Since the Bengals last playoff win...

[fredtoast]

(01-01-2017, 04:45 AM)Burma Wrote: Lmao.  Are you for real? You quote my post and you toss out a random closed ended question to prove some point not brought up is wrong.  Why would I answer your irrelevant question?  

That is exactly what I was asking.  Why quote the question I asked if you are not going to answer it.

Of course you can make any comments you want to here.  But no need to quote my post if you are not going to address what i said.

My point is that too many people obsess over our lack of playoff wins when it actually does not mean that much.  We are a much more successful franchise than many other teams who have won a playoff game since we have.

[bengalguy71]

(01-01-2017, 04:12 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So you think the Browns are abetter franchise than the Bengals because they won a playoff game 18 years ago?

Seriously?

I agree with the Fredster on this one, and I'm going to piss some people off by copying and paste from another thread   :

If it's not the last playoff game you win, does it really matter?

How better off are the Browns, Lions, Texans, Titans, Jaguars, Chargers, Rams, Cardinals, Falcons, Bears, Vikings, and the Eagles because they have won a playoff game within the last 26 years?

Have those playoff games brought more money to those cities?


Here's what the players make, peanuts compared to many of their annual salaries:

Wild-Card Round—Division Winner: $25,000

Wild-Card Team: $23,000
Divisional Round: $25,000
Conference Championship: $46,000
Super Bowl Winner: $102,000
Super Bowl Loser: $51,000


Outside of that, what benefit is there?  The same bragging rights the Bengals get when they beat the Browns??

[BleedNOrange]

So depressing.  Even the Houston Oilers (no, not the Titans) have a playoff win more recently...in 1991.  

[THE PISTONS]

(01-01-2017, 04:12 AM)fredtoast Wrote: So you think the Browns are abetter franchise than the Bengals because they won a playoff game 18 years ago?

Seriously?

The typical fan rebuttal...they compare the Bengals to the absolute worst team in the NFL...and say we're better than them essentially.

Well Fred...if your metric is playoff wins from 1991 to Present...the Browns are better than us.

They're actually quite comparible to us as the Bengals in the 1990s were just as bad as the current Browns.

[THE PISTONS]

(01-01-2017, 04:03 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Who cares?  The Browns won a playoff game 18 years ago.  Does that mean they are a better franchise than the Bengals?

It is really pathetic how so many people ignore everything good about the Bengals.   They claim the 5 straight playoff appearances are meaningless because the post season is all that matters, but then they turn around and act like 2 Super Bowls don't count either.  It is like they bend over backwards to try and be as negative as possible

As far as ignoring the good. The NFL is setup for good things to happen to franchises. 23 of 32 teams have been to a Super Bowl since 1991.

26 teams have atleast 5 playoff wins since 1991. 26. That means only 6 teams don't and some are expansion franchises like Houston and Jacksonville.

And we're supposed to hang our hats on 5 playoff appearances in a row without a single playoff win. Granted making the playoffs 5 years in a row isn't easy...and is an accomplishment. The fan base wants playoff wins and a Super Bowl.

[fredtoast]

(01-01-2017, 01:35 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: As far as ignoring the good. The NFL is setup for good things to happen to franchises. 23 of 32 teams have been to a Super Bowl since 1991.

And the Super Bowl did not exist before 1991 for the whimpering drama queens around here.

[BleedNOrange]

(01-01-2017, 01:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That is exactly what I was asking.  Why quote the question I asked if you are not going to answer it.

Of course you can make any comments you want to here.  But no need to quote my post if you are not going to address what i said.

My point is that too many people obsess over our lack of playoff wins when it actually does not mean that much.  We are a much more successful franchise than many other teams who have won a playoff game since we have.

It doesn't mean that much?  Tell that to Dan Marino or Charles Barkley.  Quick, tell me who finished 5th/6th in the AFC in 2012/2013/... without looking it up.  It's tough but I bet you can tell me who won the Super Bowl.  Championships are what fans and players care about (that and money of course).

It depends on how you define success.  They have been very successful from a business perspective, which is the most important for a business.  It just hasn't been very successful from a fans perspective.

[fredtoast]

(01-01-2017, 01:34 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The typical fan rebuttal...they compare the Bengals to the absolute worst team in the NFL...and say we're better than them essentially.

At least I am smart enough to know we are better than the Browns.

The people who think the only way to measure the success of a team is the most recent playoff win can't figure this out.

Playoff wins since 1991 is totally random and a pretty stupid way to judge how successful a franchise is or has been.

[fredtoast]

(01-01-2017, 01:40 PM)BleedNOrange Wrote: It doesn't mean that much?  Tell that to Dan Marino or Charles Barkley.  Quick, tell me who finished 5th/6th in the AFC in 2012/2013/... without looking it up.  It's tough but I bet you can tell me who won the Super Bowl.  Championships are what fans and players care about (that and money of course).

