10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH

[Vas Deferens]

(07-14-2022, 12:50 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Since accusations and ulterior motives were ascribed to people wanting corroboration for this story I'd like to present a piece citing the exact same concerns from the far right Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/09/one-source-story-about-10-year-old-an-abortion-goes-viral/

Maybe the guy who wrote it is racist?

curious how he thought this blurb was aiding his point...

Quote:An abortion of a 10-year-old is pretty rare. The Columbus Dispatch reported that in 2020, 52 people under the age of 15 received an abortion in Ohio.

terrible.  

[*michaelsean*]

Jesus they killed an undocumented worker's unborn child?

[BigPapaKain]

(07-14-2022, 01:14 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: curious how he thought this blurb was aiding his point...


terrible.  

Maybe his point was to remind people to wait until the facts come out before getting their pitchforks and torches?

[GMDino]

(07-14-2022, 01:14 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: curious how he thought this blurb was aiding his point...


terrible.  

Even more curious is that he is a fact checker so the whole article is trying to check the facts...and when it turns out the facts are accurate he chalks it up to how hard it is to prove the facts are true.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-14-2022, 01:14 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: curious how he thought this blurb was aiding his point...


terrible.  

Nauseating to say the least.  The really awful part of this is that the guys in question were likely much older.  I'm sure some of them are around the same age, but I cannot tell you how many times I've investigated cases where a 20+ year old guy is "dating" a girl 16 or younger.  Even more disturbing is the number of parents, both of the boy and the girl, who let the girl live in the "boyfriend's" home.  

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-14-2022, 01:35 PM)GMDino Wrote: Even more curious is that he is a fact checker so the whole article is trying to check the facts...and when it turns out the facts are accurate he chalks it up to how hard it is to prove the facts are true.

Speaking of facts,
Everyone agrees that if this 10 year old is at major medical risk if she were to carry til birth right?

So with that in mind, the Heartbeat bill does have that covered and she could legally have an abortion in Ohio.
"serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman"

Now all that said, Hopefully the Heartbeat Bill gets an amendment to cover Rapes etc, but the reality of the situation appears to be purely Politically driven with no real concern for the girl other than making her a martyr for the cause.

[GMDino]

(07-14-2022, 01:48 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Speaking of facts,
Everyone agrees that if this 10 year old is at major medical risk if she were to carry til birth right?

So with that in mind, the Heartbeat bill does have that covered and she could legally have an abortion in Ohio.
"serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman"

Now all that said, Hopefully the Heartbeat Bill gets an amendment to cover Rapes etc, but the reality of the situation appears to be purely Politically driven with no real concern for the girl other than making her a martyr for the cause.

Do they all agree?

Essentially OH said go ahead and get an abortion under that exception and maybe we won't prosecute you.

I think one way of looking at this is to say that you blame the child and her guardians for taking her out of state with the argument that, hey you might not even have been charged and if you had you might win at trial.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 14, 2022

 


Let's look at the number of people, in OH government, questioned the entire story.  Will they believe a 10 year old? Her family? 

Would they want to do an investigation before allowing the abortion?


Just having the exception doesn't mean it will go unquestioned even if a report has been filed with the police.

[GMDino]

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-attempted-erasure-of-a-10-year-old-rape-victim-is-incredibly-sick-and-disturbed/

Another opinion piece, but he highlights (and links) the quotes from Republicans who simply didn't want to believe the story.  Including one who said it a google search shows it was debunked...before it was proven to be true.


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Ohio Republicans’ attempted erasure of a 10-year-old rape victim is incredibly sick and disturbed


DAVID DEWITT
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JULY 13, 2022 3:48 PM

   ?subject=Ohio+Republicans%27+attempted+erasure+of+a+10-year-old+rape+victim+is+incredibly+sick+and+disturbed&body=https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-attempted-erasure-of-a-10-year-old-rape-victim-is-incredibly-sick-and-disturbed/ 

 Left to right: Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, Republican Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost, and Republican U.S. Congressman Jim Jordan. Official photos.

