Whose side on you on? Trey, the Bengals or none?

[J24]

I'm on the side of the 2025 Bengals and that means signing Trey!

If the Bengals were truly smart they would have traded him before free agency and then signed a josh sweat caliber player.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 12:26 PM)J24 Wrote: I'm on the side of the 2025 Bengals and that means signing Trey!

If the Bengals were truly smart they would have traded him before free agency and then signed a josh sweat caliber player.

You do realize it takes two to trade, right? Nobody made an offer.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 12:37 PM)Sled21 Wrote: You do realize it takes two to trade, right? Nobody made an offer.

Plenty of teams reportedly made trade offers but the FO had unrealistic demands  for a trade.

[Millhouse]

(Yesterday, 09:44 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: The front office never gets the benefit of the doubt with me.

Sounds like things were promised, communication has sucked, and the Bengals aren't making Trey feel super valued.

At the same time, I really don't love how Trey has gone about things either. I think both parties have kind of been lame in this entire process.

This is kind of where I am too. If Bengals over the years had built up a ton of good credit in this arena, then I would be siding with them at this point for sure, but they haven't.

Regardless that being said, I can understand where both sides are coming from for this particular situation. So I'm not on either side, just hope he can get signed before training camp starts for the sake of the 2025 season. 

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 12:49 PM)J24 Wrote: Plenty of teams reportedly made trade offers but the FO had unrealistic demands  for a trade.

Trey and his dipstick agent promised the Bengals they would bring an offer of a 1st round pick. They failed to produce. If he was actually a top 5 DE like he thinks he is, a 1st rounder shouldn't be too much to ask, right?

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 09:35 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Except the Bengals allowed him to seek a trade and no team wanted to pay him what he wants and give up a 1st round draft pick. That's not on the Bengals. 
I'd be more forgiving of Trey's stance if the Bengals were making him play out his contract as it was signed. Instead, they are offering him a 12 million dollar raise that they don't have to. He's become a greedy Primadonna.

Once again...you just don't get it.

If the Bengals set the price too high, on purpose, that IS on the Bengals. 

I don't know how many times i've typed it but the Bengals were asking for a price that they're not willing to pay Trey. They don't want him going somewhere else so they price him out of the trade market, knowing his only option is them. 

It's ridiculous. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 09:44 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: The front office never gets the benefit of the doubt with me.

Sounds like things were promised, communication has sucked, and the Bengals aren't making Trey feel super valued.

At the same time, I really don't love how Trey has gone about things either. I think both parties have kind of been lame in this entire process.

QFT

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 02:36 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Once again...you just don't get it.

If the Bengals set the price too high, on purpose, that IS on the Bengals. 

I don't know how many times i've typed it but the Bengals were asking for a price that they're not willing to pay Trey. They don't want him going somewhere else so they price him out of the trade market, knowing his only option is them. 

It's ridiculous. 

I could us the exact same reasoning. Trey priced himself out of being signed because he wanted a trade and a 3 or 4 year contract.

Yep, it is ridiculous Trey would do that.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 01:24 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Trey and his dipstick agent promised the Bengals they would bring an offer of a 1st round pick. They failed to produce. If he was actually a top 5 DE like he thinks he is, a 1st rounder shouldn't be too much to ask, right?

I would think a late first/early second would be the legit price for a top 5 Edge player. When you consider age + new contract it probably goes to a mid 2nd/early third type of deal. Maybe a swap like a third & Tret for a first and 4th RD pickm

[*Nately120*]

(05-29-2025, 11:45 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: If he threatens to sit out after three games so he gets credit for a full season, say "ok, good luck in finding an organization that will sign you to a big deal knowing you have that kind of ethic, even in this league."

I gotta be honest, if the Steelers looked like a SB contender and they had a player who was a league leader and sat out and completely torpedoed their season I'd be pretty ok with him being in stripes next year.

Also, there are a lot of desperate and stupid GMs out there, and refusing to play for Mike Brown probably isn't something that 31 other teams are going to determine to be totally unreasonable and a deal-breaker when the player in question has talent. Pass rushers are a premium position, we aren't talking about a whiney RB or punter, here.  Someone would figure having a falling out with the Bengals' FO was pretty par for the course and sign him...whether or not that would be a great idea is another matter, but I think it'd get done.

(Yesterday, 12:37 PM)Sled21 Wrote: You do realize it takes two to trade, right? Nobody made an offer.

Wasn't the word that our FO was asking for way too much knowing they had nothing to lose by asking for the moon?  Maybe I'm down on Mikey and company, but I feel like his ability to make a big trade is completely hamstrung by Hue Jackson not being a GM.

(Yesterday, 12:49 PM)J24 Wrote: Plenty of teams reportedly made trade offers but the FO had unrealistic demands  for a trade.

MB - Sure, we'll trade him...give us ehhhhh four 1st round picks.
GM - No.
MB - No? Whaddayamean no?  Is Hue Jackson there? Put Hue on the phone.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 02:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I could us the exact same reasoning. Trey priced himself out of being signed because he wanted a trade and a 3 or 4 year contract.

Yep, it is ridiculous Trey would do that.

Team(s) were set to pay him. They just didn't want to give up what the Bengals were asking. 

[*Nately120*]

(Yesterday, 04:01 PM)J24 Wrote: I would think a late first/early second would be the legit price for a top 5 Edge player. When you consider age + new contract it probably goes to a mid 2nd/early third type of deal. Maybe a swap like a third & Tret for a first and 4th RD pickm

Oof, you know we'd use that late 1st round pick we got for him on a replacement pass rusher who had like 3 sacks back in junior high, too. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 04:47 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Team(s) were set to pay him. They just didn't want to give up what the Bengals were asking. 

