Notes From Training Camp 2025

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 09:21 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I'm all for the Bengals bringing him in. I was listening to the recent Rapien and Liscow Locked on Bengals, both have been at the practices this week, and they observed the IOL needs, as expected, some work. The OL overall could probably use more guys competing for the reserve spots as well.

I know that some of us were hoping for Scherff to be brought on, but he might be finished. Hernandez would also be a perfect battle tested polished veteran to plug and play on the Right side next to Mims, while the rookie Fairchild grows through his learning curve on the Left side.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 11:21 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: A lot of it has to do with what he was asked to do at AM as well. He was constantly asked to attack the B gap in their scheme. They pretty much said just go attack the inside and wreak as much havoc as possible. That's not going to get you a ton of recorded production, but will help out the team as a whole. 
Im really, really starting to sell myself on the pick. I think there is a lot of untapped production the Bengals can get out of him. 

True and not true. He played alot more true 4-3 End snaps where he had to attack the Offensive Tackle compared to guys like Mike Green and James Pearce that were strictly 34 OLBs and worked with more space.


That doesn't discount thr fact that Shemar missed a ton of plays for missed tackles, bad body control when he was in thr backfield, and slow hands with bad placement. He is an athletic freak and can cause havoc in thr back field but he left alot of plays on the field. We also have to remember 2024 was his first year as the full time starter so he's growing.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 12:53 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: One question..was the bengals offense one if the best in the nfl last year even with significant injuries to our starting tackles and mediocre players, as you suggest?  Yes...and injury free this year..mims having experience under his belt, addition  of fairchild .and even volsons matuaration and new coach..it should even be better this year...have a great day..off to the golf course

Bengals last year were 6th in Points For, 9th in Total Yards.
There's room to grow, as they were not Top 3 nor Top 5.
They were top marks in passing, but I would argue that was IN SPITE OF the OL, as the Bengals allowed 48 sacks last year, which was 12th most in the league.
In a heavy passing offense, you should want as much pass protection as possible to protect the QB, and being bottom half of the league in sacks allowed is not good.

Why are you touting up Volson, who is now going into his 4th year and has not shown to be even solid performance his first 3 years and got benched in favor of Cody Ford of all people partway through last year?
I've given up on the dude.

Who do you see as the RG that is going to put up solid-or-better performance?
And what I consider solid around 25 or less total pressures and 4 or less sacks allowed.
Volson allowed 6 sacks and 43 total pressures last year.
Cody Ford allowed 5 sacks and 37 total pressures last year.
Lucas Patrick only allowed 10 total pressures and 0 sacks on 330 pass blocking snaps last year, but he didn't play a single snap at RG.
The last time Patrick played significant snaps at RG, it was 2020 (5 years ago).
Patrick is probably the best hope to cover RG from a pass protection standpoint, but it's been a minute, and he's currently injured, so there's natural worry there.

How do you have so much faith and confidence in things?

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 12:53 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: One question..was the bengals offense one if the best in the nfl last year even with significant injuries to our starting tackles and mediocre players, as you suggest?  Yes...and injury free this year..mims having experience under his belt, addition  of fairchild .and even volsons matuaration and new coach..it should even be better this year...have a great day..off to the golf course

Ricky Bobby said it, f you are not first, you are last. Yes, the Bengals offense was great in 2025, but they were not close to the best offense in the NFL. That should be the goal of the FO, coaches and players. It is the FO's job to improve a very good offensive roster. We can debate if adding Risner or Hernandez to take the roster spot of our current 6th best guard is an upgrade, but it likely would be.

Bengals have cap space, use it to upgrade the OL if they feel it is an uograde. Adding a vet OL like the 2 I mentioned may end up being a luxary if the others incuding a rookie pan out, but there are also injuries, so having a proven vet as a backuo swing OG ony makes us better in my humble opinion.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 01:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I know that some of us were hoping for Scherff to be brought on, but he might be finished. Hernandez would also be a perfect battle tested polished veteran to plug and play on the Right side next to Mims, while the rookie Fairchild grows through his learning curve on the Left side.

I second signing Hernandez if he is healthy. He may be cleared, but does not mean he is NFL ready.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-28-2025, 05:40 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This is true and why we are ranked in top 10 versus top 5. The good news is we are close. The bad news is we may have done little to nothing to improve our runniing game as 60% is still in tact. Mims though is young and hopefully improves while Brown and Karras are not great run blockers as vets so unlikely they get better.

We will see if the new additons improve our run game, but I have my doubts. Sadly, I don't think there is a FA OL available that could help us in 2025 and trades are not likely.

A new OL coach in Peters could help though. Like you said, Mims is young and should get much better and could become elite. Fairchild 
is also young and very moldable with good coaching. Orlando and Ted are solid but had poor play around them, it could certainly get better.

[TecmoBengals]

(Yesterday, 11:42 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I think they've been in pads 1 day. 

Correct. 

[BengalsBong]

I would like to see Matt Lee at center and Karras at RG. Karras is old and we will need to move on soon from him we need to find his replacement soon and it would be nice to still have him on the team as we do.

We could at least take a look at this combo in training camp and preseason some.

It is early in camp but if nobody steps up to take the RG spot and run off with it then we need to try all options.

If they refuse to add any new guards to the team.

[Whatever]

(Yesterday, 01:24 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: I would like to see Matt Lee at center and Karras at RG. Karras is old and we will need to move on soon from him we need to find his replacement soon and it would be nice to still have him on the team as we do.

We could at least take a look at this combo in training camp and preseason some.

It is early in camp but if nobody steps up to take the RG spot and run off with it then we need to try all options.

A rookie LG next to a second year guy that only played as the 6th OL last year is a recipe for disaster.