The first and most important thing to recognize right now is that a heinous, violent crime was committed on a 10-year-old Ohio child, and thankfully justice has now found the alleged perpetrator.


A Columbus man was indicted Wednesday in a case that made national and international headlines about a 10-year-old girl who had to travel to Indiana for an abortion after Ohio’s abortion ban went into effect following the U.S. Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.

The story is horrifying and tragic. She has experienced enormous trauma. My heart breaks for her, and I’m very grateful to all the hard-working professionals out there providing her and her family assistance in what must be a truly awful time.

Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine and his spokesman responded to the story by ignoring questions about whether children should be forced to have their rapists’ babies. Then DeWine allies contacted members of the press, asking how sure they were that the case of the pregnant 10-year-old even happened.

The Washington Post, the conservative Daily Caller and other media outlets published stories saying that the case was unverified. The Wall Street Journal Editorial page suggested the story was a “fanciful tale.” The National Review’s Michael Brendan Dougherty referred to the case as “a fictive abortion and a fictive rape.”

Republican Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost went on Fox News Monday to raise further doubts. He said he works closely with law enforcement authorities and he’d gotten “not a whisper” about the case. “What I’m saying to you is there is not a damn scintilla of evidence,” he doubled-down to the Columbus Dispatch next on Tuesday.

Hamilton County Republican Party Chair Alex Triantafilou on Twitter called the case, “A garbage lie that a simple google search confirms is debunked.”

State Rep. Brian Stewart tweeted the Washington Post story saying he “wouldn’t trust an abortionist to tell me whether the sky is blue.”

Ohio U.S. Rep. Jim Jordan tweeted, “Another lie. Anyone surprised?”

None of them had the patience to verify for themselves with certainty the truth of the matter before going public on a massive, self-serving scale. Jordan deleted his tweet.

Columbus police said in court they were referred the case by Franklin County Children Services on June 22. On Monday, July 11, Fox News host Jesse Waters and Ohio AG Dave Yost were on national television questioning whether this case was real.

The propaganda erasing this 10-year-old’s existence was so swift it spread out over right-wing social media like a blanket. Those advocating the truth of her story — privately already confirmed for some of us, and crushing to hear about — were subjected to wild-eyed mockery and ridicule.

It’s incredibly disturbing that the default position of so many sick and twisted people — including Ohio’s most prominent Republican elected officials — is to very vocally and very publicly question whether the rape and impregnation of a 10-year-old child ever happened.

This case was never implausible. In 2020, the most recent year for which statistics are available, 52 girls aged 14 and younger had abortions in Ohio, according to the state department of health. A review of just the city of Columbus’ police log since March 15 uncovered 59 reports of sexual assaults of girls 15 and younger that, based on the information available, could have resulted in pregnancy. This included at least one case of a 10-year-old.

The wheels and integrity of local journalism spun and uncovered the truth, with the Columbus Dispatch breaking the news of confirmation of the case.

But after the confirmation broke Wednesday, DeWine’s spokesman, Dan Tierney, again refused to comment on whether child rape victims should be forced to carry their pregnancies to term.

Ten-year-olds who become pregnant are by definition rape victims. But Ohio’s abortion law signed by DeWine doesn’t make exceptions for rape and incest.

Yost’s office didn’t respond Wednesday when asked whether he believes child rape victims should be forced to carry pregnancies, nor whether it was important to believe stories about sexual violence. Instead he put out a statement applauding the arrest.

Yost offered no correction, no apology, and showed no contrition for going on national television to try to erase the lived experience of a child rape victim.

“Apologize for what? Questioning a newspaper story?” Ohio’s top law enforcement officer Dave Yost said about a case in his own county.

DeWine, Yost, and other Ohio Republicans hurt a traumatized child once by forcing her to flee the state in order to receive health care; then they hurt her again by peddling propaganda erasing her; now they’re hurting her a third time by refusing to acknowledge and apologize for their actions.

