Wow....Each team got 432.6 million this week revenue sharing

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 10:15 AM)George Cantstandya Wrote: I think the closest we can come is guessing that it is less than the Packers.  

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/nfl/nfl-revenue-sharing-2025/3796619/


I don't know how much the Bengals market compares to the Packers but I am guessing it is quite a bit lower. Forbes had the Packers valued at 5.6 billion in 2024 ranked 13th and the Bengals at 4.1 billion ranked last at 32.  

So I don't know, looking at the Packers numbers maybe around 40-50 million for the Bengals????  I don't know enough about all the financial stuff so I'm just throwing that out there as a guess.

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/07/23/ninth-home-game-boosts-packers-revenue-into-record-territory-green-bay/85193770007/

$719.1m in revenue for 2024
They claimed $635.4m in expenses.

Keep in mind the Packers invest a lot in local real estate. So when they go "our expenses were..." it can include spending tens of millions on real estate. Also unlike cap accounting, REAL accounting the signing bonus will be in that year. So for instance while Joe Burrow only had a $19.5m cap hit in 2023 when he signed his extension, the Bengals expenses showed that he got $45.5m in cash in 2023.

Ultimately any team can make themselves look like they're losing money if they want to. We saw it for ages with college football programs. Alamaba would build a $45m training complex or whatever so that the same year they could claim they only had $450k in profits or something so OBVIOUSLY they couldn't possibly pay their (at the time) "student athletes" a fair share of what they produced.

Perfect example... the Packers claimed "depreciation of construction" as an "expense". They also have expenses of investing in restaurants and bars that they own around the stadium, which is just them spending some money now to make more money later. They put $24m into their "corporate reserve fund" that's now at $579m. They put $5m into their charity fund which now has an endowment of $61m.... lots of ways to make money vanish through "expenses".

[Millhouse]

(Yesterday, 10:32 AM)NotBigzo Wrote: Makes half a billion in a year.

Begs taxpayers to subsidize what's probably the biggest cost to their operation.

Pretend to have liquidity problems. 

When the job throws you lemons, take a ski trip.

Where do I sign? 

To be fair per Google AI, last year they ended up having $73 million in operating income after all income and expenses, third lowest in the league. Cowboys are at the top at around $564 million. 

I do agree with your sentiment in regards to taxpayers subsidizing NFL stadiums going forward with how much the NFL makes. On the other hand, it's unfortunately probably one the few legal ways to try to keep an NFL team from moving to another city.

[NotBigzo]

(Yesterday, 12:13 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/07/23/ninth-home-game-boosts-packers-revenue-into-record-territory-green-bay/85193770007/

$719.1m in revenue for 2024
They claimed $635.4m in expenses.

Keep in mind the Packers invest a lot in local real estate. So when they go "our expenses were..." it can include spending tens of millions on real estate. Also unlike cap accounting, REAL accounting the signing bonus will be in that year. So for instance while Joe Burrow only had a $19.5m cap hit in 2023 when he signed his extension, the Bengals expenses showed that he got $45.5m in cash in 2023.

Ultimately any team can make themselves look like they're losing money if they want to. We saw it for ages with college football programs. Alamaba would build a $45m training complex or whatever so that the same year they could claim they only had $450k in profits or something so OBVIOUSLY they couldn't possibly pay their (at the time) "student athletes" a fair share of what they produced.

Perfect example... the Packers claimed "depreciation of construction" as an "expense". They also have expenses of investing in restaurants and bars that they own around the stadium, which is just them spending some money now to make more money later. They put $24m into their "corporate reserve fund" that's now at $579m. They put $5m into their charity fund which now has an endowment of $61m.... lots of ways to make money vanish through "expenses".

This is especially true if you're only going by tax returns. Always best to look at income statements that abide by GAAP's reporting standards, but you can even cheese your numbers a bit there too.

[George Cantstandya]

(Yesterday, 12:13 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/07/23/ninth-home-game-boosts-packers-revenue-into-record-territory-green-bay/85193770007/

$719.1m in revenue for 2024
They claimed $635.4m in expenses.

Keep in mind the Packers invest a lot in local real estate. So when they go "our expenses were..." it can include spending tens of millions on real estate. Also unlike cap accounting, REAL accounting the signing bonus will be in that year. So for instance while Joe Burrow only had a $19.5m cap hit in 2023 when he signed his extension, the Bengals expenses showed that he got $45.5m in cash in 2023.