[*pally*]

behind a paywall

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6520634/2025/07/29/cincinnati-bengals-zack-moss-training-camp/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=2556982&source=dailyemail


Zach Moss says he was injured in game 1 last season, but after the Eagles game, he lost feeling in his arm and some fingers. The CT revealed he broke c-6 in 3 different places. Until the Eagles game, the only symptom he had was a sore neck, which he received treatment and chiropractic care for

The prescription was minimal movement for several months while wearing a neck brace. He mentioned that he heard very little from the team during his recovery...not even check-ins to see how he was doing

After months of sitting, he is on the NFI list for conditioning reasons. But he is also fighting some inner demons between balancing the desire to play and the desire to be there for his young family after such a scary injury

He sounds like he almost wants the team to decide for him. I don't think we will see him on the field this year. IR or cut will be his outcome. If he is cut, he ultimately retires. I'm leaning towards IR since his salary hit on the cap is the same.

[BengalsBong]

(Yesterday, 01:26 PM)Whatever Wrote: A rookie LG next to a second year guy that only played as the 6th OL last year is a recipe for disaster.

He has Orlando Brown next to him ffs.

And the center will have an exp vet at RG next to him.

[WeezyBengal]

(Yesterday, 01:27 PM)pally Wrote: behind a paywall

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6520634/2025/07/29/cincinnati-bengals-zack-moss-training-camp/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983&userId=2556982&source=dailyemail


Zach Moss says he was injured in game 1 last season, but after the Eagles game, he lost feeling in his arm and some fingers.  The CT revealed he broke c-6 in 3 different places.  Until the Eagles game, the only symptom he had was a sore neck, which he received treatment and chiropractic care for

The prescription was minimal movement for several months while wearing a neck brace.  He mentioned that he heard very little from the team during his recovery...not even check-ins to see how he was doing

After months of sitting, he is on the NFI list for conditioning reasons.  But he is also fighting some inner demons between balancing the desire to play and the desire to be there for his young family after such a scary injury

He sounds like he almost wants the team to decide for him.  I don't think we will see him on the field this year.  IR or cut will be his outcome.  If he is cut, he ultimately retires.  I'm leaning towards IR since his salary hit on the cap is the same.

Sounds about right. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 11:10 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: we were at practice...its slow motion  lets not get anyone hurt...aside from burrow completing some oretty passes to various recivers...and  burton actually showing up ...you cant determine a darn thing about anything at this point in time..lol@ Rapien and liscow

More like lol@ERIC1, amirite??

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 11:17 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I can get that (with some math).

Stewart - 39 total pressures/315 pass rush snaps = 12.38% pressure rate

Pearce - 55 total pressures/254 pass rush snaps = 21.65% pressure rate

Ezeiruaku - 60 total pressures/428 pass rush snaps = 14.02% pressure rate

Green - 59 total pressures/354 pass rush snaps = 16.67% pressure rate

Stewart is kinda close to Ezeriuaku, but Ez went 44th overall.

Stewart just hasn't been an overly high pressure guy, but he has the athletic profile to suggest he could be...with the right coaching and mentality.
He doesn't NEED to be a double-digit sack guy, but he does need to have 6-8 a year to be considered worthy of a 1st round selection, IMO. Especially with all the edge talent that was there in the 2nd round.

It shows up clearly, on film, if you're not looking for something else...

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 11:21 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: A lot of it has to do with what he was asked to do at AM as well. He was constantly asked to attack the B gap in their scheme. They pretty much said just go attack the inside and wreak as much havoc as possible. That's not going to get you a ton of recorded production, but will help out the team as a whole. 
Im really, really starting to sell myself on the pick. I think there is a lot of untapped production the Bengals can get out of him. 

He rushed from the outside many, many, many, many, many times and was handled by a tackle on an island on most of them. He was not hard to contain. 

[BengalsBong]

I was all for vets on the O-line when Pollock was here since he was bad at coaching guys up.

With Peters here now we can at least get a good look at the youth to see if he can make something out of them.

It's early in camp still so hopefully we get to see a lot of growth in the next few weeks.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 11:33 AM)TecmoBengals Wrote: A live look in at ERIC1 on his computer.

This is the one that always comes to my mind. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 11:55 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: It can't be any worse, literally. 

Shemar trying to keep up with Lamar in the pocket is going to be LIGHT YEARS better than Hubbard trying to keep up with him last year. No disrespect to Hubbard, but he was just a shell of himself last year. 

So much hope...

I'm not meaning to attack your stance, personally. I just keep seeing all this talk and it makes me sad how disappointed so many are going to be. 

Shemar tests off the chart. Shemar doesn't change direction very well. He's very clunk in his movement. Lamar is super twitchy. Shemar is not. It's not going to be any more pretty than what Hubbard did. 

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 01:40 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: So much hope...

I'm not meaning to attack your stance, personally. I just keep seeing all this talk and it makes me sad how disappointed so many are going to be. 

Shemar tests off the chart. Shemar doesn't change direction very well. He's very clunk in his movement. Lamar is super twitchy. Shemar is not. It's not going to be any more pretty than what Hubbard did. 

Hubbard was a really smooth mover. Just had no twitch. I remember arguing he was more athletic than Cael Lawson who was straight line explosive but stiff.

[*rfaulk34*]

(Yesterday, 12:29 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: This is just false. Good equals at least above average.
Even if Fairchild ends up being great like we all hope the rest have proven to be mediocre at best.
Ford is a career back up, Patrick has been serviceable but nothing special and Volson is below average. They could use another guard for sure.

You have to be trolling because even the biggest homer could not honestly say the Bengals guards are good.  We can only hope they raise their play to a mediocre level as that would actually be a big improvement.

I've been saying it from the very beginning...