Trey Hendrickson Update

[*ochocincos*]

(9 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Chase- 25 years old
Higgins- 26 years old
Hendrickson- 30 years old, and at a position where at that age production usually drops

I know that, but it's not like Hendrickson is actually showing any decline.
Let's not put ourselves into another Whitworth situation where the team decides to move on because they think he's too old despite not showing any real decline and then that player ends up being a cornerstone piece for a deep postseason/super bowl run for someone else.
TJ Watt and Myles Garrett just got top-dollar deals and they are about the same age as TH.
Sometimes you take the risk because the player is that good still at 29-30 years old.

[Essex Johnson]

(7 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I know that, but it's not like Hendrickson is actually showing any decline.
Let's not put ourselves into another Whitworth situation where the team decides to move on because they think he's too old despite not showing any real decline and then that player ends up being a cornerstone piece for a deep postseason/super bowl run for someone else.
TJ Watt and Myles Garrett just got top-dollar deals and they are about the same age as TH.
Sometimes you take the risk because the player is that good still at 29-30 years old.

Maybe they have the sour taste from signing geno who also was having a stellar career then he played  1 yr on new co tract and got hurt was finished

[Whacked]

(9 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Chase- 25 years old
Higgins- 26 years old
Hendrickson- 30 years old, and at a position where at that age production usually drops

Yes but, one could argue today's "30" is not the same as being 30 even 5 years ago. 

People are taking much better care of themselves with diet, nutrition, training and this certainly includes professional athletes

He was still a beast just 8 months ago

[Luvnit2]

Should we start a new thread or use this one to track Trey starting to pay MB and the Bengals to sit in Florida.

Mandtory camp missed = 98K
Day 1 TC = 50K (mandatory and can't be waived by team) Money also goes back into Bengals 2025 cap space

[*Nately120*]

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Should we start a new thread or use this one to track Trey starting to pay MB and the Bengals to sit in Florida.

Mandtory camp missed = 98K
Day 1 TC = 50K (mandatory and can't be waived by team) Money also goes back into Bengals 2025 cap space

Those might be the only updates we hear for a while, so I think it's fair to put them here. We should make a fine updater like one of those thermometers people color in when they're trying to reach a fund raising goal. 

[SunsetBengal]

(6 hours ago)Whacked Wrote: Yes but, one could argue today's "30" is not the same as being 30 even 5 years ago. 

People are taking much better care of themselves with diet, nutrition, training and this certainly includes professional athletes

He was still a beast just 8 months ago

Yeah, I'm not buying that "he's going to fall off a cliff" nonsense. Whitworth didn't fall off of any cliff like some claimed he would, when they rationalized why the team chose not to pay him his worth. Hendrickson obviously takes extremely good care of himself, as evidenced by not having had any major injuries to this point. I also played tackle football as an adult, on both offensive and defensive line. I had my best defensive stats ever in my age 32 season. I fully expect Hendrickson to keep producing at a high level for a few more years.

[*ochocincos*]

(6 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: Maybe they have the sour taste from signing geno who also was having a stellar career then he played  1 yr on new co tract and got hurt was finished

Yes, but a career-ending injury can happen at any age to any player.


I'm sure the Bengals are more worried about basically paying more guarantees and what happens if the older player decides to retire for whatever reason.
But maybe just give 2 years of extension guaranteed, as supposedly they are only offering 1 year and Hendrickson wants more than that.
And if we're being perfectly honest, Hendrickson has hit way above his pay rate while being a Bengal, so rewarding him with some more guaranteed even if he ends up getting an injury or retiring midway through is just kind of like rewarding him for that above-pay performance for the previous few years.

At the end of the day, if the Bengals are constantly going to be afraid of a player getting injured or retiring and that essentially meaning they could get paid for some year(s) not playing, it's going to impact their ability to sign certain impactful players.

[Essex Johnson]

(5 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: Yes, but a career-ending injury can happen at any age to any player.


I'm sure the Bengals are more worried about basically paying more guarantees and what happens if the older player decides to retire for whatever reason.
But maybe just give 2 years of extension guaranteed, as supposedly they are only offering 1 year and Hendrickson wants more than that.
And if we're being perfectly honest, Hendrickson has hit way above his pay rate while being a Bengal, so rewarding him with some more guaranteed even if he ends up getting an injury or retiring midway through is just kind of like rewarding him for that above-pay performance for the previous few years.

At the end of the day, if the Bengals are constantly going to be afraid of a player getting injured or retiring and that essentially meaning they could get paid for some year(s) not playing, it's going to impact their ability to sign certain impactful players.

Yes but more problematic with age, a younger geno might have recovere

[Essex Johnson]

(6 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Should we start a new thread or use this one to track Trey starting to pay MB and the Bengals to sit in Florida.

Mandtory camp missed = 98K
Day 1 TC = 50K (mandatory and can't be waived by team) Money also goes back into Bengals 2025 cap space

Or what Bengals will do with the $$ if Tre sits out all year

[SunsetBengal]

(4 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: Or what Bengals will do with the $$ if Tre sits out all year

My guess would be skiing trip to Switzerland. 

[*ochocincos*]

(4 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: Yes but more problematic with age, a younger geno might have recovere

Look, I get the argument, but it's really coming down to risk.
If you don't want to assume the risk of having to pay someone more for playing only part on their contract, you risk really impacting your team's future for the next few years while trying to find a replacement.
And the Bengals have notoriously not been able to find good replacements for their key higher-priced, elite (ish) players in recent years like Bates, Reader, and now potentially Hendrickson. How many years did it take to finally get competent LT play after Whitworth left? 7 years?

