Tyler Eifert and AJ Green had 9 TDs combined

[WeezyBengal]

They both barely played this year, dude. Jeesh.

[*ochocincos*]

This is worth pointing out...
https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/819920629931638784



Zampese was very similar to both Jackson and Gruden in their first year as Bengals OC.
It's also worth noting that both Gruden and Jackson improved in nearly every category the following year, which can give hope that Zampese will do the same.

[Benton]

Our red zone stunk for a lot of reasons. We didn't have Eiffert a big chunk of the year, so teams could basically man AJ/LaFell, and zone the rest to keep us from dumping it off or running it in. Some of that is on Zampese, sure, but he's not the one drafting.

And yes, I had to find some way to blame Marvin. I did it. I get a cookie today.

[milksheikh]

Green played 10 games and Eifert played 8 games.

That's all that needs to be said.

[*ochocincos*]

(02-08-2017, 01:25 PM)milksheikh Wrote: Green played 10 games and Eifert played 8 games.

That's all that needs to be said.

[Shake n Blake]

(02-07-2017, 11:33 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Zampese is terrible, but you ignored an awfully big point when you say 9 combined TDs.

That's 9 TDs in essentially 17 games (technically 18, but I think we can agree the last game where AJ did nothing and got hurt instantly for the year isn't really a proper game) out of a possible 32.

That would be 17 TDs if they both played full seasons. Of course asking a full season out of Eifert is pretty much impossible. Heck, Eifert only started 2 games last year. I don't like Kenny Z as OC, and I think the Bengals need another proper receiving weapon, but you pulled out one single stat and then ignored everything else around it.

/thread.

(02-08-2017, 12:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: This is worth pointing out...
https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/819920629931638784



Zampese was very similar to both Jackson and Gruden in their first year as Bengals OC.
It's also worth noting that both Gruden and Jackson improved in nearly every category the following year, which can give hope that Zampese will do the same.

Not sure about the other stats, but without even looking it up, I can tell you those sack numbers are all jacked up. Dalton was sacked around 20 times as a rookie, 46 times in 2012, around 25 times in 2014 and 41 times last year. Are they counting some throw aways as sacks?

[*ochocincos*]

(02-08-2017, 02:43 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: /thread.


Not sure about the other stats, but without even looking it up, I can tell you those sack numbers are all jacked up. Dalton was sacked around 20 times as a rookie, 46 times in 2012, around 25 times in 2014 and 41 times last year. Are they counting some throw aways as sacks?

Joe Goodberry made a correction on the sack totals in a response to the one I posted.
https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/819944146559467520

[grampahol]

Meh..just change the lyrics from Hooray for Hollywood to Hooray for Football .
It doesn't really rhyme very well, but the gist is the same. 
I'm OUTRAGED! Outraged I say.. Our Sunday entertainment isn't as entertaining as we should all demand and anyone not as outraged as me should be deported. 
Yeah, I know the line that football is just entertainment gets old just like rooting for a team that doesn't win when we want them to win gets old.
So you have a few options..
Watch and complain when it doesn't go the way you want,  watch and not complain when it doesn't go the way you want, not watch and complain when it doesn't go the way you want or not watch and don't complain when it doesn't go the way you want.
Of course they could win and you can still complain , but never NEVER EVER not complain. It just wouldn't be any fun that way.  
That's entertainment folks. 

[Jpoore]

(02-07-2017, 11:04 PM)Housh Wrote: Either Dalton has to go or the OC. And Dalton is a great QB so it's probably not him. The o line was horrible but it wasn't 9 TDs combined to your top 2 receivers level horrible. The Browns gave up the most sacks and were the worst team in the NFL and got the ball to their top 2 options for 6TDs. Are you telling me Eifert and Green are only 3 TDs better than Terrell Pryor and Gary Barnidge? Also add in the Browns QBs all sucked and we had Dalton. Someone please explain this to me

They played 2 games together. They didn't have a legit receiving option opposite aj green. Lafell was trash. U could double team aj and have no other receiving threats. If eifert was healthy they would have been a lot better

(02-07-2017, 11:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You may be misreading those stats, as actually Brandon LaFell led the team with 6 TD receptions.  I can't really believe that so many are ready to dismiss him from the team.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals

I don't think anyone who starts 4 games and gets a combined 32 yards deserves another contract. Especially when ur one on one due to aj getting doubled.

