Whose side on you on? Trey, the Bengals or none?

[*rfaulk34*]

(05-31-2025, 09:53 AM)Sled21 Wrote: First off, I'm not gleeful. Hendrickson is one of my favorite Bengals. But he's being a jerk, and those two things are not mutually exclusive. I get tired of hearing him whine about his contract every single year. He wants paid like a top 5 DE, and he's not. Fox Sports has him 8th, PFF has him 9th.
2024 10 Best NFL defensive ends: Myles Garrett, T.J. Watt lead rankings | FOX Sports
PFF Edge Defender Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

Hendrickson lost me when he turned his nose up at the 28 million.

While i agree that he likely thought the number was a bit low, i think the bigger sticking point is the number of years. That's the one thing he keeps harping on in almost every interview. He wants long term security. 

It's seemingly why he has come back multiple times for extensions. The Bengals gave him 4 years initially and the extension was for only 1 more year. He's "only" 30 years old. I'm sure he feels he still has 4 or 5 good years left. Plus, he's spoke several times of wanting to be here, not wanting to go to the highest bidder. 

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(05-31-2025, 10:55 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: While i agree that he likely thought the number was a bit low, i think the bigger sticking point is the number of years. That's the one thing he keeps harping on in almost every interview. He wants long term security. 

It's seemingly why he has come back multiple times for extensions. The Bengals gave him 4 years initially and the extension was for only 1 more year. He's "only" 30 years old. I'm sure he feels he still has 4 or 5 good years left. Plus, he's spoke several times of wanting to be here, not wanting to go to the highest bidder. 

[Sled21]

(05-31-2025, 10:55 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: While i agree that he likely thought the number was a bit low, i think the bigger sticking point is the number of years. That's the one thing he keeps harping on in almost every interview. He wants long term security. 

It's seemingly why he has come back multiple times for extensions. The Bengals gave him 4 years initially and the extension was for only 1 more year. He's "only" 30 years old. I'm sure he feels he still has 4 or 5 good years left. Plus, he's spoke several times of wanting to be here, not wanting to go to the highest bidder. 

And he's not going to get it at his age. He should make the money he can while he can. If he plays for 28 million this year and then he's out of his contract and he can go anywhere he wants. He KNOWS he's not going to get a long-term deal at his age, which is why he's trying to blackmail the Bengals.

[BoomerFan]

They are both wrong. And the likely compromises that would work will make them both unhappy and they aren't open to that.

There is a lack of love of football here. The Bengals FO and their nickel and dime act does not show love of football. It does not show sacrifice. You want your players to sacrifice? That starts from the top. OTOH Trey isn't acting like playing is a privilege that he would do for free. Many people would. Love means sacrifice. It means taking the chance on people you may have angered you or acted untrustworthy in the past. Or doing things that "you shouldn't have to do". Life isn't fair but you do get more out of it if you put more in.

[*rfaulk34*]

(05-31-2025, 11:21 AM)Sled21 Wrote: And he's not going to get it at his age. He should make the money he can while he can. If he plays for 28 million this year and then he's out of his contract and he can go anywhere he wants. He KNOWS he's not going to get a long-term deal at his age, which is why he's trying to blackmail the Bengals.

Riiiiiiiiight. 

[007BengalsFan]

(05-31-2025, 10:55 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: ....It's seemingly why he has come back multiple times for extensions. The Bengals gave him 4 years initially and the extension was for only 1 more year. He's "only" 30 years old. I'm sure he feels he still has 4 or 5 good years left. Plus, he's spoke several times of wanting to be here, not wanting to go to the highest bidder. 

Trey signed a 4 year contract but then came back to the Bengals after only playing two years of that contract wanting a raise.  Trey had just 8 sacks his second season with the Bengals and yet demanded a raise.   Guess what the Bengals did after Trey's 8 sack season?  They gave him the raise he wanted and added on an additional season for 21 million that included an additional 8 million dollar signing bonus just two years into his first contract.  

Trey then posts a 17.5 sack season in the 3 year of his first contract and comes back to the Bengals again for the 2nd year in a row and wants another raise.  At this point he still hasnt finished his first contract with the Bengals not to mention the additional year that was added.  Trey comes back again after his 4th season wanting a raise.  The guy wants a raise every year.  Play out the contract you signed.  Dont sign a contract them come back every year wanting a new contract when other guys get more money than you.  If the Bengals gave Trey another raise, he would just come back wanting to redo his contract the next year or year after like he always has done.

