Trey Hendrickson Update

[Nicomo Cosca]

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: We have one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL. All we really need are a couple of defensive pieces. People act like all of our players are bottom of the barrel types.

They are not winning a Super Bowl with the current OL. It’s going to feel like deja vu.

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: One thing to disagree, another to call me and others tupid for our opinion. What makes your opinion right? Who determines it? You and your minion who hate the FO and ignore anything positive the FO does.
Facts - Bengals are not cheap, look i the thread and I have shown their cash spend versus other teams.
Fact - FO made Burrow th ehighest paid player in NFL history which the team did not have to do. They could have tagged him to pay him less.
Fact - Bengals do spend up to 10 to 12 million or less every year on the cap.
Fact - They do not pocket money by structuring deals for the future, it is a like a credit card and the balance will come do some day in the future.
Fact - Chase was made the top paid NFL QB in history surpassing Garrett which the team did not have to do. They could have tagged him to payhim less.
Fact - They have given Trey not 1 but 2 new conracts in a short period of time.

My argument has never been I agree with the front office every move, my argument is I don't think the FO as you and others cry and whine about day after day and year after year. So yes I admit, your and the hate FO posts by others fall on deaf ears, I have the same arguments for 10 years, they are less valid each year in my opinion, nit stronger as you act. Your argument is not close to a slam dunk and it is your opiion based on ignoring facts. 


So, maybe we can agree, we are all guity of ignoring the other side because we have looked at the facts from our perspective and determined our take on the FO.


You think the FO is inept and anyone who disagrees is stupid. I disagree and think the naysayers are ignoring all of the facts that oppose their narrative, I may be in the minority and that is fine also, it does not make me wrong.

First of all, you don't get to change words on a whim to fit your narrative. I said your football takes were "not good at all". I never used the word "stupid" so you can cut that shit out post haste. As well, i don't "ignore" the postitive. I've pointed out MANY times how they've finally come around to things like RoH and upgrades to the fan expierience as well as amenities to players like the workout room, practice bubble and future practice facility. They're starting to spend more on things and it's been a very long, tedious process to get them where other NFL teams have been for quite a while. If you choose to ignore when i state the positive, that's a 'you thing'. I can post many many example of me praising the team. 

Second, the veracity of an opinion is determined by how factual it is. Just to show that i don't ignore what others say and just stick to my script, i'll touch on each of your facts listed. 

Facts - Bengals are not cheap, look i the thread and I have shown their cash spend versus other teams.
The bengals have proven they are cheap by how they drag out contracts and from many instances of players leaving or signing FA contracts with other teams because they offered more, in salary, signing bonus' and/or guarantees. This is indisputable. 

Fact - FO made Burrow th ehighest paid player in NFL history which the team did not have to do. They could have tagged him to pay him less.
True. They could have done that but the Bengals have always paid franchise QBs. They are NOT cheap when it comes to that.

Fact - Bengals do spend up to 10 to 12 million or less every year on the cap.
True enough. They spend up to what they're required but they rarely if ever go over and/or they do it in a way that could have been better--as noted by LeonardLeap in an earlier post.

Fact - They do not pocket money by structuring deals for the future, it is a like a credit card and the balance will come do some day in the future.
True. They don't "pocket money". They roll over a decent amount which is their right as owners of the team. I disagree with the way they spend their money as compared to other teams who have been more successful.

Fact - Chase was made the top paid NFL QB in history surpassing Garrett which the team did not have to do. They could have tagged him to payhim less.
True. They also could have signed him the year before, saved money for FAs or Trey, or they could have structured him differently this year for the same reasons. Regardless, they screwed themselves out of being able to use money on other assets, by pinching every penny and not wanting to pay up to or over market value (at the time), seemingly not understanding that market value goes up each year. 

Fact - They have given Trey not 1 but 2 new conracts in a short period of time.
True. They've given him very cheap contracts. The first one was deserved. They screwed up by not signing him to a multi-year contract the second time around. 

Re: FO complains and your "less valid each year". I agree with that. They are spending more. That doesn't excuse decades of futility and frugality and doesn't excuse the hoops they have to jump through to get plays signed the last few years. They still have the stink of a "cheap ownership" on them. They may be using the febreeze now, but what they really need is a nice shower to get the stink totally off. 

Another bottom line, indisputable fact is that this organization is viewed by many outsiders as being cheap/frugal/spend-thrift, whichever nice word you want to use, for many years in the past and up to this moment right now and it's not because they're all "haters". 

[*rfaulk34*]

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: We have one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL. All we really need are a couple of defensive pieces. People act like all of our players are bottom of the barrel types.

Here's that hyperbole again. You should stay away from hyperbole. Literally no one ever says this.

No one. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(5 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They are not winning a Super Bowl with the current OL. It’s going to feel like deja vu.

So you don't think Peters can coach up Fairchild and Mims?

The rest are pretty proven, even Patrick doesn't give up sacks. I think this OL could be much better than the ones we had in the SB and other AFC 
championship run.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(5 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They are not winning a Super Bowl with the current OL. It’s going to feel like deja vu.

To quote James Rapien, I'm more bullish on the OL than most, I still think Fairchild will be great out of the box and if Patrick can hold up in pass protection, we will have a dominant offense again.