Ultimately any team can make themselves look like they're losing money if they want to. We saw it for ages with college football programs. Alamaba would build a $45m training complex or whatever so that the same year they could claim they only had $450k in profits or something so OBVIOUSLY they couldn't possibly pay their (at the time) "student athletes" a fair share of what they produced.

Perfect example... the Packers claimed "depreciation of construction" as an "expense". They also have expenses of investing in restaurants and bars that they own around the stadium, which is just them spending some money now to make more money later. They put $24m into their "corporate reserve fund" that's now at $579m. They put $5m into their charity fund which now has an endowment of $61m.... lots of ways to make money vanish through "expenses".

Thanks for the info.  Like I said I don't know much about all the financial stuff.  But again I think the only way we can guesstimate what the Bengals net is through what the Packers report.   How all those numbers are manipulated I can't really comment on.  I didn't claim the Bengals were losing money or Mike Brown was going to have to get a job as a greeter at Walmart.  I simply threw out a rough guess based on what an article reported about the Packers. 

On the other hand I get the impression that a lot of people think Mike Brown is loading 100's of millions of dollars into the trunk of his car after each season and I don't believe that to be true either.  :)

[J24]

(Yesterday, 12:48 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Thanks for the info.  Like I said I don't know much about all the financial stuff.  But again I think the only way we can guesstimate what the Bengals net is through what the Packers report.   How all those numbers are manipulated I can't really comment on.  I didn't claim the Bengals were losing money or Mike Brown was going to have to get a job as a greeter at Walmart.  I simply threw out a rough guess based on what an article reported about the Packers. 

On the other hand I get the impression that a lot of people think Mike Brown is loading 100's of millions of dollars into the trunk of his car after each season and I don't believe that to be true either.  :)

Great now I have an image of Mike Brown(in his Golf Cart) as a Walmart greeter!

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(Yesterday, 11:50 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: A couple of problems with this statement, NFL owners were known to have lost money or low profits until Modell negotiated a great TV deal. The TV deals changed the landscape of every NFL franchise. Th efirst huge deal was 1990.

Second, the Bengals had multiple owners until around 2001 when MB bought them out. It is expensive to buy out partners and likely required 10 to 20 year loans they had to pay back. I am not crying on behalf of the Browns family, but they are unique in the way they don't own other businesses that can support their bottom line. I have n doubt they are in great shape now, but I don't think they were killing it until they got the partners paid off, just don't know when that was but guessing aroun 2015 at the earliest.

https://www.benton.org/headlines/art-modell-helped-pioneer-big-tv-deals-nfl

CBS made the first big NFL deal, buying the rights for just over $14 million a season. As the sport grew in popularity, so did the license fees, and it wasn't long before the league started selling to multiple networks, which drove the cost higher. The last deal Modell oversaw was the 1990 package for a then-record $3.6 billion.

Straight cash, homey. $200 million. In 2001 dollars. $355 million today adjusted for inflation.

Quote:The Brown family is paying cash for the stake

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2011/12/21/brown-family-buys-remaing-stake-in-cincinnati-bengals-for-200-million/

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(07-23-2025, 07:57 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45807728/packers-say-received-record-4326m-revenue-sharing

This is crazy. Cash should not be an issue to put in escrow (savings accounts) for any guaranteed deals.

I know a lot goes to the cap, salaries and benefits, but for 32 teams NFL made 32 billion last year to share.

Yep. Mikey being cash poor is an effing joke. 

BTW, the national revenue ($432 mil) accounts for around 60% of their total revenue, according to the article.  432/x = 6/10 means x is $720 million in revenue. Per year. 

Our adjusted cap is $290. 720-290 is $430 mil. 

Look, I know we are doing improvements to the stafium. Amd we have operating expenses. And Mikey has to pay taxes (I think). And outgoing cash exceeds the cap numbers. 

But $430 million is a TON of cushion. A TON. 

The idea that he cannot afford to restructure Burrow (+$19 mil to cap), structured Tee & Chase to maximize space (+$11 mil to cap), sign Trey with guarantees beyond Y1 with a raise(but max cap space with a longer term), and brought in a better quality FA class with the cap savings  (OF, DT, S) is just ludicrous. Absurd. 

He's just a greedy old dude who cares more about hosrding wealth than winning..