Burfict Concussion

[GreenCornBengal]

Just read on NFL.com that Burfict is out (knee/concussion)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000761960/article/injuries-ryan-mathews-back-out-for-rest-of-season



It's obvious when Burfict got the concussion last week so the question is, why did we bring him back out? Aren't there rules against putting players in danger liker that?

I guess the only reason we may not get in trouble is because it's Burfict and everyone wants to see him die anyways.

But, Isn't it a little alarming that Burfict went back on the field in the 2nd half when he was clearly concussed?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-23-2016, 04:04 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Just read on NFL.com that Burfict is out (knee/concussion)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000761960/article/injuries-ryan-mathews-back-out-for-rest-of-season



It's obvious when Burfict got the concussion last week so the question is, why did we bring him back out? Aren't there rules against putting players in danger liker that?

I guess the only reason we may not get in trouble is because it's Burfict and everyone wants to see him die anyways.

But, Isn't it a little alarming that Burfict went back on the field in the 2nd half when he was clearly concussed?

Burfict's return is alarming, if you believe the NFL owners actually give a shit about concussions. After all, the owners agreed to a $1 billion dollar out of court settlement related to concussions provided they didn't have to admit what they knew about concussions and when they knew it. The owner's concern ends with their financial liability. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(12-23-2016, 04:04 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Just read on NFL.com that Burfict is out (knee/concussion)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000761960/article/injuries-ryan-mathews-back-out-for-rest-of-season



It's obvious when Burfict got the concussion last week so the question is, why did we bring him back out? Aren't there rules against putting players in danger liker that?

I guess the only reason we may not get in trouble is because it's Burfict and everyone wants to see him die anyways.

But, Isn't it a little alarming that Burfict went back on the field in the 2nd half when he was clearly concussed?

An independent neurologist ran him through the procedure to check for a concussion (he went to the locker room) and he passed. That is why they ran him back out.

Maybe he got it later in the game. (Unlikely, but still.) If the independent guy says one of your two best defensive players is cleared to return to the game, you use him. Would you preferred to read that the neurologist cleared him and the Bengals lose a game because Marvin didn't want to put him back in if it happens in the future?

[Bengal Dude]

(12-23-2016, 05:24 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: An independent neurologist ran him through the procedure to check for a concussion (he went to the locker room) and he passed. That is why they ran him back out.

Maybe he got it later in the game. (Unlikely, but still.) If the independent guy says one of your two best defensive players is cleared to return to the game, you use him. Would you preferred to read that the neurologist cleared him and the Bengals lose a game because Marvin didn't want to put him back in if it happens in the future?

According to the beat writers, the independent doctor called a 2nd one because he was amazed that Burfict passed the test. He essentially got a 2nd opinion in the locker room and was cleared.

[Goalpost]

(12-23-2016, 05:24 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: An independent neurologist ran him through the procedure to check for a concussion (he went to the locker room) and he passed. That is why they ran him back out.

Pretty much this.  Although I think a Bengal Doctor offers his opinion as well.  I can't see a scenario though where a Bengal Doctor could overrule an unaffiliated Doctor.  

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

https://www.statnews.com/2015/12/22/nfl-concussion-spotting-system/

[SunsetBengal]

(12-23-2016, 05:30 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: According to the beat writers, the independent doctor called a 2nd one because he was amazed that Burfict passed the test. He essentially got a 2nd opinion in the locker room and was cleared.

Now, that's what I call hard headed..

[*Awful Llama*]

(12-23-2016, 05:55 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Now, that's what I call hard headed..

I can't fault the Bengals if not one but two doctors cleared the guy to play.  That seems like erring on the side of caution.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

I wonder why an "independent" neurological specialist needs someone less qualified than they are to spot the potential concussions for the specialist? Wouldn't it make sense to have the specialist with the most training up in the booth spotting the possible concussions with their own eyes, too? Who pays the salary for an "independent" neurological consultant to basically make house calls on a Sunday? Why doesn't the NFL have concussion spotters during practices when they aren't visible to be fans or cameras? Why was RGIII cleared then not cleared for his concussion the very next day by the specialist and why would the consultant resign?

[fredtoast]

There was a game back in '14 (Falcons?) where Burfict did not know where he was and we put him back in the game after about two plays.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-23-2016, 05:30 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: According to the beat writers, the independent doctor called a 2nd one because he was amazed that Burfict passed the test. He essentially got a 2nd opinion in the locker room and was cleared.

