Do Any Bengals Follow Suit

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(08-31-2016, 06:12 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: has anything jeff fisher done worked out?

Not since The Music City Miracle.

[ShowMeUrTDs]

(08-31-2016, 07:24 PM)Derrick Wrote: See my reply to John Shaft. *^%&%$#$&The same goes for you!!!

lol!!!!!!!!!

I am a veteran, my cousin is a Command Sergeant Major Airborne Ranger presently serving, both my grandfather's were war veterans!!! I say this because I assume you are a Marine.

*NEWSFLASH* 

The very Constitution you swore to defend with your life, is being attacked on a daily basis in our justice system!!! When law enforcement, States, the Judiciary, and our legislative branch violate its principles it is pissing on the faces, and graves, of every single man and woman that has ever dawned the uniform!!!!!!!!!

2.6 Million incarcerated (almost 800 per 100,000 people #1 in the world next closest country is Communist Russia at 450 per 100,000 people)
Do you think Americans are just the most criminal people in the world????
45% African American prison population even though they only make up 13% of the nation's population?
10 Million under the umbrella of the justice system 
countless unjustified killings of unarmed individuals 
$60 Billion annual revenue profits from the prison system

Yet we are the voice of democracy and freedom, but we take away the freedom of more citizens of our own nation than does any other government in the world!!

How do you think The United States came into existence? From fighting against the very same shit England was doing to its commoners just a few hundred years ago. You know? Those people you call founding fathers and heroes!! Well, they were referred to as traitors disrespecting the Crown back then, but without their fight we would not have our nation today!!!!

You think it is disrespect to the flag, but the flag is nothing but a piece of cloth without the principles upon which it was founded!! 

If you truly were a Marine, or other veteran, and were willing to give your life as you swore on the Constitution, then it should piss you off to the bottom of your soul everytime a single person's Constitutional rights are violated. Every time an innocent person is locked up for a significant portion of their life. Every time some one is shot and killed, unarmed, and without justification then not prosecuted under the privilege of immunity!!!

You are why this nation has become, in a minuscule amount of time since its founding, what it has become today!!!!! Look in the mirror, it doesn't have shit to do with the flag!!!!

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(08-31-2016, 07:51 PM)Jpoore Wrote: While i do not agree with his decision he does have former military personell coming out in support of him

Wrong he doesn't....


#VeteransForKaepernick is a Twitter fabricated movement as a means to try and quell the uproar against Kaepernick.

[OrlandoBengal]

(09-01-2016, 03:17 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: Wrong he doesn't....


#VeteransForKaepernick is a Twitter fabricated movement as a means to try and quell the uproar against Kaepernick.

I personally know multiple veterans who are in support of him. Regardless, this is not about the military.

[Derrick]

(08-30-2016, 01:56 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: I haven't seen anything in any rooms here, about Kap's national anthem stunt.

Yes, he's getting negative criticism, but also, amazing to me, a lot of support as well.  

1.  Will any Bengals be foolish enough to follow suit?

Kaepernick From Retired U. S. Army Lt. Col West  

TO KAEPERNICK FROM RETIRED U.S. ARMY LT. COL.  ALLEN WEST.......... REMARKABLE SPEECH
 
Message from a non-oppressed black man to Colin Kaepernick…
 
If there’s one thing I live for, it’s football season, especially college. Saturday night I was enjoying a fantastic game between Charleston Southern University and North Dakota State University. The game went into overtime and ended with the Bison of NDSU winning 24-17. However, as I watched this thrilling game, it was an item on the ESPN news ticker that disturbed me — to which I see a need to respond to this “teachable moment.”
 
As reported yesterday, San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick refused to stand for the National Anthem in Friday’s pre-season game against Green Bay because he was protesting “black oppression” in the United States. The Niners went on to lose.
 
The NFL issued a statement that said players are encouraged but not required to stand for the national anthem. Hmm, this is the same NFL that refused to allow the Dallas Cowboys to wear a helmet decal in honor of the fallen Dallas Police officers gunned down on Thursday July 7th.
 
This is the same NFL that said nothing when players from the St. Louis Cardinals displayed the false narrative symbol of “hands up, dont shoot” — which we know didn’t happen. I find it rather interesting that the NFL has no issue disrespecting law enforcement officers but only “encourages” players to respect the symbol of our nation, the American flag, and our anthem, the Star Spangled Banner.
 
However, I would recommend a simple scripture from the wise King Solomon for Mr. Kaepernick, Proverbs 17:28 (NIV): “Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues.”
 
Or, as the old folks down South would say, “best for a stupid person to keep their mouth shut and not open it and let everyone know they are.”
 
Mr. Kaepernick, a bi-racial young man adopted and raised by white parents, claims America is oppressing blacks at a time when we have a black, bi racial president who was twice elected. We’ve had two black attorneys general and currently have a black secretary of homeland security, along with a black national security advisor. Here in Dallas our police chief, whom I know, is an outstanding black leader. The officer in Milwaukee who shot the armed assailant after issuing an order to drop his weapon was black. Is Mr. Kaepernick following suit and cherry-picking what he terms “oppression?” First of all, let me clarify to you sir, you are a multi-millionaire “one-percenter” just because you can throw a ball and kiss your biceps. Men like Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, Oscar Robertson, Ernie Davis, and Bernard King and Condredge Halloway of my alma mater were athletes who knew of oppression. You sir may certainly have the right to sit upon your “fourth point of contact” when the National Anthem is played but never forget, you live in a nation that has provided you the privilege to have that right.
 