They were not willing to pay the Bengals a 1st round pick which the agent promised. 

Please provide a reliable source multiple teams were offering at a minmum a 1st round pick, or are you making it up.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 05:07 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: They were not willing to pay the Bengals a 1st round pick which the agent promised. 

What the agent promises isn't really relevant. It's too pricy for a 30 y/o ED. The Bengals know this. They set the bar high so they have no one to 'bid against', per se. They have him trapped and they know it. 

I'm sure numerous teams would be willing to pay the contract he's looking for though, or something close. 

[*PhilHos*]

I would be on the side of both/neither if it wasn't for the fact that Trey asked for an extension last year when the Bengals were completely unable to do so under league rules. For that reason, I'm out ... er, I'm on the Bengals side (assuming they really did make him an offer)

[puddycat]

I'm on my side. I want to watch a team that can win close games.

Right now we have to do so with a one-dimensional offense. In case any of us here didn't the get the memo, this offseason shows that the Bengals have no interest in developing a running game. Did a single FA or draft pick make our run game better? Exactly.

And did we improve our pass rush? Maybe Shemar Stewart will be a surprise, but we signed/drafted a FA nose tackle and 3 LBs who aren't great pass rushers. And Cam Taylor-Britt is our CB1. The team desperately needs Hendrickson, way more than they ever needed Higgins, and can't even remain on speaking terms.

[NUGDUKWE]

I do tend to lean a little towards the players in my Fandom. So perhaps not shocking that I side with Trey and think the Bengals FO is at fault for this mess. I think they always want to try and get a bargain. Which worked out with Trey but now he wants to reap the rewards of being top 10 at his position. I honestly think he just wants a pay rate that puts him well within the top 10 and atleast a few years in length so he can put the money part behind him and just focus on his play in what is most likely his last multi-year deal.

I blame the Bengals because I don't think they ever took signing him seriously. I think they always try and get the bargain and while they probably did offer him something it either wasn't long enough or high enough possibly both. The way they did the other contracts didn't leave enough room to really get the kind of deal done that Trey would want. Then they draft a DE in the 1st rd which also points to them not wanting to sign him to what he wants. There is a reason we are the Bungles can we pick if it's because the FO or Trey?

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 11:06 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: They started and will always start is Trey at 15.8 million in 2025. So, Bengals if the report is true offered him 12.2 million for 2025, we have no idea if anything was offered longer term. 

I know you want Trey signed, but why should team give him 16.2 million or more than double his 2025 contract salary?

If he was offered 28 million and then also 30 to 32 million in years 2026 and 2027, that is a great offer by he Bengals who HAVE HIM UNDER CONTRACT.

I think your zest to overlook Trey's actions (going publc) and demands are tainting your opinion.

The only thing tainted around here is the Front Office's view on how to build a proper football team. Everyone with an ounce of sense knows that you build around the lines. Trey is an awesome DL, who deserves to be paid like his contemporaries. Even JaMarr Chase came out and said that Trey deserves the money he's looking for. The Bengals are still attempting to run a Professional Football Franchise like a small business and that tactic just doesn't work. They need to keep the star players, win a Championship or two, so that outside dollars pour into the team. But, it's going to take some spending on their part to get over that hump.

[XsandOs]

I find it difficult to believe that any Team would pay him $35.5 annually over 3-4 years with 50-60% guaranteed - irrespective of what the pocket talking heads say/write.

I view the conversation of trade as follows:
Trey's agent: We want a three year $107.5M contract, 60% guaranteed, and a first rounder to Bengals.
NFL GM: We would love to give your guy the contract (BS), but just don't have the draft capital we can afford a first rounder, but would be willing to give a day 2 early pick. Fully knowing the Bengals would not accept.

I don't feel the Bengals are asking too much. I feel that Teams who are contenders, have to pay others and just can't afford this guy's contract expectations. Teams who are not contenders, don't view a 30 year old, coming onto his third Team, as face-of-franchise player to satisfy their fans.

His best option is to stay with the Bengals. If he doesn't understand that, then its an issue of awareness. If he understands that, the its an issue of misplaced greed.  

Currently, he is not on Burrow's or Chase's level, but more on Higgin's level, in terms of pecking order. So, the offer is solid on the part of Bengals.

The sharks were circling us this year, thinking they could get a bite at Higgins and possibly Chase. The Bengals have gone beyond my expectations in signing Chase, Higgins, Hill and Gisecki. The drama that Trey is creating is just disappointing.

Sign the $28M offer, so we can move onto Scherff at RG!!!

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 02:36 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Once again...you just don't get it.

If the Bengals set the price too high, on purpose, that IS on the Bengals. 

I don't know how many times i've typed it but the Bengals were asking for a price that they're not willing to pay Trey. They don't want him going somewhere else so they price him out of the trade market, knowing his only option is them. 

It's ridiculous. 

No, you are the one who just doesn't get it. The Bengals' asking price was a 1st rounder. Trey and his agent told the Bengals they could get that. The Bengals gave him permission to seek the trade. NO ONE wanted to give up a 1st rounder. And you just want the Bengals to give him up for less? He's had 17.5 sacks the last two years, I would n't trade him to a team for less than a first either. Trey's problem is no one wanted to give up the draft capital AND pay him what he wants. You're the one who is ridiculous to suggest the Bengals should just let him go for less than a first because he whines.