SHRacerX Mock/SIM

[*SHRacerX*]

Before you kill me for not taking that awesome DE in Round 1 or that WR we all love in Round 2, remember this was a simulation and not a fantasy where every player I like just happens to be there in the round I predicted.

I keep running in to the same issue:  The Bengals don't pick early enough to get an impact DE in Round 1, and lose out on the the Top 50 WRs in Round 2.  They don't want to reach in Round 1 for the WR, so the talent of  the corner out of Houston had to come before the WR.  

There are a couple things that this situation keeps making me realize:  The Bengals may not just be able to let this draft fall to them.  With a clear abundance of compensatory selections coming next year, they may be able to offer their actual 3rd rounder for 2017 in a package of by itself, in order to move up this year.  

One situation I really liked was where (on a different sim), I was able to trade BACK in Round 1 with Carolina or Denver and pick up an additional later round selection.  Then, I took the WR I covet (Sterling Shehpard) in Round 1, and had options to move back up in Round 2 and select a DE who may fall (Noah Spence) or took the DE in Round 1 (Ogbah) and traded back up to early in the 2nd with the newly acquired pick for Shephard.  

Regardless of my big picture idea, here is what I got on the sim: (And I'm not an OSU homer, it just worked out that way....and I also know that there is another Michael Thomas, but this one is a steal this late)

VIEW EACH TEAM'S DRAFT

24: R1P24  
CB WILLIAM JACKSON III
HOUSTON
- Has the great ball-tracking abilities (28 passes defenses last season alone).  A bit raw, but I like his play-making ability much better than that of Dre K when he came out of college.  


55: R2P24  
WR BRAXTON MILLER
OHIO STATE
- I had other WRs ranked higher, but Miller provides the immediate help at slot receiver with the speed to help stretch the field if he moves outside.  He needs to improve his deep ball tracking ability, but I love his long term potential.  He also has the team-first mindset and maturity to make it in the NFL.

87: R3P24  
S VONN BELL
OHIO STATE
- A steal here.  A very complete safety coming out of OSU.  Has the toughness needed to keep this secondary strong.  

122: R4P24  
DT D.J. READER
CLEMSON
- Boom or bust pick that many might not like, but this is our immovable object to replace Peko down the road.  Could rotate in this season.  I think with the right environment, Reader could be an early round value and fits our defense perfectly.  

161: R5P22  
DE BRONSON KAUFUSI
BYU
- Not the biggest fan of his, but he was BPA in this round and fits at RDE with the potential to slide inside on passing downs.  Relentless motor might push Hunt and Clarke in what is likely already their last shot.  

199: R6P24  
WR MICHAEL THOMAS
SOUTHERN MISS
- A burner to develop out of Southern Miss.  Has outstanding YPC and ability to stretch the field.  If Miller stays in the slot, Thomas may be able to take Marvin's "X" receiver after being developed behind Lafell.

245: R7P24  
RB DEVON JOHNSON
MARSHALL
- Not my favorite back by any means, but I like the idea of a big, bruising back to finish games, move the chains, and catch the occasional dump pass.  A brute when healthy, and an outstanding blocker.  

[Camdaddy08]

(04-10-2016, 10:00 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Before you kill me for not taking that awesome DE in Round 1 or that WR we all love in Round 2, remember this was a simulation and not a fantasy where every player I like just happens to be there in the round I predicted.

I keep running in to the same issue:  The Bengals don't pick early enough to get an impact DE in Round 1, and lose out on the the Top 50 WRs in Round 2.  They don't want to reach in Round 1 for the WR, so the talent of  the corner out of Houston had to come before the WR.  

There are a couple things that this situation keeps making me realize:  The Bengals may not just be able to let this draft fall to them.  With a clear abundance of compensatory selections coming next year, they may be able to offer their actual 3rd rounder for 2017 in a package of by itself, in order to move up this year.  

