How bad is the rest of the -dline at pass rushing?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-25-2025, 09:41 PM)chrisball96 Wrote: Absolutely, seems like Trey’s agent has failed him time and again. The threat this time around to sit out was particularly foolish. No one for a second believed that a 30 year old DE was going to waste a year like that.

Trey's agent has been a little dumb I think as well.

(03-25-2025, 10:20 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Trey is a Bengal next year. 

My bad for implying otherwise unless a crazy  offer surfaces.

Yes, it would have to be a crazy offer for Trey to be traded. A 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder or a 1st and a player or something like that.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-25-2025, 09:05 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Who cares? It's a run first league now. We're back to leather helmets, three yards, and a cloud of dust. Stop the run and cover the pass for 10 seconds. QBs nowadays aren't good enough to complete passes if the coverage is good enough. 

In all seriousness, Lou tried to do the thing of having pass rushers drop into coverage at a higher rate than the rest of the league. It was by in large awful. I'd much prefer a coverage player who can moonlight as a pass rusher than vice versa. Lou's defense was too passive. Dropping rushers into coverage is passive. You're praying that the opposing QB makes a hilariously bad mistake by throwing it right to a defensive end.  Why would they try to build a defense that depended on such a flukey occurrence rather than just trying to sack the QB? 

I thought Lou had the Ends dropping into coverage way too often myself. Not a good plan and it didn't trick anybody.

[Joelist]

(03-26-2025, 02:31 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I thought Lou had the Ends dropping into coverage way too often myself. Not a good plan and it didn't trick anybody.

That is part of what changed after 12 weeks. The Ends were not dropped back nearly as often. I posted earlier in this thread on how the sack numbers definitely went up after his changes - Essentially in the 6 games in the revised scheme we had as many sacks as in 11 games prior. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-26-2025, 04:02 PM)Joelist Wrote: That is part of what changed after 12 weeks. The Ends were not dropped back nearly as often. I posted earlier in this thread on how the sack numbers definitely went up after his changes - Essentially in the 6 games in the revised scheme we had as many sacks as in 11 games prior. 

Saw the numbers you provided as well. A lot of poor play can be put on coaching. Great coaches put their players in the right situations 
to succeed. I hope we see a lot of different looks this year on Defense, more blitzing from the LB's and Secondary and just more aggression
period would be nice. I know it can bite you in your ass sometimes, but so can playing conservative and relying on fluke plays.

[chrisball96]

(03-26-2025, 04:02 PM)Joelist Wrote: That is part of what changed after 12 weeks. The Ends were not dropped back nearly as often. I posted earlier in this thread on how the sack numbers definitely went up after his changes - Essentially in the 6 games in the revised scheme we had as many sacks as in 11 games prior. 

I don't have a firm grasp on the film, but does anyone remember our DE dropping into coverage giving us any sort of advantage? Maybe it did and I missed it, but if not, man taking 12 weeks to correct it is...probably part of the reason Lou is no longer with us. 

I mean, I get 3-4 teams doing that sort of thing with their athletic ends, but not sure our guys were really built to do that on a regular basis. 

But I could be wrong there I am about as far from a football coach as you might see! 

[THE PISTONS]

Bengals exec Katie Blackburn explains why team allowed Trey Hendrickson to seek trade

“I think he should be happy at certain rates that maybe he doesn't think he'd be happy at,” Blackburn said. “I think some of it is on him to be happy at some point, and if he's not, you know, that's what holds it up sometimes. So, you know, it takes him to say yes to something, and also, we have all the respect in the world for him. He's been a great player. We're happy to have him. And so maybe we'll find a way to get something to work. We're just gonna see where it goes.”

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2025/04/01/why-bengals-allowed-trey-hendrickson-seek-trade/82765420007/

[Nicomo Cosca]

They learned absolutely nothing from Whit.

[Joelist]

Are we sure this wasn't April fools? The statement doesn't even make sense.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(04-01-2025, 11:04 PM)Joelist Wrote: Are we sure this wasn't April fools? The statement doesn't even make sense.

It’s completely on brand.