[Housh]

I see so many ppl giving excuses for why he utilized AJ Green and Eifert so poorly but not nearly enough people wanting to admit his playcalling flat out sucked for most of the season.

Yeah Green and Eifert played limited games together but the games they did play together healthy our redzone offense STILL was pure trash. Its not like we were a fire-breathing dragon on offense when Green or Eifert played and then ONLY when they were hurt we were horrible. We sucked whether they played or not outside of a few monster games from AJ Green and solid Eifert games. The inconsistency to get these guys involved was APALLING. Green had to get less than 5 fade routes thrown to him all season.

When the injury excuse is needed then im all for. But when your playcall sucks no matter who you have on the field then im putting that on the coach.





And can we please not act like this past season happened 20 years ago and forget or ignore stuff that happened. ALOT of the times we DID end up scoring or getting a FG it was because ANDY DALTON threw Zampese's plays in the garbage where they belong and went hurry up and called his own plays. A lot of the times he would march us down the field easily and whenever he did that Zamp not wanting to be outdone would not let Dalton run no huddle for the rest of the game and wed lose because we didn't get another 1st down all game. You can tell when Dalton would call his own plays because he'd attack the seams up the middle and the offense would actually not suck for a couple plays. lol Zampese kept his attack more horizontal.

Stuff like that wont change no matter who we have playing. Dude is horrible. With all the experience he has he should've done better. Hue and Gruden were good and one thing I can say about them is they never came out and said some dumb shit like "We were using Green as a decoy so we didn't throw to him at all". That's so idiotic

[Housh]

(02-08-2017, 03:20 PM)grampahol Wrote: Meh..just change the lyrics from Hooray for Hollywood to Hooray for Football .
It doesn't really rhyme very well, but the gist is the same. 
I'm OUTRAGED! Outraged I say.. Our Sunday entertainment isn't as entertaining as we should all demand and anyone not as outraged as me should be deported. 
Yeah, I know the line that football is just entertainment gets old just like rooting for a team that doesn't win when we want them to win gets old.
So you have a few options..
Watch and complain when it doesn't go the way you want,  watch and not complain when it doesn't go the way you want, not watch and complain when it doesn't go the way you want or not watch and don't complain when it doesn't go the way you want.
Of course they could win and you can still complain , but never NEVER EVER not complain. It just wouldn't be any fun that way.  
That's entertainment folks. 

Explain one time ever when this has been a problem with Bengals fans?


Ill wait




Zero superbowls speak loud

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-07-2017, 11:04 PM)Housh Wrote: Either Dalton has to go or the OC. And Dalton is a great QB so it's probably not him. The o line was horrible but it wasn't 9 TDs combined to your top 2 receivers level horrible. The Browns gave up the most sacks and were the worst team in the NFL and got the ball to their top 2 options for 6TDs. Are you telling me Eifert and Green are only 3 TDs better than Terrell Pryor and Gary Barnidge? Also add in the Browns QBs all sucked and we had Dalton. Someone please explain this to me

Eifert and Green were injured for a lot of games this year but...

Zampese had terrible schemes in the red zone all year long IMHO. Didn't see hardly any of the fades to Green this
year that have always worked plus we seemed to just ignore our big TE's all year not just Eifert. Zamp is the one who
is the problem no doubt.

I know it was his first year as an OC but the Offense should of improved as the season went on.

Geunther's Defense improved in his first year which is what you want to see in your Coordinator.

[Shake n Blake]

I wasn't overly impressed at all with Zampese. That said, tough to fully judge him when he has to deal with the ineptitude of Paul Alexander and his hand picked pupils, Ogbuehi and Bodine. Add in 16 games worth of missed time from Green and Eifert (they played like 1 game together healthy) and that's a tough hand for a rookie OC. I still think it was a lazy hire, but there are coaches that I'd rather pick on than Zampese.