I think the organization needs to have a win-now mentality now that they finally have a team that could/should be super bowl worthy and have the focus be on winning a super bowl within the next 2-3 years.
Losing Hendrickson potentially even starting this year and having to rely on the likes of Ossai, Murphy, and Stewart is only going to lower those chances, as none of those guys are really even half as good as Hendrickson.

[Sled21]

(7 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I know that, but it's not like Hendrickson is actually showing any decline.
Let's not put ourselves into another Whitworth situation where the team decides to move on because they think he's too old despite not showing any real decline and then that player ends up being a cornerstone piece for a deep postseason/super bowl run for someone else.
TJ Watt and Myles Garrett just got top-dollar deals and they are about the same age as TH.
Sometimes you take the risk because the player is that good still at 29-30 years old.

And that's fine it that's the position people want to take. But if you take that position, you can't turn around and complain about the Bengals keeping aging players to long. History said Whitworth was close to done. He was an outlier. History says DE's fall off after 30, Trey may or may not be an outlier. But if a person is for keeping him (I am, just not a 3 or 4 year guarantee), then don't complain when we are paying him for no production. 

[ERIC1]

(4 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: Or what Bengals will do with the $$ if Tre sits out all year

Put it in a savings account because before we know it we will be gaving to deal with contract extensions with burrow..chase and higgins...you all have fun...back to the golf course..retirement is si much fun

[ERIC1]

(4 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: Look, I get the argument, but it's really coming down to risk.
If you don't want to assume the risk of having to pay someone more for playing only part on their contract, you risk really impacting your team's future for the next few years while trying to find a replacement.
And the Bengals have notoriously not been able to find good replacements for their key higher-priced, elite (ish) players in recent years like Bates, Reader, and now potentially Hendrickson. How many years did it take to finally get competent LT play after Whitworth left? 7 years?

I think the organization needs to have a win-now mentality now that they finally have a team that could/should be super bowl worthy and have the focus be on winning a super bowl within the next 2-3 years.
Losing Hendrickson potentially even starting this year and having to rely on the likes of Ossai, Murphy, and Stewart is only going to lower those chances, as none of those guys are really even half as good as Hendrickson.

Our defense..and granted there were many injuries..looked out if whack..like a highschool team..I think al golden will help to rectify that problem..have a great day

[Nicomo Cosca]

(4 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: Put it in a savings account because before we know it we will be gaving to deal with contract extensions with burrow..chase and higgins...you all have fun...back to the golf course..retirement is si much fun

Again

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, I'm not buying that "he's going to fall off a cliff" nonsense. Whitworth didn't fall off of any cliff like some claimed he would, when they rationalized why the team chose not to pay him his worth. Hendrickson obviously takes extremely good care of himself, as evidenced by not having had any major injuries to this point. I also played tackle football as an adult, on both offensive and defensive line. I had my best defensive stats ever in my age 32 season. I fully expect Hendrickson to keep producing at a high level for a few more years.

I don't see him falling off a cliff...............unless he gets injured as father time does have a way of changing nonsense to reality.

On the flip side, anyone can suffer a major injury, it just may be a little more likely for a 30 year old than a 26 year old.

On a side note, I am impressed you played tackle football at 32,, heck impressive at 28 to even find a league to do so.

[Luvnit2]

(4 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: Or what Bengals will do with the $$ if Tre sits out all year

Roll into 2026 or possibly use some to go toards signing Clowney or Smith after week 1 to a deal not guaranteed in case Trey returns.

[Soonerpeace]

(4 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: I think the organization needs to have a win-now mentality now that they finally have a team that could/should be super bowl worthy and have the focus be on winning a super bowl within the next 2-3 years.
Losing Hendrickson potentially even starting this year and having to rely on the likes of Ossai, Murphy, and Stewart is only going to lower those chances, as none of those guys are really even half as good as Hendrickson.

The organization has a strictly bottom line mentality. That’s not what the vast majority of owners are today. They act scared and frugal most of the time but not necessarily wholly impractical. They signed Tee because Joe and Chase wanted it. They signed Chase because of Joe. But they’d rather miss out on renewing a player than get stuck with an aging one. It’s just huge conservatism. I’m not saying anything you don’t know mind you. But some ownerships just simply are about winning and competing. Many have done it in business and it transcends. The Brown’s love having a team and Paul Brown’s legacy. But winning a SB isn’t an obsession.

[Tiger Teeth]

After this deal ends up happening, I'll miss this thread.

[Ell Prez]

(4 hours ago)Soonerpeace Wrote: The organization has a strictly bottom line mentality. That’s not what the vast majority of owners are today. They act scared and frugal most of the time but not necessarily wholly impractical. They signed Tee because Joe and Chase wanted it. They signed Chase because of Joe. But they’d rather miss out on renewing a player than get stuck with an aging one. It’s just huge conservatism. I’m not saying anything you don’t know mind you. But some ownerships just simply are about winning and competing. Many have done it in business and it transcends. The Brown’s love having a team and Paul Brown’s legacy. But winning a SB isn’t an obsession.

I think MB wants to win a Super Bowl. He just doesn’t know how. He thinks he’s right, all the time. Hes a smart man, and a good business man. But in sports you can’t always look at just the numbers if you want to win. But winning super bowls = more money. And he knows it, he just thinks his way of running a football team is best.