy is starter quality and is gonna be gone before your next pick, that is not reaching in my book. 

I have no problem with Jackson, Zabel, or Booker at #17.

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 09:07 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Any guard taken in the first round of this draft class will be a reach. First round of this draft will be mostly defense. Guards and Tackles will be second round picks.

They didn't do good enough this FA to not reach for need at 17.... Unfortunately. 

This should have been an all defense draft. 

[XenoMorph]

(Yesterday, 02:16 PM)jj22 Wrote: They didn't do good enough this FA to not reach for need at 17.... Unfortunately. 

This should have been an all defense draft. 

DL is a bigger need atm    They chose to pay WRs instead of OL for offense.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-10-2025, 08:18 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: ProFootballNetwork has us sending Hendrickson and our first round pick to the Panthers for their first and third round picks, and then they have us taking Jalon Walker at end/backer out of Georgia.

Like essentially Bengals go up to 8 from 17 and get pick 74?

I don't understand why the Bengals would want to jump up 9 spots to get a LB that many expect to be available in the teens, possibly making it to 17 anyway.
And while I do think if Golden is creative, Walker could be used as an off-ball LB but also pass rusher, I wouldn't want to lose Hendrickson to trade up 9 spots and only get 74th overall.

Now if it was both their 2nd rounder they got from the Rams (57th overall) and 74th overall, maybe.

I think a more logical trade that the Bengals would be willing to do is trade away Hendrickson to one of the playoff teams for their late 1st rounder who were probably going to take a pass rusher anyway but need someone who could contribute immediately. Maybe the Commanders or Eagles.
That way, Bengals can still take an edge rusher in Rd 1 either at 17 or the late round acquired pick, but also get either an OL, SAF, or DT with the other 1st rounder.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Stripe Hype is clickbait. Do not take anything on there seriously.

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 03:06 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: DL is a bigger need atm    They chose to pay WRs instead of OL for offense.

They also chose to re-sign/sign 2 DT's instead of 1 and taking advantage of a deep DT draft. The money used for 1 of those DT's could have went to guard. Then we could be looking at DT at 17. But they aren't drafting a 5th DT at 17.