[007BengalsFan]

(05-30-2025, 08:38 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote:

reading about how Trey Hendrickson is "extremely dug in"

he should be

with him not playing (off the field), Cincy's pass D last 2 yrs:

#32 pressure %
#32 completion %
#32 success %
#32 passer rating

with him on the field, Cincy's def ranks TOP-12 in EVERY ONE OF THOSE STATS

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) May 29, 2025

 

If Trey is dug in the Bengals need to sign Za'Darius Smith with some of the money they have left to make sure we have a good edge rusher for the coming season.  If Trey wants to sit or retire we need to make sure we have guys signed that can come in a take his place.  At this point we cant count on Trey being there.  Either get a deal done now or sign Smith as Trey's replacement.

[samhain]

(05-31-2025, 08:27 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Trey signed a 4 year contract but then came back to the Bengals after only playing two years of that contract wanting a raise.  Trey had just 8 sacks his second season with the Bengals and yet demanded a raise.   Guess what the Bengals did after Trey's 8 sack season?  They gave him the raise he wanted and added on an additional season for 21 million that included an additional 8 million dollar signing bonus just two years into his first contract.  

Trey then posts a 17.5 sack season in the 3 year of his first contract and comes back to the Bengals again for the 2nd year in a row and wants another raise.  At this point he still hasnt finished his first contract with the Bengals not to mention the additional year that was added.  Trey comes back again after his 4th season wanting a raise.  The guy wants a raise every year.  Play out the contract you signed.  Dont sign a contract them come back every year wanting a new contract when other guys get more money than you.  If the Bengals gave Trey another raise, he would just come back wanting to redo his contract the next year or year after like he always has done.

That's all well and good, but the fact is that the market for pass rushers exploded.  As always, the Browns up and screwed everyone.  

If I were the Bengals, I would offer Trey the Danielle Hunter deal.  Boost him for this season, potentially one more.  Offer the exact 35 mil deal.  Trey probably wants more years, but if that's the case, then let him get it elsewhere after he makes 70 mil here.  He'll still have to play at a high level if he wants to get paid at his age.  

I get that people think he should shut up and accept the deal, but that's an extremely unrealistic take.  As an organization, you have to show that you will reward players that exceed their contracts with elite play.  To operate otherwise is bush league.  17.5 sacks two years in a row is as elite as it gets.  Add in the fact that you're absolutely cooked without him and the picture starts to become a lot clearer.  

On the other hand, if he wants 40 mil or more than 2 years, that's a problem.  You don't want to get left holding the bag on an aging and unproductive player.  

I'll never get people that side with the family over a proven player.  They came to Moss, Stone, and Volson and shook them down due to their level of play in relation to contract.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  

Everyone needs to stop hiding from the truth here: without Trey, this season is dead in the water.  Al Golden ain't putting on a uniform and boosting this horrific defense.  They did jack shit in FA.  They are every bit as eager to screw their first rounder as they are Trey.  If Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter are what people are hanging their hopes on for a championship defense, then good effing luck with that.  

[samhain]

(05-31-2025, 08:34 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: If Trey is dug in the Bengals need to sign Za'Darius Smith with some of the money they have left to make sure we have a good edge rusher for the coming season.  If Trey wants to sit or retire we need to make sure we have guys signed that can come in a take his place.  At this point we cant count on Trey being there.  Either get a deal done now or sign Smith as Trey's replacement.

Smith would be a guy I'd love to see them sign, but thinking of him as a replacement for 91 is extremely, uh... optimistic?  League sack leader vs dude that's still a FA in June?  Not a viable strategy.

[007BengalsFan]

(05-31-2025, 08:49 PM)samhain Wrote: Smith would be a guy I'd love to see them sign, but thinking of him as a replacement for 91 is extremely, uh... optimistic?  League sack leader vs dude that's still a FA in June?  Not a viable strategy.