It depends on how you define success.  They have been very successful from a business perspective, which is the most important for a business.  It just hasn't been very successful from a fans perspective.

I have no problem with people who use a consistent measurement to judge a teams success.  I have no argument with people who rip the bengals for never winning a championship.

The problem I have is with people who bend over backwards and come up with some silly random measurement like "most playoff wins since 1991" to judge how good a team has been just because it allows then to cry the loudest.

[Socal Bengals fan]

(01-01-2017, 01:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: At least I am smart enough to know we are better than the Browns.

The people who think the only way to measure the success of a team is the most recent playoff win can't figure this out.

Playoff wins since 1991 is totally random and a pretty stupid way to judge how successful a franchise is or has been.

Mike Brown is this really you?

[grampahol]

Although I would prefer they win in the post season rather than lose it really doesn't change my life one iota whether they win the super bowl or get the number one pick in the draft.
I'd stake my life on someone (probably several someones) crying to fire Marvin if next year they won the super bowl 99-0.. It's just the way it goes. 

[Shake n Blake]

(01-01-2017, 01:54 PM)grampahol Wrote: 1. Although I would prefer they win in the post season rather than lose it really doesn't change my life one iota whether they win the super bowl or get the number one pick in the draft.

2. I'd stake my life on someone (probably several someones) crying to fire Marvin if next year they won the super bowl 99-0.. It's just the way it goes. 

1. Agree that Bengals wins/losses don't change our lives one way or the other, but what's your point? Should we just not post anything at all since it's just a meaningless game? Or does that only count with unpleasant truths?

2. There's always a troll, but among our well known members, I'd stake my life that you're wrong. I think a parade would be thrown for Marv and a statue erected if he won a SB. The problem is he's been nowhere near that. The questions directed at Marv and Mike are 100% valid.

If a hurricane rolls through Cincinnati tomorrow, is the weatherman just a hater for acknowledging the hurricane? Or is he just pointing out a negative truth?

[Socal Bengals fan]

(01-01-2017, 01:54 PM)grampahol Wrote: Although I would prefer they win in the post season rather than lose it really doesn't change my life one iota whether they win the super bowl or get the number one pick in the draft.
I'd stake my life on someone (probably several someones) crying to fire Marvin if next year they won the super bowl 99-0.. It's just the way it goes. 

Can we give negative reps?

[BengalChris]

(12-31-2016, 11:42 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: - 23 teams have been to a Super Bowl. 72% of the league
- Every team besides the Browns, Texans and Lions has won at least 4 playoff games
- 11 teams have won at least 11 playoff games
- 26 teams have at least 5 playoff wins, which is how many the Bengals have in their 49 year history
- 13 teams have been to multiple Super Bowls
- 14 teams have won a Super Bowl

Here's the playoff records for all teams from 1991-2015

Patriots: 25-12
Packers: 19-16
Steelers: 18-14
Ravens: 15-8
Broncos: 15-11
Cowboys: 14-10
49ers: 14-11
Colts: 14-15
Seahawks: 12-10
Eagles: 12-13
Giants: 11-7
Panthers: 9-7
Bills: 8-7 (3rd longest streak, at 21 seasons)
Saints: 7-7
Jets: 7-8
Chargers: 7-9
Rams: 6-4
Cardinals: 6-5
Redskins: 6-6
Oilers/Titans: 6-9
Falcons: 6-9
Vikings: 6-13
Raiders: 5-5
Jaguars: 5-6
Buccaneers: 5-6
Dolphins: 5-9
Bears: 4-6
Chiefs: 4-11 (broke a 22 year streak last year)
Texans: 2-3 (both wins over Bengals)
Browns: 1-2 (streak is now at 19 seasons)
Lions: 1-8 (their streak is only 1 year shorter)
Bengals: 0-7 (the streak is now up to 26 seasons)

______________________

The only teams to not play in a Super Bowl during this span are:

Jets
Dolphins
Browns
Bengals
Texans
Jaguars
Chiefs
Lions
Vikings

Mikey Brown's Legacy!

Remember that the last Bengals playoff win came the season before Mikey took over.

[*Nately120*]

(01-01-2017, 01:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I have no problem with people who use a consistent measurement to judge a teams success.  I have no argument with people who rip the bengals for never winning a championship.

The problem I have is with people who bend over backwards and come up with some silly random measurement like "most playoff wins since 1991" to judge how good a team has been just because it allows then to cry the loudest.

Wasn't the 1991 season when Mike Brown took over?  That's hardly an arbitrary point to start keeping track of something.

[Bengalholic]

(01-01-2017, 01:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: At least I am smart enough to know we are better than the Browns.

The people who think the only way to measure the success of a team is the most recent playoff win can't figure this out.

Playoff wins since 1991 is totally random and a pretty stupid way to judge how successful a franchise is or has been.

It's very telling that whenever you (or others) are making this kind of argument, you always choose to compare the Bengals to the very worst examples. Is that honestly the standard we're aiming for, to be better than the worst? Shouldn't the true barometer, in terms of evaluating overall success, be how we stack up against the best?