These powerful Ohio Republican politicians have thoroughly and completely shed themselves of any sense of shame or conscience.

They’re disgusting and disgraceful; callous, careless and cruel.

This is a matter of basic human decency, good faith and sensitivity on the most fundamental level of society.

If they are willing to try to erase the traumatic story of a 10-year-old rape victim, whose pain and suffering will they not try to ignore and erase?

They behave on a base level so repugnant and removed from the general good-heartedness of most Ohioans it’s almost unfathomable.

I honestly don’t know how they sleep at night, or look at themselves in the mirror in the morning.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-14-2022, 01:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: Do they all agree?

Essentially OH said go ahead and get an abortion under that exception and maybe we won't prosecute you.

I think one way of looking at this is to say that you blame the child and her guardians for taking her out of state with the argument that, hey you might not even have been charged and if you had you might win at trial.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 14, 2022

 


Let's look at the number of people, in OH government, questioned the entire story.  Will they believe a 10 year old? Her family? 

Would they want to do an investigation before allowing the abortion?


Just having the exception doesn't mean it will go unquestioned even if a report has been filed with the police.

HAHAHA, they would not have taken the girl to court and tried her. Would be the dumbest move possible, and anyone that thinks they would .. well you probably just pushing your own political agenda.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-14-2022, 02:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/07/13/ohio-republicans-attempted-erasure-of-a-10-year-old-rape-victim-is-incredibly-sick-and-disturbed/

Another opinion piece, but he highlights (and links) the quotes from Republicans who simply didn't want to believe the story.  Including one who said it a google search shows it was debunked...before it was proven to be true.


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Like it's not the first time someone has lied about a story on a hot topic??
I see nothing wrong with them getting the truth, but it should never have been made a national issue. Should have been kept on the downlow for the protection of the minor involved, or do you not agree?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(07-14-2022, 02:19 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Like it's not the first time someone has lied about a story on a hot topic??
I see nothing wrong with them getting the truth, but it should never have been made a national issue. Should have been kept on the downlow for the protection of the minor involved, or do you not agree?

Recently on MSNBC Howard Dean was promoting the thoroughly debunked lie that DeSantis signed a bill into law that requires college students to disclose their political affiliation.  You also have the CBP officers who were falsely accused of "whipping" migrants from horseback.  Hell, even Joe woke from his addled state to rail about that and promise punishment before an investigation was even done.  The news should never have been blindly trusted, but I don't trust a thing that comes from the MSM without additional corroboration.  And the media has no one but themselves to blame for this.

[*Nately120*]

(07-14-2022, 02:19 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Like it's not the first time someone has lied about a story on a hot topic??
I see nothing wrong with them getting the truth, but it should never have been made a national issue. Should have been kept on the downlow for the protection of the minor involved, or do you not agree?

THat makes sense to me, but I think we're heading in the opposite direction.  There are even new initiatives that encourage people to seek bounties for reporting people for doing things that may facilitate or assist in abortion related things.  Let's try to look surprised the first time a woman miscarries and fails to convince her neighbors of it and said neighbors attempt to claim their rewards for blowing the whistle on a woman who was pregnant the other day but isn't any more and doesn't have a baby.

Privacy, eh?  Not really our thing in this country post 9/11.  Everything is justified in the name of defending lives that matter and hell...you can't prosecute people who didn't know what they were doing was wrong, right?  Should be interesting, at least. 

[BigPapaKain]

(07-14-2022, 02:16 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: HAHAHA, they would not have taken the girl to court and tried her. Would be the dumbest move possible, and anyone that thinks they would .. well you probably just pushing your own political agenda.

This is the same country that put a woman away for murdering a guy who kidnapped her and raped her for years.

[GMDino]

(07-14-2022, 02:19 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Like it's not the first time someone has lied about a story on a hot topic??
I see nothing wrong with them getting the truth, but it should never have been made a national issue. Should have been kept on the downlow for the protection of the minor involved, or do you not agree?