RG is the only thing that is concerning, IMO: the rest of the OL is more than fine.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(5 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: So you don't think Peters can coach up Fairchild and Mims?

The rest are pretty proven, even Patrick doesn't give up sacks. I think this OL could be much better than the ones we had in the SB and other AFC 
championship run.

Mims I have high hopes for if he can stay healthy.

The guards though? I don’t think we’re a winning a Super Bowl with a 3rd round rookie and Cody Ford/Lucas Patrick, no.

[Soonerpeace]

(5 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: So you don't think Peters can coach up Fairchild and Mims?

The rest are pretty proven, even Patrick doesn't give up sacks. I think this OL could be much better than the ones we had in the SB and other AFC 
championship run.

This OL is much much better than the one who played LAR

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: This OL is much much better than the one who played LAR

I'm not doubting it till they fail but i'm not expecting big improvement because every single years since the start of '21 was "better Oline this year". 

[Soonerpeace]

(5 hours ago)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: To quote James Rapien, I'm more bullish on the OL than most, I still think Fairchild will be great out of the box and if Patrick can hold up in pass protection, we will have a dominant offense again.

RG is the only thing that is concerning, IMO: the rest of the OL is more than fine.

I’m about where you are. But I like the depth the best in Taylor’s era. I was never a Pollack guy. I heard his strength was not teaching and little improvement. Unfortunately in the NFL hiring retreads or fired coaches rarely gets you a good one. But that’s the pool unless you find an assistant OL coach somewhere or a college coach. Peters will be a huge help. Oh it won’t be glaring but it will show up in big games.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(4 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: I'm not doubting it till they fail but i'm not expecting big improvement because every single years since the start of '21 was "better Oline this year". 

Exactly. It’s a question mark until it’s not. Rookie LG, 1st time OL coach, whatever the hell the RG situation is, etc.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(5 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Mims I have high hopes for if he can stay healthy.

The guards though? I don’t think we’re a winning a Super Bowl with a 3rd round rookie and Cody Ford/Lucas Patrick, no.

Cool Nicomo, I disagree with you on this one.

I think Mims will be our best OL soon, maybe even this year that is how much I love the guy. Also think Fairchild will be better than Volson 
last year and Spain during our SB where he let AD get to Burrow when we could of won it if he just chipped AD. Patrick's PFF grades were 
way higher than Cappa's last year when he started. Also think Ford showed he can at the least be good depth for us.

Pollack was not a good OL coach, I think Peters will be an upgrade as well, just my opinions on the OL.

(4 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: This OL is much much better than the one who played LAR

I think so as well.

[Soonerpeace]

(4 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: I'm not doubting it till they fail but i'm not expecting big improvement because every single years since the start of '21 was "better Oline this year". 

Sure but wasn’t the SB line injured as well? I specifically mentioned that OL that night not that year.

[Soonerpeace]

(4 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Exactly. It’s a question mark until it’s not. Rookie LG, 1st time OL coach, whatever the hell the RG situation is, etc.

I laugh you are justified in your thoughts. It’s like Roger Murtaugh’s (Danny Glover) wife’s cooking in Lethal Weapon 1. But I’m feeling better

[Nicomo Cosca]

(4 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: Sure but wasn’t the SB line injured as well? I specifically mentioned that OL that night not that year.

They were missing Riley Reiff.

[*rfaulk34*]

(4 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: Sure but wasn’t the SB line injured as well? I specifically mentioned that OL that night not that year.

Playoff lines in '21 and '22 were both injured.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(3 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Playoff lines in '21 and '22 were both injured.

True, one day we have to be due to have an OL not banged up in the Playoffs you would think....

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(4 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They were missing Riley Reiff.

And Carman played better than Adeniji the entire year. The numbers, grades, etc. were all better with Carman.

[Sled21]

(5 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: It doesn't take being an NFL team owner, in order to take a look around at what other franchise owners are doing in order to get over common obstacles and take notice that the management of one's favorite team is severely deficient in those areas. You go ahead and continue to defend the management's complacency and unwillingness to adapt to a more modern style of cap and roster management along with their steadfast adherence to their miserly ways. Such a noble position of you to take while watching that management pissing away prime years of a likely HOF QBs career. 

Oh, and what happens every time the Front Office tries something different. Like the Stewart fiasco. So many teams have been burned by these prima donna athletes who can't stay out of trouble teams are writing contracts that give them outs on guaranteed money. So, what happens when the Bengals FO does the exact same thing and the athlete balks at it??? Everyone says they are incompetent. I don't claim the FO is always right, some of you claim the FO is always wrong, no matter what they do. Then look down your nose at those that disagree with you. Perfect example: Trey Hendrickson wants his yearly contract re-do and raise, and the FO offers a 12 million dollar raise that he turns down and sits out = The Bengals FO is stupid, pathetic and incompetent. Meanwhile, TJ Watt wants a new contract and the Steelers are not meeting his number, so he sits out the same amount of time Trey does= The Steelers are one of the best run FO's in the league. People could at least be consistent in the arguments.

[Sled21]

(5 hours ago)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: They are not winning a Super Bowl with the current OL. It’s going to feel like deja vu.

It must be wonderful knowing the future. Can you give me next week's Powerball numbers?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(3 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: It must be wonderful knowing the future. Can you give me next week's Powerball numbers?

What is the actual point of a post like this? Was it really necessary for me to include in my opinion?