Smith usually puts up about 10 sacks a season.  Although he is not at Hendrickson's level he could still be quite helpful to have on the defense.  Imagine if Hendrickson just retires what would the defense be like.  Having Smith would blunt this.  The Bengals cant get caught with their pants down on this one.  They need to be ready for not having Hendrickson on this defense. 

[sandwedge]

(05-31-2025, 08:46 PM)samhain Wrote: That's all well and good, but the fact is that the market for pass rushers exploded.  As always, the Browns up and screwed everyone.  

If I were the Bengals, I would offer Trey the Danielle Hunter deal.  Boost him for this season, potentially one more.  Offer the exact 35 mil deal.  Trey probably wants more years, but if that's the case, then let him get it elsewhere after he makes 70 mil here.  He'll still have to play at a high level if he wants to get paid at his age.  

I get that people think he should shut up and accept the deal, but that's an extremely unrealistic take.  As an organization, you have to show that you will reward players that exceed their contracts with elite play.  To operate otherwise is bush league.  17.5 sacks two years in a row is as elite as it gets.  Add in the fact that you're absolutely cooked without him and the picture starts to become a lot clearer.  

On the other hand, if he wants 40 mil or more than 2 years, that's a problem.  You don't want to get left holding the bag on an aging and unproductive player.  

I'll never get people that side with the family over a proven player.  They came to Moss, Stone, and Volson and shook them down due to their level of play in relation to contract.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  

Everyone needs to stop hiding from the truth here: without Trey, this season is dead in the water.  Al Golden ain't putting on a uniform and boosting this horrific defense.  They did jack shit in FA.  They are every bit as eager to screw their first rounder as they are Trey.  If Demetrius Knight and Barrett Carter are what people are hanging their hopes on for a championship defense, then good effing luck with that.  

I think Trey would be better served to play out this season on his current contract and then you comeback and hit the Bengals with the amount he wants. They couldn't FT him and he would be free to find someone who will pay him. He would have the leverage then.

[*Nately120*]

(05-31-2025, 10:10 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I think Trey would be better served to play out this season on his current contract and then you comeback and hit the Bengals with the amount he wants. They couldn't FT him and he would be free to find someone who will pay him. He would have the leverage then.

He already has the leverage if our defense is going to be ranked #32 in the league without him. And if the FO wins the argument and he plays for 1 more year on his current contract, he's going to get a that big payday he wants because the NFL is full of GMs who don't own the team and make crazy signings because they aren't able to shuffle their feet for 35 years like Mike Brown does.

I assume we just force him to play out his contract here, which means we have 2025 to win the SB because he's going to get a big deal in 2026 and it won't be from us, or else we'd give him one now, so our defense 2026 onward is going to risk being ultra crap.  Maybe we had just start telling ourselves that having the 32nd ranked defense is a good thing, because Burrow will see winning it all with that D as the ultimate challenge, or something.

[NUGDUKWE]

(05-31-2025, 11:21 AM)Sled21 Wrote: And he's not going to get it at his age. He should make the money he can while he can. If he plays for 28 million this year and then he's out of his contract and he can go anywhere he wants. He KNOWS he's not going to get a long-term deal at his age, which is why he's trying to blackmail the Bengals.

Honestly I don't even think the years even matter. He's already proven he's willing to sign a Bengals contract with limited guarantees. He's been all the player we could ask for just give him what he wants and have some outs in the later part. This could've and should've already been done but I think the Bengals never intended to give him his deal.

[sandwedge]

(05-31-2025, 10:34 PM)Nately120 Wrote: He already has the leverage if our defense is going to be ranked #32 in the league without him. And if the FO wins the argument and he plays for 1 more year on his current contract, he's going to get a that big payday he wants because the NFL is full of GMs who don't own the team and make crazy signings because they aren't able to shuffle their feet for 35 years like Mike Brown does.

I assume we just force him to play out his contract here, which means we have 2025 to win the SB because he's going to get a big deal in 2026 and it won't be from us, or else we'd give him one now, so our defense 2026 onward is going to risk being ultra crap.  Maybe we had just start telling ourselves that having the 32nd ranked defense is a good thing, because Burrow will see winning it all with that D as the ultimate challenge, or something.

I suspect our D will be better than the last year's. Will it be better with Trey, no doubt, but either way I feel it will be better.