[*SHRacerX*]

(02-07-2017, 11:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You may be misreading those stats, as actually Brandon LaFell led the team with 6 TD receptions.  I can't really believe that so many are ready to dismiss him from the team.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals

Lafell was solid, but that is what the QB and that WR are supposed to do:  take advantage of the single coverage afforded by having AJ doubled...ditto Eifert.  That is why I can't fathom that we didn't see more two TE sets with Uzomah and Eifert on the field with AJ and Lafell or AJ and Boyd.  

You see the teams in the Super Bowl not catering to any one guy...they went to the best matchup.  Heck, I bet most people don't even know that Brady's top target was his RB with something like 14 receptions?  Don't force the ball...take what is given by the best matchup.

One thing is for certain....I don't want Sexy on the Pats...

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-08-2017, 08:31 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I wasn't overly impressed at all with Zampese. That said, tough to fully judge him when he has to deal with the ineptitude of Paul Alexander and his hand picked pupils, Ogbuehi and Bodine. Add in 16 games worth of missed time from Green and Eifert (they played like 1 game together healthy) and that's a tough hand for a rookie OC. I still think it was a lazy hire, but there are coaches that I'd rather pick on than Zampese.

This is all true, even though Zamp was a lazy hire, he was a bit handcuffed with PA.

If we just added a decent O-line coach this would help Zampese immensely and the team more than anything else.

[SunsetBengal]

(02-09-2017, 07:50 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Lafell was solid, but that is what the QB and that WR are supposed to do:  take advantage of the single coverage afforded by having AJ doubled...ditto Eifert.  That is why I can't fathom that we didn't see more two TE sets with Uzomah and Eifert on the field with AJ and Lafell or AJ and Boyd.  

You see the teams in the Super Bowl not catering to any one guy...they went to the best matchup.  Heck, I bet most people don't even know that Brady's top target was his RB with something like 14 receptions?  Don't force the ball...take what is given by the best matchup.

One thing is for certain....I don't want Sexy on the Pats...

Thanks for quoting my post, as it drew to my attention to the fact that I may have misinterpreted the spirit of the OP, upon my first reading of it.  While my response was pointing out that Andy made good use of his WR2, I totally blew past the part about addressing Zampeze's play calling/offensive strategy.  While it's worthless to try to pin the blame on Andy, as his two top targets were out of commission a good part of the season, I also really can't blame the play calling either.  We all know that every football play ever created, is designed to score a touchdown.  So, the implementation of the strategy of when some plays are called, rather than others depends partly on the opposition's typical response, and offensive execution of the called play.  It's no secret that the Bengals OL did not execute very well, thus thwarting chances of success of many plays from the onset. 

My big complaint with Zampeze is why did he not raise holy hell for the OL not executing?  Is not OL a part of the offense, under the charge of the Offensive Coordinator?  My second complaint is why does Paul Alexander get a sub title of "Assistant Head Coach"?  Does this mean that he answers to no one other than Marvin Lewis?  If this is true, why is our coaching structure set up where a position coach isn't held accountable to his coordinator?  Even at that, why is Marvin not shoving his foot knee deep up Alexander's ass?

[Shake n Blake]

(02-09-2017, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Thanks for quoting my post, as it drew to my attention to the fact that I may have misinterpreted the spirit of the OP, upon my first reading of it.  While my response was pointing out that Andy made good use of his WR2, I totally blew past the part about addressing Zampeze's play calling/offensive strategy.  While it's worthless to try to pin the blame on Andy, as his two top targets were out of commission a good part of the season, I also really can't blame the play calling either.  We all know that every football play ever created, is designed to score a touchdown.  So, the implementation of the strategy of when some plays are called, rather than others depends partly on the opposition's typical response, and offensive execution of the called play.  It's no secret that the Bengals OL did not execute very well, thus thwarting chances of success of many plays from the onset. 

My big complaint with Zampeze is why did he not raise holy hell for the OL not executing?  Is not OL a part of the offense, under the charge of the Offensive Coordinator?  My second complaint is why does Paul Alexander get a sub title of "Assistant Head Coach"?  Does this mean that he answers to no one other than Marvin Lewis?  If this is true, why is our coaching structure set up where a position coach isn't held accountable to his coordinator?  Even at that, why is Marvin not shoving his foot knee deep up Alexander's ass?