Asked Bengals exec Katie Blackburn if the team and Trey Hendrickson could find a contract everything could be happy with after paying the WRs: pic.twitter.com/da0TgmIeFC

— Ben Baby (@Ben_Baby) April 2, 2025

[J24]

(04-02-2025, 12:17 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It’s completely on brand.

Asked Bengals exec Katie Blackburn if the team and Trey Hendrickson could find a contract everything could be happy with after paying the WRs: pic.twitter.com/da0TgmIeFC

— Ben Baby (@Ben_Baby) April 2, 2025

Something is wrong with that Lady; I swear she's on the spectrum! It seems that she has no emotion when it comes to other human beings.

[THE PISTONS]

Interestingly, I remember interviews with Mike Brown where he kind of goes stream of thought. Her style looks much like that for interviews.

She's basically saying,.We have a number. He needs to like it as we aren't going to his number.

[Housh]

(04-02-2025, 08:12 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Interestingly, I remember interviews with Mike Brown where he kind of goes stream of thought. Her style looks much like that for interviews.

She's basically saying,.We have a number. He needs to like it as we aren't going to his number.

Yeah

Also the Brown family doesn’t really lowball you on a year to year basis


They may not guarantee as much of the deal but on a AAV basis it’s usually right at market value


I assume the “number”
Discussed is guarantees and this is just sad for Trey because if his agent didn’t get him to sign the 1 year extension last offseason he’d be an UFA and would have massive leverage now.


I just don’t see any team giving a 30 year old pass rusher 3-4 years and 32M per when this is around the time pass rushers fall off



I think both parties get outta this with a 1 year extension worth 35M. Like bro we can’t time travel back to the past and give you more money just cause you outplayed your deal but we can’t give you a thank you deal out the door of 35M and then say goodbye on good terms

[THE PISTONS]

(04-02-2025, 09:22 AM)Housh Wrote: Yeah

Also the Brown family doesn’t really lowball you on a year to year basis


They may not guarantee as much of the deal but on a AAV basis it’s usually right at market value


I assume the “number”
Discussed is guarantees and this is just sad for Trey because if his agent didn’t get him to sign the 1 year extension last offseason he’d be an UFA and would have massive leverage now.


I just don’t see any team giving a 30 year old pass rusher 3-4 years and 32M per when this is around the time pass rushers fall off



I think both parties get outta this with a 1 year extension worth 35M. Like bro we can’t time travel back to the past and give you more money just cause you outplayed your deal but we can’t give you a thank you deal out the door of 35M and then say goodbye on good terms

I took number to mean AAV, but it's hard to say. She might have meant both.

The Bengals kind of painted themselves into a corner with drafting. Say IF Murphy had 6 sacks last year...they'd have more leverage. They really have nothing besides Trey at DE other than Ossai.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-02-2025, 08:12 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Interestingly, I remember interviews with Mike Brown where he kind of goes stream of thought. Her style looks much like that for interviews.

She's basically saying,.We have a number. He needs to like it as we aren't going to his number.

Danielle Hunter is the guy that likely will be whom the Bengals look at for deal amount and structure.
Hunter, turning 31 years old in October and coming off a 3rd straight 10+ sack season, just signed a 1-year extension for $35.6 mill for 2026 to go along with the 2-year, $49 mill contract he signed with HOU in the 2024 offseason.
Across 3 seasons, averages out to $28.2 mill APY.

And Hendrickson has been even better than him, so he should be able to easily argue 2-year or 3-year, $30+ mill APY contract.
We don't know what the Bengals offered him, but it was likely lower guaranteed than he would like and also likely not more than 2 years given Hendrickson also turns 31 this coming December.


If I'm Hendrickson though, I'm looking for $50+ mill guaranteed regardless of a 2-year or 3-year new deal. That would help safeguard in case of being let go final year of contract if something happens or lower sack production by 32-33 years old.

Bengals really have nothing to stand on right now to justify lower pay though other than trends with age, as Hendrickson has 14+ sacks in three of the four seasons he's played for them, including 35 in the last two.

[THE PISTONS]

Trey Hendrickson disappointed by Bengals' stance on contract

Hendrickson said the Bengals have not communicated with his agent directly about his contract, saying that has "been something that's been a little bit frustrating."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44506933/trey-hendrickson-disappointed-bengals-stance-contract