Even if we narrow the scope - to make it more friendly - to just the Marvin era, and only in our own conference, and not even counting playoff wins...the Bengals are still just middle of the pack in overall success (total wins, winning seasons and PO appearances).

[t3r3e3]

(01-01-2017, 07:27 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: It's very telling that whenever you (or others) are making this kind of argument, you always choose to compare the Bengals to the very worst examples. Is that honestly the standard we're aiming for, to be better than the worst? Shouldn't the true barometer, in terms of evaluating overall success, be how we stack up against the best?

Even if we narrow the scope - to make it more friendly - to just the Marvin era, and only in our own conference, and not even counting playoff wins...the Bengals are still just middle of the pack in overall success (total wins, winning seasons and PO appearances).

But, but, we have been to the Wild Card Round 7 times...  The bottom line is the Bengals, as an organization, have been inept when compared to their peers under the Mike Brown regime.  Inept.  Period.  Fred can spin it any way this side of Hobson, but the results speak for themselves.  In the socialist NFL environment, everyone outside of the Browns and Lions have shown at least some tangible success in a push for an NFL title.  Hell, over the course of their existence, the Bengals have two good seasons in 49 years.  

[t3r3e3]

(12-31-2016, 11:42 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: - 23 teams have been to a Super Bowl. 72% of the league
- Every team besides the Browns, Texans and Lions has won at least 4 playoff games
- 11 teams have won at least 11 playoff games
- 26 teams have at least 5 playoff wins, which is how many the Bengals have in their 49 year history
- 13 teams have been to multiple Super Bowls
- 14 teams have won a Super Bowl

Here's the playoff records for all teams from 1991-2015

Patriots: 25-12
Packers: 19-16
Steelers: 18-14
Ravens: 15-8
Broncos: 15-11
Cowboys: 14-10
49ers: 14-11
Colts: 14-15
Seahawks: 12-10
Eagles: 12-13
Giants: 11-7
Panthers: 9-7
Bills: 8-7 (3rd longest streak, at 21 seasons)
Saints: 7-7
Jets: 7-8
Chargers: 7-9
Rams: 6-4
Cardinals: 6-5
Redskins: 6-6
Oilers/Titans: 6-9
Falcons: 6-9
Vikings: 6-13
Raiders: 5-5
Jaguars: 5-6
Buccaneers: 5-6
Dolphins: 5-9
Bears: 4-6
Chiefs: 4-11 (broke a 22 year streak last year)
Texans: 2-3 (both wins over Bengals)
Browns: 1-2 (streak is now at 19 seasons)
Lions: 1-8 (their streak is only 1 year shorter)
Bengals: 0-7 (the streak is now up to 26 seasons)

______________________

The only teams to not play in a Super Bowl during this span are:

Jets
Dolphins
Browns
Bengals
Texans
Jaguars
Chiefs
Lions
Vikings

This is reality under Mike Brown.  To win Lombardis, you have to win Playoff games against other successful franchises. The Bengals can't even make it out of the Wild Card round, and have never challenged for a title under Mike Brown. The bottom of the list is filled with perennial cellar dwellers, and one franchise run as a nepotistic mom and pop business.  It's pretty depressing, actually, and no one can argue with the hard evidence, except the blind homers (DennyG, fredtoast, etc.)

[Shake n Blake]

(01-01-2017, 06:38 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Wasn't the 1991 season when Mike Brown took over?  That's hardly an arbitrary point to start keeping track of something.

Nothing random about it. Yes, not only was 1991 the year Mikey fully took over, it was also the year our playoff win drought began. Fred is just fredding.

[*bengalfan74*]

(01-01-2017, 01:07 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Just to clarify, the purpose of this thread will be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain who isn't constantly seeking an argument. I wasn't saying "the Bengals are inferior to the Browns because the Browns won 1 playoff game in 1994". Only a complete buffoon would believe that, or someone trying to pick out a weak part of an argument I'm not even trying to make.


No, the point of this thread is to put our playoff streak in perspective. Hopefully for those foolish enough to believe that Bengals fans who have never even witnessed a playoff win are just whiny haters for bringing up a very frustrating and real aspect of the team. One they hope will eventually get better. The idea that I'm happy about the streak is beyond ridiculous. I'm an unpaid moderator on a Bengals chat board for Pete's sake. I love this team and the fact that I have to defend that on here is sad.

Amazing, and sad at how long this franchise has wallowed in ineptness ! Think about it

The 80's were just over, the frigging 80's !!

These were high tech when we last won a playoff game



The WWW was launched on August 6th 1991.

Jennifer Lawrence was 1 year old.

Operation Desert Storm kicked off on Jan. 17th 1991

Average cost for a gallon of gas was $1.12

Lou Piniella was still the Manager of the Reds.

Average cost of a new car $9,899