My story is one I wish to share. My dad was a corporal in the U.S. Army and served during World War II. He was born in 1920 and knew oppression. Yet, when he sat me down on the steps of our home, 651 Kennesaw Ave NE in Atlanta, he shared with me that there was no greater honor or privilege, than to wear the uniform of these United States. Perhaps that ‘s why his first and middle sons, along with his grandson, are all U.S. combat veterans, just like Dad. Herman West Sr. was not a victim, and he raised men who would never allow anyone to suppress or oppress them. Perhaps you should stop trying to make victims and admonish people, black people, to be victors — try it, and you may find that more satisfying than your insidious action and word vomiting.
 
If you want to know about oppression of blacks in America, past and present, how about you ask Rep. Nancy Pelosi of the San Fran Bay Area about the policies that decimated the black family? Maybe you can cross the Bay over to Oakland and ask Rep. Barbara Lee about the 13 to15 million black babies killed since 1973, and ask her who is Margaret Sanger?
 
Or perhaps you can ask the two California senators, Boxer and Feinstein, about who doesn’t support better education opportunities for black children in the inner cities — school choice, vouchers, charter schools, home schooling.
 
Perhaps you didn’t know Barack Obama was the one who cancelled the DC school voucher program for deserving young black children — talk about oppression. Is that something you’re willing to do, or is it just too difficult?
 
You should look at who’s been controlling the communities and cities where blacks live. This isn’t not about what America has done; it’s about what a certain group, a political party has done. And your somewhat backhanded comment towards our law enforcement officers — well, wonder how many times San Francisco PD has protected you?
 
Here is the deal young man. My recommendation is that you apologize. Be a stand up fella and admit you made a very stupid comment. Humbly state that you do realize how very special this country is and the opportunities it has afforded you — and many others. You should take that stand and apologize to all of those who are currently serving in our Armed Forces and those veterans who’ve been willing to make that last full measure of devotion. You see, when the National Anthem is played, it has a very special meaning to us — maybe you should take a hiatus and go over to Helmand Province in Afghanistan and spend a week and understand why. Go over and throw a football with the men and women who enable you to earn those millions of dollars.
 
The American flag has a very touching meaning for those of us for whom it will drape our coffin — as it was for my Dad…and it will be for me. That song defines who we are as a proud and exceptional people. This is a land where so many dream of coming to and earning the title of American. Your actions were shameful, disgusting, despicable and disrespectful.
 
You do have a right and a freedom of expression. But know, there are consequences to your ignorant action, which is what it was.
 
When the National Anthem is played, I salute because I am a black man born and raised in the inner city afforded the opportunity for greatness in my own right. May you seek God’s forgiveness and find humility, because we, the people are not going to forget what you did and said.
 
THIS MIGHT EXPLAIN SOME OF HIS ACTIONS.....
 
The media won't tell us this. Turns out Kaepernick is engaged to a Muslim woman who is a BLM activist. In the off season he converted to Islam. She appears to be radicalizing him by looking at his Instagram and other accounts. He is a VERY angry man and should be watched. His actions now are making sense!! 
 
ISLAM is EVIL and spreading like wildfire!!! OUR flag means everything to American's FREEDOM. 
 
Don't like it... LEAVE!!!
 2.  Will Brown/Lewis tolerate it?

[Johnny Cupcakes]

Hopefully.

1) Because he's right.
2) The butthurt over it is mega amusing.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

Don't think it'd happen with the Bengals simply because Whit/Dalton/Peko wouldn't allow it to happen. Not the "you're not allowed to use your 1st Amendment" way of not allowing it (because it is Kap's 1st Amendment to do that, which is why it's also my 1st Amendment to say he's a dumbass for doing it), but more in the "don't be a distraction for the team, we have high goals this year and don't need that" way of not allowing it.

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(08-31-2016, 05:14 PM)ShowMeUrTDs Wrote: As an attorney, you should know infringement on First Amendment Constitutional rights is only forbidden against government actors, legislation, or rulings and not private entities.

If you were an attorney (or could even read) you woud see that I never mentioned the First Amendment.

(08-31-2016, 05:14 PM)ShowMeUrTDs Wrote: Second, the players signed a contract in the form of a collective bargaining agreement in which they agreed to let the NFL and their respective teams punish them for "conduct detrimental" which is a subjective standard. So, if they believe Kaepernick violated this agreed upon rule, then yes, they have the absolute power to exercise their contractual right. 

Because you have limited understanding of the law, both contracts and Constitutional law!

And you do not understand that the contractual "detrimental conduct" language is not unlimited.

That is why you refused to answer my question about a player that refused to take part in a pre-game prayer.  Do you think a team or the league could punish a player for that?