One situation I really liked was where (on a different sim), I was able to trade BACK in Round 1 with Carolina or Denver and pick up an additional later round selection.  Then, I took the WR I covet (Sterling Shehpard) in Round 1, and had options to move back up in Round 2 and select a DE who may fall (Noah Spence) or took the DE in Round 1 (Ogbah) and traded back up to early in the 2nd with the newly acquired pick for Shephard.  

Regardless of my big picture idea, here is what I got on the sim: (And I'm not an OSU homer, it just worked out that way....and I also know that there is another Michael Thomas, but this one is a steal this late)

VIEW EACH TEAM'S DRAFT

24: R1P24  
CB WILLIAM JACKSON III
HOUSTON
- Has the great ball-tracking abilities (28 passes defenses last season alone).  A bit raw, but I like his play-making ability much better than that of Dre K when he came out of college.  


55: R2P24  
WR BRAXTON MILLER
OHIO STATE
- I had other WRs ranked higher, but Miller provides the immediate help at slot receiver with the speed to help stretch the field if he moves outside.  He needs to improve his deep ball tracking ability, but I love his long term potential.  He also has the team-first mindset and maturity to make it in the NFL.

87: R3P24  
S VONN BELL
OHIO STATE
- A steal here.  A very complete safety coming out of OSU.  Has the toughness needed to keep this secondary strong.  

122: R4P24  
DT D.J. READER
CLEMSON
- Boom or bust pick that many might not like, but this is our immovable object to replace Peko down the road.  Could rotate in this season.  I think with the right environment, Reader could be an early round value and fits our defense perfectly.  

161: R5P22  
DE BRONSON KAUFUSI
BYU
- Not the biggest fan of his, but he was BPA in this round and fits at RDE with the potential to slide inside on passing downs.  Relentless motor might push Hunt and Clarke in what is likely already their last shot.  

199: R6P24  
WR MICHAEL THOMAS
SOUTHERN MISS
- A burner to develop out of Southern Miss.  Has outstanding YPC and ability to stretch the field.  If Miller stays in the slot, Thomas may be able to take Marvin's "X" receiver after being developed behind Lafell.

245: R7P24  
RB DEVON JOHNSON
MARSHALL
- Not my favorite back by any means, but I like the idea of a big, bruising back to finish games, move the chains, and catch the occasional dump pass.  A brute when healthy, and an outstanding blocker.  

Very good overall. Obviously I love your first pick. Miller is intriguing. He is very athletic, just really raw when it comes to routes. I wouldn't mind the pick just a little weary that when he reaches the NFL everyone is athletic, you actually have to know the position you play as well. I like Henry over Reader but that is just taste. Kaufusi in the 5th would be hard to pass up. For some reason I don't think we double up on receiver this year. We have some young talent they are going to give a chance to. Wright, Alford, and Kumerow thhey all like. Nice draft though.

[*SHRacerX*]

Worked a little differently this time, using a consensus big board:

24: R1P24
CB VERNON HARGREAVES III
FLORIDA
55: R2P24
WR BRAXTON MILLER
OHIO STATE
87: R3P24
DT AUSTIN JOHNSON
PENN STATE
122: R4P24
DE BRONSON KAUFUSI
BYU
161: R5P22
CB CYRUS JONES
ALABAMA
199: R6P24
ILB TYLER MATAKEVICH
TEMPLE
245: R7P24
WR KOLBY LISTENBEE
TCU

[Cornelius]

Amazing to get Vernon in 1st. Although unlikely. If Sterling or TCU kid is there in 2nd, I'd rather do that then Braxton.

[Bengalfan11164]

i don't understand the Braxton Miller obsession.

Poor route runner.
Only 1 year as a WR.

why sign a project in the 2nd?
Why sign a slot wr in the 2nd?

Especially since the Bengals already have Mario Alford who has more experience and more speed as a 2nd year player.

[*SHRacerX*]

(04-11-2016, 11:23 PM)Cornelius Wrote: Amazing to get Vernon in 1st.  Although unlikely.  If Sterling or TCU kid is there in 2nd, I'd rather do that then Braxton.

With you, but there is no way either is there in Rd 2. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-12-2016, 09:11 AM)Bengalfan11164 Wrote: i don't understand the Braxton Miller obsession.