It's that Bengals "family" mentality. Nobody places winning first because the owner doesn't. Instead of holding coaches accountable, the coaches just blame players or the dreaded "lack of execution". 

If Mike Brown placed pressure on the Marvin, Marvin would in turn apply pressure on his coordinators and coordinators would put pressure on the position coaches, etc. Of course, there is no pressure on Marv. The man is so comfortable that he's haggling for an extension on his contract after a 6 win season...so his staff can be comfortable. Smh. 

[Cure4CF]

(02-08-2017, 02:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Joe Goodberry made a correction on the sack totals in a response to the one I posted.
https://twitter.com/JoeGoodberry/status/819944146559467520

Man, based on the past with more sacks in the second year, it looks like 57 sacks in 2017.

[JumboTron]

(02-08-2017, 11:33 AM)Housh Wrote: If I'm a douche for keeping it as real as possible then that's just what it is. I work with drug addicts and stubborn old men so if you(Not literally just you, everyone else as well.) look at my posts and find them douche I'm sorry but that's just who I am. I'm the type of guy who sees someone mess up and would be first to give them a correction before I'd let them slide with an excuse.

Yeah it was Zampese's first year so I understand he needs slack. But there was plenty of stuff he did wrong that he should know seeing as he's such an experience member of the NFL coaching family. His play call variety and game planning away from AJ was flat out HORRIBLE. Lafell stepped up because he was pretty good this year but he also stepped up because Zampese made the dumb gameplan of using Green as a decoy BEFORE first establishing him as a target. Pittsburgh doesn't do that with Brown. Ben and Brown totally expose you until you have to double him and THEN they use him as a decoy.

That'd be like the Cowboys saying they didn't don't run with Elliot because they wanted to use him as a decoy. Ummmm no dumbass, you give the ball to that man as much as possible, and then adjust when the defense keys in on him.  he's a generational talent

Ah, so that's why you're in such a bad mood.  

[*SHRacerX*]

(02-09-2017, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Thanks for quoting my post, as it drew to my attention to the fact that I may have misinterpreted the spirit of the OP, upon my first reading of it.  While my response was pointing out that Andy made good use of his WR2, I totally blew past the part about addressing Zampeze's play calling/offensive strategy.  While it's worthless to try to pin the blame on Andy, as his two top targets were out of commission a good part of the season, I also really can't blame the play calling either.  We all know that every football play ever created, is designed to score a touchdown.  So, the implementation of the strategy of when some plays are called, rather than others depends partly on the opposition's typical response, and offensive execution of the called play.  It's no secret that the Bengals OL did not execute very well, thus thwarting chances of success of many plays from the onset. 

My big complaint with Zampeze is why did he not raise holy hell for the OL not executing?  Is not OL a part of the offense, under the charge of the Offensive Coordinator?  My second complaint is why does Paul Alexander get a sub title of "Assistant Head Coach"?  Does this mean that he answers to no one other than Marvin Lewis?  If this is true, why is our coaching structure set up where a position coach isn't held accountable to his coordinator?  Even at that, why is Marvin not shoving his foot knee deep up Alexander's ass?

I hear ya....amazingly, the only thing I heard from Zampeze was a complaint...about Dalton!  If I was Dalton, I might have walked in to his office and played the tape of the Jets game and said:  "Where should I have gone with the ball in the .1 seconds of protection I was afforded here?"  

I was unaware of such a title for PA.  Good lord.  And the whole "why isn't someone in someone's ass" argument will surely cue responses such as "Belicheck isn't fiery" and so on....  I think the point of accountability has been lost in the argument of consistency...so the Bengals went from consistently bad to consistently pretty good.  But that will never be enough until their candy-ass strategy changes.  

The more I look at the recent history of the league:  Denver fires dud coach of pretty good team, replacement wins Super Bowl....Falcons fire dud of a coach on pretty good team, goes to Super Bowl (and subsequently executes the dumbest 15 minutes of strategy in NFL history, only to allow the rest of the world to slobber all over Brady's balls for the comeback....still can't believe they did what they did).  Del Rio has made a huge difference in Oakland... The list goes on and on.... The Bengals shouldn't extend Marv...anything less than a run in the postseason and buh-bye.  Then get a coach in here with some serious guts.