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Trey Hendrickson Update
(5 hours ago)pally Wrote: and the real answer we've all been expecting and the headline from this press conference...no pay no play



He's under contract he can't hold out. If he is healthy and does not play he won't acrue a season so he will still be under contract for the Bengals in 2026.


Normally I agree the Bengals are usually terrible in contract situations but honestly I think Trey Hendrickson's Agent is really bad at his job. 

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(4 hours ago)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It helped Palmer and Dunlap.

Palmer got a 2nd Team AP, 2nd place MVP vote, won a playoff game. (Also $90m post-Bengals)
Dunlap went to the playoffs while we went 4-11-1, and later won a SB.

Playing stubborn has worked. You just have to commit to it. What's his alternative? Play 2025 vastly underpaid with no future guarantee, get franchise tagged to be vastly underpaid again with still no future guarantee, and then MAYBE hit FA as a 33-year-old and lose ~$50m with the time passed and no longer having the value of back-to-back 17.5 sack seasons?

I guess some of that is true. Still, he is under contract and isn't getting any younger. I just think he has a dumbass agent, they should of taken
what was offered IMO. We will see if they can move some money around and give him an offer that is fair to both sides, I don't know.
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(4 hours ago)Synric Wrote: He's under contract he can't hold out. If he is healthy and does not play he won't acrue a season so he will still be under contract for the Bengals in 2026.


Normally I agree the Bengals are usually terrible in contract situations but honestly I think Trey Hendrickson's Agent is really bad at his job. 

Completely agree.
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(4 hours ago)TCUBengal34 Wrote: Is Trey underpaid at $16mm? Yes.

Would any team in the NFL pay $30+MM for a DE who is over 30 and just started playing the best football of his career? No.

I think the Bengals are a cheap, poorly run franchise (mostly), but I honestly don't blame them here.

I think cap space needs taken into account too.

A lot of the discussion in this thread, doesn't factor in the cap. Like 'Yeah I'd pay him $35 million a year'. Is he worth that? Probably.

A team like the Browns can give Garrett a huge deal, because they don't have many good players that are highly paid.

The Steelers? They don't have a QB that's high paid.

The Bengals have a QB, and 2 WR's paid at the top of their position.

Pretty obvious they're trying to draft his replacement.
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(4 hours ago)Synric Wrote: He's under contract he can't hold out. If he is healthy and does not play he won't acrue a season so he will still be under contract for the Bengals in 2026.


Normally I agree the Bengals are usually terrible in contract situations but honestly I think Trey Hendrickson's Agent is really bad at his job. 

Well...he'll report just in time to accrue a season. Then, be a free agent. And...they'll tag him.
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He should play out his contract unless…they did tell him they would re-do his deal this off season. Trey says they told him that and they haven’t denied it so they painted themselves into this corner. I hope they somehow work it out but I really doubt this ends well.

Let’s not forget to place a little blame on our golden boys - Burrow took all he could get, Chase had to be paid top $ and then made sure Tee got his or he wasn’t signing either. They could have let Tee go and signed Trey but they had no choice because Chase was a must.

The team probably has some $ left for Trey but they have handled it poorly and the superstars on offense made sure they got theirs. Perfectly within their rights to do so but if they are losing 40-37 every week I don’t want to hear anyone crying about wasting Burrow/Chases primes. They helped make this bed so now they have to lie in it. (And yes it would be much better if the FO wasn’t still stuck in the past with how they run the team)
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(4 hours ago)Clark W Griswold Wrote: He should play out his contract unless…they did tell him they would re-do his deal this off season.  Trey says they told him that and they haven’t denied it so they painted themselves into this corner. I hope they somehow work it out but I really doubt this ends well.

Let’s not forget to place a little blame on our golden boys - Burrow took all he could get, Chase had to be paid top $ and then made sure Tee got his or he wasn’t signing either.  They could have let Tee go and signed Trey but they had no choice because Chase was a must.


The team probably has some $ left for Trey but they have handled it poorly and the superstars on offense made sure they got theirs.  Perfectly within their rights to do so but if they are losing 40-37 every week I don’t want to hear anyone crying about wasting Burrow/Chases primes.  They helped make this bed so now they have to lie in it.  (And yes it would be much better if the FO wasn’t still stuck in the past with how they run the team)

Yeah, lets blame the other players for getting paid what they deserve and taking the most that they could get...eye roll. 

It's not the players responsibility to make sure their teammates get paid. 

The front office screwed this up. Trey is a baby and isn't living up to the contract he signed. Both things are true. 

They should have traded him before the draft and just moved on. It's too late now. 
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Props to him for showing up. Hopefully it’s not to cause a circus. If not a hold in for voluntary workouts is a step in the right direction.
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(5 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: 1. That's not even close to what i was saying. 
2. If the offer was a lowball, it IS the FO fault.
3. Actually, it does work that way most of the time. They knew they got him at a bargain, he over-performed and they're not willing to say "well done, here's a little thanks". Their unwillingness most likely has more to do with his age. 
4. If they don't pay Watt what Garrett is making, they'll be damn close. 

