Is Shemar holding out?

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(06-28-2025, 02:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: yeah, Houston screwed that up for EVERYONE

The wait and see approach for second rounders was based on the potential outcome of the collusion case against NFL owners. Although the arbitrator ruled against NFLPA, the spillover of the following statement can have consequences for both veteran and non-first round rookie contracts:


“There is little question that the NFL Management Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged the 32 NFL Clubs to reduce guarantees in veterans’ contracts at the March 2022 annual owners’ meeting.”

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(06-24-2025, 02:29 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree, like 20 other teams have had this clause in their rookie contracts for years. The moment the Bengals do it for the first time everybody
jumps on them and acts like they are the worst FO of all time because Shemar was told by his agent not to sign. We can hate on the Bengals
FO but we also have to try and not be biased. I admit it though, I am biased against the agents that don't get the players they represent playing
football for the team that drafted them.

Same with being biased against Trey's dumbass agent.

But Ja'Marr's got his and Tee's deals done so that agent is excluded and doing things the right way in my eyes.


Travis Hunter has been practicing while not being signed. That is a football player. Shemar has let me down listening to his agent and not 
practicing. I was one of the few that was behind the pick and now I am not so sure.

After some time reflecting on this issue, I have landed on the same place as you. I have seen some posters saying that if the Bengals are going to implement this clause, then they should give some additional benefit to the Shemar. I don't know why that would be the case. If it's a standard clause other teams have had for years, implementing that should not impact the amount of money dispersed to Shemar.

Furthermore, Shemar should be grateful that he was selected #17, and thus he has been slotted financially that high. There are many analysts that felt this was a reach for someone with so few sacks in college; at any rate, if the Bengals had not selected him, he could have been selected much later and be looking at considerably less money just from fitting into a later slot. 

Maybe the Bengals can just throw a little bit more money at him so that he and his agent can save face, but I think it is Shemar that needs to be the one that gives in if indeed it is this clause that he is reacting to by holding out.

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(4 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: After some time reflecting on this issue, I have landed on the same place as you. I have seen some posters saying that if the Bengals are going to implement this clause, then they should give some additional benefit to the Shemar. I don't know why that would be the case. If it's a standard clause other teams have had for years, implementing that should not impact the amount of money dispersed to Shemar.

Furthermore, Shemar should be grateful that he was selected #17, and thus he has been slotted financially that high. There are many analysts that felt this was a reach for someone with so few sacks in college; at any rate, if the Bengals had not selected him, he could have been selected much later and be looking at considerably less money just from fitting into a later slot. 

Maybe the Bengals can just throw a little bit more money at him so that he and his agent can save face, but I think it is Shemar that needs to be the one that gives in if indeed it is this clause that he is reacting to by holding out.

1. It's not about extra. It's about the fair payout of existing guarantees. If you have this language and you want to give him 20% at signing and then the other 80% at the end of the year, that's not exactly fair. If you're the signee and you're getting 50%-75% at signing, then the rest at the end of the year, this language is easier to swallow, since you've already gotten the majority up front. It's not really fair to say, sign this, with this language and here's your 20% so if you're a knucklead between now and December, we get to keep the largest portion of what would have been your guarantee. 

2. No one should be grateful they signed at any position. If a team drafts you, they like you at that spot. They don't say, "well, we drafted you early so you should be grateful and take less because you weren't projected til pic X". No team does that. 

3. It's not about saving face. It's about both sides getting a fair deal. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(4 hours ago)Nepa Wrote: After some time reflecting on this issue, I have landed on the same place as you. I have seen some posters saying that if the Bengals are going to implement this clause, then they should give some additional benefit to the Shemar. I don't know why that would be the case. If it's a standard clause other teams have had for years, implementing that should not impact the amount of money dispersed to Shemar.

Furthermore, Shemar should be grateful that he was selected #17, and thus he has been slotted financially that high. There are many analysts that felt this was a reach for someone with so few sacks in college; at any rate, if the Bengals had not selected him, he could have been selected much later and be looking at considerably less money just from fitting into a later slot. 

Maybe the Bengals can just throw a little bit more money at him so that he and his agent can save face, but I think it is Shemar that needs to be the one that gives in if indeed it is this clause that he is reacting to by holding out.

Agree that if it is a standard clause and similar to what the other teams do, Shemar should of just signed and should be practicing by now.

I saw on Good Morning Football where all the talking heads were saying he should of just kept his mouth shut about the entire thing.

Shemar is the one that is looking bad here and it is hurting him the most by holding out, same with Trey honestly because his agent is simply
not good at his job. We don't know all the details though, so the FO is probably being cheap as well, so they also shelter some of the blame.

In the end as long as Shemar is playing by the regular season, I am happy, I think he will be an upgrade over what we saw from Sam the last
couple years with his athleticism alone. He is a good run stopper and he gets lots of pressures when he keeps his head up.

(3 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: 1. It's not about extra. It's about the fair payout of existing guarantees. If you have this language and you want to give him 20% at signing and then the other 80% at the end of the year, that's not exactly fair. If you're the signee and you're getting 50%-75% at signing, then the rest at the end of the year, this language is easier to swallow, since you've already gotten the majority up front. It's not really fair to say, sign this, with this language and here's your 20% so if you're a knucklead between now and December, we get to keep the largest portion of what would have been your guarantee. 

2. No one should be grateful they signed at any position. If a team drafts you, they like you at that spot. They don't say, "well, we drafted you early so you should be grateful and take less because you weren't projected til pic X". No team does that. 

3. It's not about saving face. It's about both sides getting a fair deal. 

Yeah, there is a middle ground that needs to be looked at here pretty sure. 

But if it is similar to what other teams are doing Shemar has no excuse. Have you read the clause the Bengals put in Shemar's contract or 
are you just guessing the Bengals are being that cheap? 

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(59 minutes ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree that if it is a standard clause and similar to what the other teams do, Shemar should of just signed and should be practicing by now.

I saw on Good Morning Football where all the talking heads were saying he should of just kept his mouth shut about the entire thing.

Shemar is the one that is looking bad here and it is hurting him the most by holding out, same with Trey honestly because his agent is simply
not good at his job. We don't know all the details though, so the FO is probably being cheap as well, so they also shelter some of the blame.

In the end as long as Shemar is playing by the regular season, I am happy, I think he will be an upgrade over what we saw from Sam the last
couple years with his athleticism alone. He is a good run stopper and he gets lots of pressures when he keeps his head up.


Yeah, there is a middle ground that needs to be looked at here pretty sure. 

But if it is similar to what other teams are doing Shemar has no excuse. Have you read the clause the Bengals put in Shemar's contract or 
are you just guessing the Bengals are being that cheap? 

Guesstimate based on what i've read about previous contracts and guarantees. The payouts have been a sticking point in several contract negotiations in recent years.