We don't know who the minor is.  Her identity has been protected.

But as an example of what can and will happen with "leaving it to the states" to decide if abortions are legal it most definitely was a story worth spreading.

And there will be more of them.

[GMDino]

(07-14-2022, 02:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: THat makes sense to me, but I think we're heading in the opposite direction.  There are even new initiatives that encourage people to seek bounties for reporting people for doing things that may facilitate or assist in abortion related things.  Let's try to look surprised the first time a woman miscarries and fails to convince her neighbors of it and said neighbors attempt to claim their rewards for blowing the whistle on a woman who was pregnant the other day but isn't any more and doesn't have a baby.

Privacy, eh?  Not really our thing in this country post 9/11.  Everything is justified in the name of defending lives that matter and hell...you can't prosecute people who didn't know what they were doing was wrong, right?  Should be interesting, at least. 

Texas started it with their bounty on any student who might be wanting to transition.  California did one about guns I think.

States are trying to ban LEAVING the state to get an abortion where it IS legal.  "Leave it up to the states" will be a disaster. 

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-14-2022, 02:38 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: This is the same country that put a woman away for murdering a guy who kidnapped her and raped her for years.

Are you referring to Donna Hylton? That's a messed up story all around, how ever, She kinda crossed a line.. 

[GMDino]

(07-14-2022, 02:16 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: HAHAHA, they would not have taken the girl to court and tried her. Would be the dumbest move possible, and anyone that thinks they would .. well you probably just pushing your own political agenda.

Oh I don't put anything past the conservative agenda.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/10/starr-county-murder-charge/


The charges were dropped...eventually.

Conservatives love filling up jails.  This is just another way to feed the beast.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-14-2022, 03:00 PM)GMDino Wrote: We don't know who the minor is.  Her identity has been protected.

But as an example of what can and will happen with "leaving it to the states" to decide if abortions are legal it most definitely was a story worth spreading.

And there will be more of them.

BS, it's only a matter of time before it gets leaked.

And nothing wrong with pointing out a hypothetical situation that's based on reality with out a single reference to the current minor that fits the example ??? Oh yea, forgot rule one, sensationalize sensationalize 

[*pally*]

(07-14-2022, 01:48 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Speaking of facts,
Everyone agrees that if this 10 year old is at major medical risk if she were to carry til birth right?

So with that in mind, the Heartbeat bill does have that covered and she could legally have an abortion in Ohio.
"serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman"

Now all that said, Hopefully the Heartbeat Bill gets an amendment to cover Rapes etc, but the reality of the situation appears to be purely Politically driven with no real concern for the girl other than making her a martyr for the cause.

These laws are so poorly written that no one knows what actually constitutes a major medical risk and when that kicks in. Everyone knows an ectopic pregnancy is nonviable,  but is it an emergency before the tube ruptures?  At what point does pre-eclampsic blood pressure become life-threatening or uncontrollable?  How much bleeding is dangerous? Can a dead fetus be removed BEFORE it turns septic?  Republicans in the legislature were all so eager to prove they were the most pro-life that they wrote bad laws.  It is just like those vague anti-CRT-type laws going around.  They are so poorly written no one knows what is legal and what isn't legal. 

[*pally*]

This is from Jim Bopp a lawyer for the National Right to Life Org who wrote the prototype for these abortion bans on the 10 year old

  “She would have had the baby, and as many women who have had babies as a result of rape, we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child,” Bopp said in a phone interview on Thursday.



She is not a woman...she is a child herself.

 We don’t think, as heartwrenching as those circumstances are, we don’t think we should devalue the life of the baby because of the sins of the father.”


No, they have devalued the life of the mother or in this case the living breathing child turning her into nothing but a broodmare without feelings, ideas, or rights of her own.  She exists only to procreate, her hopes and dreams be damned