05-13-2015, 02:43 PM
Let's not forget that Green has Dalton throwing it to him instead of Roethlisberger.
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05-13-2015, 02:43 PM
Let's not forget that Green has Dalton throwing it to him instead of Roethlisberger.
05-13-2015, 02:53 PM
(05-13-2015, 02:43 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Let's not forget that Green has Dalton throwing it to him instead of Roethlisberger. AJ is the better WR. Brown is terrific, and a dynamic returner as well. Much respect to the player he has turned out to be, and I'd love to have him on our team, but AJ is the 2nd best WR in the league. Put him on a team with the Ben, Rodgers, Brady, Manning etc and there isn't even a debate between him and Brown. It's not AJ's fault he plays with a sub-par QB...And to the Andy defenders I'm not trashing him, just calling it how it is. I still hold out hope he gets us where we want to go
05-13-2015, 03:26 PM
(05-12-2015, 02:33 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Defense can have its own thread, but would do you have if you're piecing together an AFCN offense? QB: Ben Roethlisberger RB1: La'Veon Bell RB2: Jeremy Hill WR1: AJ Green WR2: Antonio Brown WR3: Steve Smith TE1: Heath Miller TE2: Dennis Pitta LT: Joe Thomas LG: Andrew Whitworth C: Alex Mack RG: Maurkice Pouncey RT: Andre Smith Actually not a lot of TE's to pick from. Miller's not great but has played decent for his entire career so he's very consistent. Ben is the most proven consistent QB in the division. A lot of decent RB's and WR's to pick from. Shifted some linemen around to get what I think is the best 5 linemen.
05-13-2015, 03:27 PM
(05-13-2015, 02:25 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: If you stated that both are better than both Smiths, then you are also suggesting the pair is better than the Smiths as a pair. I said that Torrey Smith would be the 4th WR on the bengals. I never addressed them as a pair because we had Green. Your now throwing in Steve Smith but honestly I would take both over him. He is too old. Numbers are better because the Ravens have no one else to throw the ball. Sanu or Jones would have started for the Ravena quite easily. And the whole point of that discussion was the Ravens inability to recognize and draft WR talent. Which seems to be Ozzie's kryptonite.
05-13-2015, 03:52 PM
How do we stack up against the rest of the AFC all-division teams?
AFC East QB: Tom Brady RB1: Le'Sean McCoy RB2: Lamar Miller WR1: Brandon Marshall WR2: Sammy Watkins WR3: Eric Decker TE1: Rob Gronkowski TE2: Charles Clay LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson LG: Cordy Glenn C: Nick Mangold RG: Mike Pouncey RT: Nate Solder AFC South QB: Andrew Luck RB1: Arian Foster RB2: Frank Gore WR1: T.Y. Hilton WR2: DeAndre Hopkins WR3: Andre Johnson TE1: Julius Thomas TE2: Delanie Walker LT: Duane Brown LG: Andy Levitre C: Ben Jones RG: Chance Warmack RT: Gosder Cherilus AFC West QB: Peyton Manning RB1: Jamaal Charles RB2: Knile Davis WR1: Demaryius Thomas WR2: Keenan Allen WR3: Jeremy Maclin TE1: Antonio Gates TE2: Travis Kelce LT: Ryan Clady LG: Gabe Jackson C: Rodney Hudson RG: Louis Vasquez RT: Orlando Franklin
05-13-2015, 03:54 PM
(05-13-2015, 03:27 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Sanu or Jones would have started for the Ravena quite easily. Over Jacoby as a 3rd and 4th? Sanu would but Jones might not beat out Marlon Brown.
05-13-2015, 04:14 PM
(05-13-2015, 03:27 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I said that Torrey Smith would be the 4th WR on the bengals. I never addressed them as a pair because we had Green. Your now throwing in Steve Smith but honestly I would take both over him. He is too old. Numbers are better because the Ravens have no one else to throw the ball. I mean Torrey Smith's alright he would probably fall anywhere between 2 and 4 here, but it would most definitely be a competition.
05-13-2015, 04:16 PM
(05-13-2015, 03:54 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Over Jacoby as a 3rd and 4th? Sanu would but Jones might not beat out Marlon Brown. Now your obviously not being serious. Why waste time posting if your not going to use logic and common knowledge. Cincy and Pitt have by far the best WR core in this division and it isn't even close. The only thing keeping the Ravens not worst is the Browns just being the browns and showing their inability to draft WR as well. Both cincy and Pitts top 3 WR would start for both the Browns and Ravens. Offensive skill (WR/RB/te) position talent is overwhelmingly in their favor in the division.