Poor route runner.
Only 1 year as a WR.

why sign a project in the 2nd?
Why sign a slot wr in the 2nd?

Especially since the Bengals already have Mario Alford who has more experience and more speed as a 2nd year player.

Same, i understand why people like Michael Thomas in the 2nd or even the 1st but not Miller.

This simulation seems very unlikely.

[Bengalfan11164]

(04-12-2016, 03:49 PM)ONate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Same, i understand why people like Michael Thomas in the 2nd or even the 1st but not Miller.

This simulation seems very unlikely.

If Hargraves would be a stud, I would like the selection if the coveted DTs and WRs are off the board.

2 CBs seems a bit much,especially if we are drafting a 1st rounder and I have heard good things about Cyrus Jones.

Pacman/Hargreaves
Dennard/Shaw
DreKirk/Lewis-Harris

Cyrus Jones would be an upgrade to Lewis-Harris, but I would prefer an OLB or oline. 

[*SHRacerX*]

(04-12-2016, 09:11 AM)Bengalfan11164 Wrote: i don't understand the Braxton Miller obsession.

Poor route runner.
Only 1 year as a WR.

why sign a project in the 2nd?
Why sign a slot wr in the 2nd?

Especially since the Bengals already have Mario Alford who has more experience and more speed as a 2nd year player.

I will try to explain what you call an "obsession" with Braxton Miller, although I would hardly call interest in the second round and obsession.  

Braxton Miller is a phenomenal athlete.  Phenomenal.  I saw him play HS ball as a TRUE FRESHMAN and he put up something like 40 points against a Centerville team that gave up an average of 7 points a game.  He is just so elusive in open space.  He may be raw as an athlete, but I think of guys like Clay Matthews that showed up at USC at 165lbs.  And then he goes on to be a huge force in the NFL.  JJ Watt was a walk on.  Now he is the most dominant player in the NFL on defense.  Those guys were "raw".  They weren't 5 star recruits (and Miller would not have been as a WR).  But they have that skill set that set them apart.  They are unique.  I don't mean just the 40 speed, or the vertical jump.  Its what they can do on a field with pads on.  

Miller is also the kind of "student of the game", high-character guy that I want on my team.  From the people I have spoken to that attended the Senior Bowl, they said that he was flat-out amazing doing things that he had just learned.  

It isn't where he is right now.  It is where he could end up.  I know people will throw Margus Hunt and others at me and say things like "potential is what gets coaches fired", but I think a talent like Miller at the very least is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over a player like Sanu.   If he continues to develop, he is the next Antonio Brown.  

Imagine THAT across the field from AJ Green. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-12-2016, 10:21 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: I will try to explain what you call an "obsession" with Braxton Miller, although I would hardly call interest in the second round and obsession.  

Braxton Miller is a phenomenal athlete.  Phenomenal.  I saw him play HS ball as a TRUE FRESHMAN and he put up something like 40 points against a Centerville team that gave up an average of 7 points a game.  He is just so elusive in open space.  He may be raw as an athlete, but I think of guys like Clay Matthews that showed up at USC at 165lbs.  And then he goes on to be a huge force in the NFL.  JJ Watt was a walk on.  Now he is the most dominant player in the NFL on defense.  Those guys were "raw".  They weren't 5 star recruits (and Miller would not have been as a WR).  But they have that skill set that set them apart.  They are unique.  I don't mean just the 40 speed, or the vertical jump.  Its what they can do on a field with pads on.  

Miller is also the kind of "student of the game", high-character guy that I want on my team.  From the people I have spoken to that attended the Senior Bowl, they said that he was flat-out amazing doing things that he had just learned.  

It isn't where he is right now.  It is where he could end up.  I know people will throw Margus Hunt and others at me and say things like "potential is what gets coaches fired", but I think a talent like Miller at the very least is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over a player like Sanu.   If he continues to develop, he is the next Antonio Brown.  

Imagine THAT across the field from AJ Green. 

Cool, nice post. Made me understand the obsession a bit better, reps.