New Myles Murphy is 13.6 % body fat

[NotBigzo]

Man is a bust. Same song and dance from last year

[CJD]

The Bengals are cueing us up for when they don't select a pass rusher in the first 2 days haha.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 12:19 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think you are assuming another DE on our roster is better. Are they?

Than Myles Murphy?  Cedric Johnson was probably the only Defensive End worse than Murphy as a run defender last year. Even if they draft a DE round one I can see Ossai or Sample getting the snaps early in the season.

Worst Run defender on the DL last year was probably McKinnley Jackson and that's not a good look for your Nose Tackle.

[CJD]

(5 hours ago)Synric Wrote: Than Myles Murphy?  Cedric Johnson was probably the only Defensive End worse than Murphy as a run defender last year. Even if they draft a DE round one I can see Ossai or Sample getting the snaps early in the season.

Worst Run defender on the DL last year was probably McKinnley Jackson and that's not a good look for your Nose Tackle.

McKinnley Jackson will never be a nose tackle. He just has the size of a nose tackle. He is a one gap penetrator all day every day.

A relatively bad one, granted, but one regardless.

Hoping he develops further this season.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(5 hours ago)CJD Wrote: McKinnley Jackson will never be a nose tackle. He just has the size of a nose tackle. He is a one gap penetrator all day every day.

A relatively bad one, granted, but one regardless.

Hoping he develops further this season.

Why the hate on McKinnley? I thought he played decent last year as a rookie and flashed some pass rush.

DJ Reader wasn't good his rookie season either and their bodies were a lot alike coming out of college. McKinnley was a damn good run 
stopper in college, he can be one in the NFL. But it is Kris Jenkins I think makes the biggest jump this year as a pass rusher.

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)Synric Wrote: Than Myles Murphy?  Cedric Johnson was probably the only Defensive End worse than Murphy as a run defender last year. Even if they draft a DE round one I can see Ossai or Sample getting the snaps early in the season.

Worst Run defender on the DL last year was probably McKinnley Jackson and that's not a good look for your Nose Tackle.

So you are like many who beieve his injury had nothing to do with his 2024 performance.

I guess I am just too optimistic and beleive players playing through injuries can be better after they fully recover.

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Why the hate on McKinnley? I thought he played decent last year as a rookie and flashed some pass rush.

DJ Reader wasn't good his rookie season either and their bodies were a lot alike coming out of college. McKinnley was a damn good run 
stopper in college, he can be one in the NFL. But it is Kris Jenkins I think makes the biggest jump this year as a pass rusher.

Again, Jackson and Jenkins were injured and missed lots of valuable practices and game in 2024.

I hope the naysayers are proven wrong and our DL is much better in 2025.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(5 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So you are like many who beieve his injury had nothing to do with his 2024 performance.

I guess I am just too optimistic and beleive players playing through injuries can be better after they fully recover.

No doubt. Hard to judge players playing with injuries, especially when they are young.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(5 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, Jackson and Jenkins were injured and missed lots of valuable practices and game in 2024.

I hope the naysayers are proven wrong and our DL is much better in 2025.

True, I think they will prove the naysayers wrong this year. We will see. All I know is both these guys are very hard workers, especially Kris.

[CJD]

(5 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Why the hate on McKinnley? I thought he played decent last year as a rookie and flashed some pass rush.

DJ Reader wasn't good his rookie season either and their bodies were a lot alike coming out of college. McKinnley was a damn good run 
stopper in college, he can be one in the NFL. But it is Kris Jenkins I think makes the biggest jump this year as a pass rusher.

When it comes to projecting the pass rush success rate of college players to the NFL, pass rush win rate (and the associated stats like true pass rush win rate) is one of the biggest indicators and neither McKinnley nor Jenkins were particularly good pass rushers in college. It's the same reason I didn't like the Murphy selection either.

You're right that McKinnley had a few flashes in his rookie season. I hope he builds on them. But I didn't like either draft pick at the time it was made. 
I'll happily be wrong though!

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(5 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So you are like many who beieve his injury had nothing to do with his 2024 performance.

I guess I am just too optimistic and beleive players playing through injuries can be better after they fully recover.

Sam Hubbard on one leg set a more firm edge against the run than Myles Murphy did all year even after Myles was healthy. Some of it could just be he's still struggling to diagnosis the blocking schemes because he was a much better run defender in college.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(5 hours ago)CJD Wrote: When it comes to projecting the pass rush success rate of college players to the NFL, pass rush win rate (and the associated stats like true pass rush win rate) is one of the biggest indicators and neither McKinnley nor Jenkins were particularly good pass rushers in college. It's the same reason I didn't like the Murphy selection either.

You're right that McKinnley had a few flashes in his rookie season. I hope he builds on them. But I didn't like either draft pick at the time it was made. 
I'll happily be wrong though!

Fair enough CJD. I actually had McKinnley Jackson in all my Mocks last year, I wanted him in stripes before we drafted him. True on pass rush win 
rate and how it equates to NFL play, but Kris Jenkins went from a LB to a DT in college, that is why he was called the Freak. McKinnley is supposed
to be a Nose Tackle which is why I didn't understand you saying he will never be one. Both Kris and McKinnley were great run stoppers in college
so I think at the very least they can good in this aspect, we will see how they develop especially now that they have a new DL coach in Montgomery.

Never liked Hobby and how he developed DL.

[CJD]

(4 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Fair enough CJD. I actually had McKinnley Jackson in all my Mocks last year, I wanted him in stripes before we drafted him. True on pass rush win 
rate and how it equates to NFL play, but Kris Jenkins went from a LB to a DT in college, that is why he was called the Freak. McKinnley is supposed
to be a Nose Tackle which is why I didn't understand you saying he will never be one. Both Kris and McKinnley were great run stoppers in college
so I think at the very least they can good in this aspect, we will see how they develop especially now that they have a new DL coach in Montgomery.

Never liked Hobby and how he developed DL.

When I think of a nose tackle's job, I think of a DT that occupies two gaps. Usually over center, taking on double teams from the center + a guard.

McKinnley is a one gap penetrating DT. It led to a fair number of run stops in college, but I don't think he has the same skill set as DJ Reader does.

Maybe I'm wrong and he'll develop the ability to control 2 gaps. But, for now, I consider Slayton our 2 gapping NT and then we have a bunch of 1 gap DTs to fill up the depth chart.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(4 hours ago)CJD Wrote: When I think of a nose tackle's job, I think of a DT that occupies two gaps. Usually over center, taking on double teams from the center + a guard.

McKinnley is a one gap penetrating DT. It led to a fair number of run stops in college, but I don't think he has the same skill set as DJ Reader does.

Maybe I'm wrong and he'll develop the ability to control 2 gaps. But, for now, I consider Slayton our 2 gapping NT and then we have a bunch of 1 gap DTs to fill up the depth chart.

Cannot argue with any of that. Was a good move bringing in Slaton for this very reason. Needed a NT that could take up blockers and free up
others to make plays in the running game. I actually am excited to see how both Kris and McKinnley develop this year behind Hill and Slaton.