05-13-2015, 04:17 PM
05-13-2015, 04:20 PM
05-13-2015, 04:20 PM
(05-13-2015, 04:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Now your obviously not being serious. lol, we already had this conversation. I had stats and you had opinions. You can think that Sanu and Jones are better than either Smiths, but that won't ever make it true.
05-13-2015, 04:23 PM
(05-13-2015, 04:17 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I think you may have that mixed up. Ok, then Jones is 3rd and Sanu can take Brown's job. Both behind the Smiths (assuming this was last year). Either way Perriman is better than both of them, so they're still #3 and #4 on the Ravens.
05-13-2015, 04:26 PM
(05-13-2015, 04:20 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: lol, we already had this conversation. I had stats and you had opinions. You can think that Sanu and Jones are better than either Smiths, but that won't ever make it true. Stats can't be used.... Your talking about 2/3 WR vs your top targets. Green obviously gets the most targets. Just as Brown does in Pitt. Doesn't mean that the skill level for 2/3 on both teams isn't better than Torrey Smith. When a 37 year old WR can come in and make you the number 2 wr ..... You can't start for Cincy.
05-13-2015, 04:39 PM
(05-13-2015, 04:26 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Stats can't be used.... Your talking about 2/3 WR vs your top targets. LOL, so your argument is "Even though their overall and relative stats are worse as #2 and #3s, they're better than the guys whose stats are superior in every measurable way despite these other players having #1 and #2 defenders covering them because I think so". HAHA Also, Smith was 35 last season and is a future HOFer.
05-13-2015, 04:41 PM
Andy Dalton would have been the 3rd QB behind Tyrod Taylor last season if he were on the Ravens.
You can't bring up stats, though, because Tyrod is a back up.
05-13-2015, 04:52 PM
(05-13-2015, 04:39 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Also, Smith was 35 last season and is a future HOFer. Now this is very debatable.
05-13-2015, 05:03 PM
(05-13-2015, 04:52 PM)MrRager Wrote: Now this is very debatable. And the reality is its not a debate of merit but rather politics. His numbers match HOFers from a generation ago, but with this generations, is 12k yards, 60+TDs enough?
05-13-2015, 05:18 PM
Quarterback: Ben Roethlisberger
Running Back: Le'Veon Bell and Jeremy Hill (CIN)) Tight End: Heath Miller (PIT) and ????? Wide Receivers: A.J. Green (CIN) Antonio Brown (PIT) and Steve Smith (BAL) Tackles: Andrew Whitworth (CIN) and Ricky Wagner (BAL) Guards: Joel Bitonio (CLV) and Marshal Yanda (BAL) Center: Maurkice Pouncey (PIT)
05-13-2015, 05:49 PM
(05-13-2015, 10:34 AM)djs7685 Wrote: This isn't the smack board, no need to over-exaggerate or flat out lie. 1st round draft picks are supposed to get playing time right away. 6th round draft picks have overachieved if they aren't sent to the practice squad after camp. Not to mention Brown simply had no opportunities as the 4th receiver - the veterans and high round picks got the bulk of the opportunities by default. Green was the the team's #1 the second the team in front of the Bengals in the draft announced their pick. And at this point, Brown is just a flat out better receiver. He's a prototypical small, quick slot receiver who has managed to line up out wide and dominate every team's #1 corner the way a 6'4' 210 pound receiver is expected. And he's done it every single game (a minimum of 5 catches, 50 yards; averaged 7.5 and 100 respectively) for over 2 full seasons, a game or 2 shy of doubling the previous NFL record. He is literally unstoppable at this point. They haven't even been able to slow him down by playing 'bend but don't break.' He still gets his big plays and rakes in the TDs.
05-13-2015, 06:52 PM
(05-13-2015, 05:03 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: And the reality is its not a debate of merit but rather politics. His numbers match HOFers from a generation ago, but with this generations, is 12k yards, 60+TDs enough?I highly doubt it. I know he has a couple years left, but he is 14th in yards, 33rd in touchdowns, and 18th in receptions. The big issue is he will be dealing with many other similar players like Calvin, Wayne, Johnson and Fitzgerald. He will probably also be battling with older guys that take awhile to get in like Holt, Bruce, and Ward. He obviously doesn't compare to some guys that played when he did like Harrison, Moss, and Owens. He is also kind of a prick so I have no idea if he has rubbed some voters the wrong way. It's a tough battle for modern WRs. |
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