They also reported Dennard's shoulder injury was a separation and a dislocation, but those are two distinctly different injuries. Hobson reported Eifert's injury was just a sprain.

I would believe that report if the specialist told the writers that information, but without Burfict's consent the specialist wouldn't divulge that info. I also might believe that report if the writer observed the specialist consult with the other specialist. Highly doubtful since the specialist would most likely make that call from the treatment area where they aren't going to allow the media to observe the exam. If that information came from a team official, I don't believe it. WTH is the other specialist going to know over the phone without even examining Burfict?  And if an independent neurological specialist needs to consult another specialist for a concussion the NFL hired the wrong damn specialist. 

[HarleyDog]

Should have pulled him just in case. He more valuable than the POTUS!

[Sled21]

You people do realize concussion symptoms can show up well after an impact, right? Per NFL rules, he was checked by the team doctor and by an independent doctor. But hey, maybe the message board should have been brought in to check him....

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-24-2016, 12:56 AM)Sled21 Wrote: You people do realize concussion symptoms can show up well after an impact, right? Per NFL rules, he was checked by the team doctor and by an independent doctor. But hey, maybe the message board should have been brought in to check him....

(12-23-2016, 05:30 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: According to the beat writers, the independent doctor called a 2nd one because he was amazed that Burfict passed the test. He essentially got a 2nd opinion in the locker room and was cleared.

Sometimes symptoms of a concussion are immediately present and readily apparent to fans watching on TV from the comfort of their couch. Such as appearing momentarily dazed or having your bell rung. Burfict's bell was definitely rung. Apparently, the NFL hired a neurological specialist who can't diagnose or rule out a concussion on his own without calling the neurological specialist's specialist. 

[Sled21]

(12-24-2016, 02:31 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Sometimes symptoms of a concussion are immediately present and readily apparent to fans watching on TV from the comfort of their couch. Such as appearing momentarily dazed or having your bell rung. Burfict's bell was definitely rung. Apparently, the NFL hired a neurological specialist who can't diagnose or rule out a concussion on his own without calling the neurological specialist's specialist. 

Having your bell rung and being concussed are not the same thing.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-24-2016, 12:15 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Having your bell rung and being concussed are not the same thing.

This information is from the Center for Sports Concussions at Idaho State University . . .

Quote:“Bell-Ringers” are Concussions

Many people often use or hear the term “bell-ringer” or “ding” to describe momentary states of confusion or disorientation that results after being hit on the head. The casual term tends to infer that such injuries are not reason to be concerned. This is not the case. Bell-ringers or dings are the most common type of concussion, yet in youth and high school sport they are often not taken seriously. In fact, many go unreported. In addition to the very real threat of Second Impact Syndrome, which typically results in death, several studies have clearly shown these mild instances of concussion can have significant neurocognitive effects.Additional symptoms can have delayed onset. While many in the athletic community tend to believe bellringers or dings heal rapidly and warrant continuation of physical activity, the cellular and functional damage to the brain can take much longer than several minutes to resolve. Continuing to ignore the very real threat bell-ringers and dings present puts the health and safety of the young athlete at definite risk. Therefore, it’s best not return athletes to play who have sustained any type of concussive injury.

Immediately after Burfict was hit he was staggering because his brain was unable to control his normal bodily function resulting in an abnormal gait.  This is known as a neurological deficeit.  The reason he had a temporary neurologic deficeit which resulted in an abnormal gait was because he was stunned from having his brain smack against the inside of his skull so hard that it temporarily resulted in a loss of normal function.  It is a concussion by definition.  I could tell from my couch just by observing Burfict's behavior.  
If you are a parent with kids who play sports or a coach at any level, it is important you know that an athlete who gets their bell rung or gets dinged has suffered a concussion and they shouldn't be allowed to return to play until cleared medically.  The obsolete return to play protocol allowed athletes to return to play within 15 minutes of suffering a mild concussion with a normal exam.  That has been largely abandoned.  The current recommendation is a step wise return to play individualized to each athlete for each concussion.

[Atomic Orange]

The Bengals should be fined for having a shitty medical staff.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(12-24-2016, 08:02 PM)Atomic Orange Wrote: The Bengals should be fined for having a shitty medical staff.

I see other teams do it every week.  

[Atomic Orange]

(12-24-2016, 08:14 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I see other teams do it every week.  

Then they should be fined too. I could tell from my couch the hit was severe enough to err on the safe side. However i knew he would be back because "Steelers".