Is Shemar holding out?

[BFritz21]

(Yesterday, 02:11 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I think he'd be foolish to sign away his guarantees which would turn them into non-guarantees at the whim of someone who would love nothing more than to not pay you. I also think pretending he's a normal citizen instead of someone who got picked 17th out of a pool of ~30m people in this country age 20-26 is equally foolish. If the Bengals didn't want to pay his guarantees, they shouldn't have drafted him.

In "every other business" Joe Burrow being the best potential employee to hire wouldn't have had his industry employment rights monopolized by the previous year's worst company in the industry, and then play for a pre-determined salary for multiple years on a contract without any open market competition. He would have gone to one of the best companies (teams) after a huge round of increasing bidding for his services by the other companies instead of getting less than 50% of what Sam Bradford signed for a decade earlier.

You don't want to start trying to apply that "every other business" criteria unless you're ready to get rid of revenue sharing, guaranteed profits, the draft, the salary cap, and rookie wage scales.

They're guarantees as long as he follows the law and rules of the league.

If they tried to cut him for something stupid, which why would they if he's playing hard, he could sue for breach of contract.

People always criticized the Bengals for taking players with character issues, and now they're just protecting themselves from it and everyone has a problem?

[c766]

(05-20-2025, 03:32 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I can't believe we're stuck in this.

We have a window to win a Super Bowl and we need to improve the defense so we don't still get outscored when we score 30 points a game.

The pass rush is even more important because teams will need to throw to try and keep up with us.

Like I always say, I thought Mike Brown's cheap way of doing things was over but I guess not................

You literally were calling Mike Brown cheap for the SS holdout 2 weeks ago, and now you are on the bengals side. 

LOL - Just flip flop around and never have a salient point. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 02:44 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: They're guarantees as long as he follows the law and rules of the league.

If they tried to cut him for something stupid, which why would they if he's playing hard, he could sue for breach of contract.

People always criticized the Bengals for taking players with character issues, and now they're just protecting themselves from it and everyone has a problem?

So, again, you agree that they wouldn't be guarantees, because it would be conditional.

His grievance would fail because he would have signed the contract allowing it to happen.... and you'd be among the first in line creating a thread mocking him for "you signed the contract" when he complained about it being unfair.

If you don't trust the guy, then don't make him your 1st round draft pick. Burton got only $1m guaranteed as a 3rd round pick. We can cut him at any time in his contract and be fine. 

[samhain]

(Yesterday, 03:02 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So, again, you agree that they wouldn't be guarantees, because it would be conditional.

His grievance would fail because he would have signed the contract allowing it to happen.... and you'd be among the first in line creating a thread mocking him for "you signed the contract" when he complained about it being unfair.

If you don't trust the guy, then don't make him your 1st round draft pick. Burton got only $1m guaranteed as a 3rd round pick. We can cut him at any time in his contract and be fine. 

I know, let's have week to week contracts!  Cut any guy with no obligation ever.  One of them looks at someone sideways and that's it.  

One totally bonkers outside the box idea would be to; wait for it...  Increase investment in advanced scouting?  I mean a few other teams do this if by a few you mean every team not named the Bengals.  

Seems like the organization wants to be cheap slackasses, then avoid the consequences of their lack of effort (perhaps more appropriately, investment) when they come to fruition.  All stick, no carrot.  

[jj22]

Missing OTAs' and minicamp isn't ideal for a project. Training camp won't be enough for him to make up ground. So I can see the excuses of missing the spring coming from Hobson as we wait to see him contribute. He may start the season inactive.

[Hammerstripes]

(Yesterday, 04:44 PM)jj22 Wrote: Missing OTAs' and minicamp isn't ideal for a project. Training camp won't be enough for him to make up ground. So I can see the excuses of missing the spring coming from Hobson as we wait to see him contribute. He may start the season inactive.

He's not a project.  He is immediately our best run defending DE.  Sure, he needs some work on his pass rush skills, but he's played 3 seasons and has improved every year,

[c766]

(3 hours ago)Hammerstripes Wrote: He's not a project.  He is immediately our best run defending DE.  Sure, he needs some work on his pass rush skills, but he's played 3 seasons and has improved every year,

He’s more of a project than Myles Murphy

And Murphy gets 0 sacks a year

[Destro]

Wonder if he sees Trey's contract issues and makes him or his agent think a bit.

[007BengalsFan]

(Yesterday, 03:02 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So, again, you agree that they wouldn't be guarantees, because it would be conditional...

You shouldnt have a contract guaranteed when you are pulling a Rashee Rice racing on the interstate, crashing, injuring people then feeing from the scene of an accident.  These guys learned absolutely nothing from Henry Ruggs.  Why should the Bengals or any NFL team have to guarantee a contract when players pull that kind of conduct?  How can you defend guys like that and say these NFL teams should be forced to pay guys that engage in that behavior?  This isnt about on field performance because teams want their picks to succeed.  The Bengals arent cutting Myles Murphy if he only gets a couple of sacks this year.  They keep these players because they think they can get better.  This issue is about off field behavior.