Your post was a little confusing because it fit my previous post better than the one you responded to where i simply said they probably offered him less than he believed he was worth, what the current market is and guessed what they may have actually offered. 

What I took from Trey's comments was that he wants a long term deal, and evidently the team must be offering a shorter term deal.
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(4 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: The one comment from Trey that irks me is this: "Hendrickson: If I sat here with four sacks, they'd want a little (money) back." 

Could have been a shot at the Stewart pick! 

He seems to think the draft changed things. 
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I don't know much, but I do know that it's a bad look when a contract negotiation hits the top line on ESPN.com when there is so much other sports news to cover right now. Whoever is at fault, this is a mess.
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(4 hours ago)basballguy Wrote: I get both sides here.  

Trey deserves to get paid but the Bengals don't want to pay long term because it's clear most DEs fall off at 30.  Best case he might get double digit sacks at age 32.  

I feel like the Bengals are correct for trying to do a short term (2-3 year) extension.

I can agree with that line of thinking. Any time an NFL player's age starts with a 3, they should expect that to be the maximum length of a contract to be offered. Sure there are examples of some players playing at a high level well into their mid thirties, but those are the anomalies, rather than the norm. If I were in charge of the numbers, I would offer him a 2 year extension with a total value of $100M (including the $21.6M he was already scheduled to receive) and make $65M of that fully guaranteed in the first two seasons, leaving the Bengals with a potential out in 2027 should his play fall off of the proverbial cliff.
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(4 hours ago)WeezyBengal Wrote: Yeah, lets blame the other players for getting paid what they deserve and taking the most that they could get...eye roll. 

It's not the players responsibility to make sure their teammates get paid. 

The front office screwed this up. Trey is a baby and isn't living up to the contract he signed. Both things are true. 

They should have traded him before the draft and just moved on. It's too late now. 

“It's not the players responsibility to make sure their teammates get paid“

Interesting that you say that because Chase made damn sure his buddy Ted got paid, didn’t he?

Like I said - they are entitled to what they can get. But making sure Tee got his before he would sign gave the Bengals no choice.
FO sucks and they don’t know how to manipulate the cap line good teams do - I totally agree with that.
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I just don’t see why you wouldn’t offer to tac 1 year on for like 32M


Wr just can’t give 3 years
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How many of the years does he want guaranteed is the issue. More than 2?
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(4 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think cap space needs taken into account too.

A lot of the discussion in this thread, doesn't factor in the cap. Like 'Yeah I'd pay him $35 million a year'. Is he worth that? Probably.

A team like the Browns can give Garrett a huge deal, because they don't have many good players that are highly paid.

The Steelers? They don't have a QB that's high paid.

The Bengals have a QB, and 2 WR's paid at the top of their position.

Pretty obvious they're trying to draft his replacement.

The browns have a very expensive qb
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The NFL is weird.

Established players want paid from past performance.

Unestablished players want paid based on potential production.
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(3 hours ago)Big_Ern Wrote: The browns have a very expensive qb

Even at that- Burrow is a $55 million avg salary. Watson $46 million.

Chase is $40 million average salary. Garrett is also $40 million avg salary.

Then the Browns next guys are Ward at $20 million, Jeudy at 17.5, then it's down to 15 then it goes down more.

The Bengals have Higgins at almost 29 million, then Trey at 21 million, then OBJ at $16 million.

The Bengals roster is top heavy. The Browns have a bunch of guys that make between $10-15 million a year. The Bengals have a bunch at the top, then a bunch below $10 million.
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(4 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think cap space needs taken into account too.

A lot of the discussion in this thread, doesn't factor in the cap. Like 'Yeah I'd pay him $35 million a year'. Is he worth that? Probably.

A team like the Browns can give Garrett a huge deal, because they don't have many good players that are highly paid.

The Steelers? They don't have a QB that's high paid.

The Bengals have a QB, and 2 WR's paid at the top of their position.

Pretty obvious they're trying to draft his replacement.

We have around $17.6 mil in actual cap space (top 53, picks paid, PS cost). 

Taking Trey from $16 mil to $32 would eat almost all of it. No $$ for injury replacements or rollover for next year. Or a G or safety FA. 

Now, we could create around $9.5 mil more by waiving Pratt ($5.85) + Volson ($3.66). But that would only push us to $27 mil. 

That is the cap situation.
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(3 hours ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: We have around $17.6 mil in actual cap space (top 53, picks paid, PS cost). 

Taking Trey from $16 mil to $32 would eat almost all of it. No $$ for injury replacements or rollover for next year. Or a G or safety FA. 

Now, we could create around $9.5 mil more by waiving Pratt ($5.85) + Volson ($3.66). But that would only push us to $27 mil. 

That is the cap situation.

Do we know that they're planning on replacing Volson? For all we know, he's the starter.

Pratt is another interesting story.
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