[Browns Town Bengal]

(05-30-2025, 10:48 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I'm not really nasty...but no, i don't have to work at it. 

It actually takes time to get there but my vitriol, spite, disgust, whatever you want to call it, flows smooth and naturally. 

Conversely, people that know me know i'm a good-humored, honest, genuine, nice, fun to be around person. 

Thats what all the undesirable ladies on Tinder say  

[Sled21]

(05-30-2025, 10:50 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I am curious though. How is Quoted For Truth nasty?

Is that what QFT was? If so, I apologize. I read it as "Quit F'n Talking"

[Sled21]

(05-31-2025, 08:27 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Trey signed a 4 year contract but then came back to the Bengals after only playing two years of that contract wanting a raise.  Trey had just 8 sacks his second season with the Bengals and yet demanded a raise.   Guess what the Bengals did after Trey's 8 sack season?  They gave him the raise he wanted and added on an additional season for 21 million that included an additional 8 million dollar signing bonus just two years into his first contract.  

Trey then posts a 17.5 sack season in the 3 year of his first contract and comes back to the Bengals again for the 2nd year in a row and wants another raise.  At this point he still hasnt finished his first contract with the Bengals not to mention the additional year that was added.  Trey comes back again after his 4th season wanting a raise.  The guy wants a raise every year.  Play out the contract you signed.  Dont sign a contract them come back every year wanting a new contract when other guys get more money than you.  If the Bengals gave Trey another raise, he would just come back wanting to redo his contract the next year or year after like he always has done.

Exactly! The "Just give him what he wants" crowd doesn't seem to realized if they do it for Trey, next year every player will be following the same pattern. And for the record, I still believe they will get a deal done.

[samhain]

(06-01-2025, 10:23 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Exactly! The "Just give him what he wants" crowd doesn't seem to realized if they do it for Trey, next year every player will be following the same pattern.

Terrible and nonsensical argument. I'd say if everyone on the roster performs well enough to deserve the kind of raise he wants, then it's a good problem to have.  We all know that that scenario will never occur.  So no, every player will not want a raise if you give one to Trey.  The team takes when players underperform.

You have to have your head buried pretty deep in the sand to suggest that what a top 5 player on the roster and elite player in the league does will impact "every player".  

In case you haven't been watching, almost every high end player in the league wants a raise when he outperforms his deal.  Most teams deal with this at some point.  It just happens to be our turn now.  

[NUGDUKWE]

(06-01-2025, 10:33 AM)samhain Wrote: Terrible and nonsensical argument. I'd say if everyone on the roster performs well enough to deserve the kind of raise he wants, then it's a good problem to have.  We all know that that scenario will never occur.  So no, every player will not want a raise if you give one to Trey.  The team takes when players underperform.

You have to have your head buried pretty deep in the sand to suggest that what a top 5 player on the roster and elite player in the league does will impact "every player".  

In case you haven't been watching, almost every high end player in the league wants a raise when he outperforms his deal.  Most teams deal with this at some point.  It just happens to be our turn now.  

Agree with all of this. We don't have alot of players that are top 5ish at their positions. We've signed the others already and if we end up with more than all the better. I also made the point that the final year of contracts only exists with the middle of the road players anymore as the elite want a new contract and the bad are cut or take a paycut. The Bengals have shown they are all on board with the latter so you can't be upset at the elite players.

I still just think the Bengals never intended to sign Trey unless he was willing to take what they felt was a bargain. The way they did the contracts this year left very little money and then they drafted Stewart in rd 1. I saw reports they had a couple of DTs ahead of Stewart in rd 1 so maybe it was open until that pick. 

Really no reason for the Bengals not to sign him other than being cheap. He hasn't hung on to the guaranteed money in the past so most likely he won't now. Give him the money and years he wants and if he doesnt live up to it towards the tail end then part ways and save some money. 

[ERIC1]

(05-30-2025, 07:33 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Why are you so gleeful about our favorite team allowing a guy whose a bonafide elite player at his position, a key, critical position at that, to simply walk down the road? Are you secretly rooting against the Bengals or something? 

Football is a team sport and organism into itself..this bonifide player you speak to has not helped the defense that much..and apparently ...as far as we know,... other teams dont place the same high value on hendrickson that some on thie Board" do