2020 Election

[*bfine32*]

(09-08-2020, 09:02 AM)fredtoast Wrote: You missed the pint of the question.

The question is not about the country being right or wrong.  It is about how blindly you will believe anything your country tells you.  

I guess a better way to put it would be.  "If you felt the country was doing something wrong would you still support it."

Some people will do whatever their country tells them.  Other people will not support something they think is wrong.  That si what the question is trying to measure.

That's still open to interpretation. For instance: I thought it was wrong to close churches and leave liquor stores open, but I didn't go to church nor quit drinking. So even though I thought they were wrong I supported it.

Conversely back when SSM laws passed and the White House was lit up with Rainbow lights; I thought that was wrong and did not support it by lighting my house up with rainbow lights. 

I'm fully aware those reading my agree or more likely disagree with my views on the examples given, but that's not the point. The point is that I viewed that question as one that was flawed. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

So apparently I am near-ish Gabbard?

[*bfine32*]

(09-08-2020, 09:41 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So apparently I am near-ish Gabbard?

Hell, I'd like to be near Gabbard

[Belsnickel]

(09-08-2020, 11:52 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell, I'd like to be near Gabbard

At first I was like "why is he posting a picture of Padma Lakshmi?" Then I looked it up and, yup, Gabbard. Damn.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-08-2020, 09:15 AM)bfine32 Wrote: 0 idea why your response has to be such. 

Not surprising since you don’t understand the question or what it is attempting to measure. But, for the premise of the question it is assumed your country is doing x and x is wrong. Is doesn’t matter what x is or who determines if x is wrong. X = wrong. The question attempts to measure how you react to authority. Will you blindly follow? Will you resist? Basically, if this was Nazi Germany during WWII would you support your country and be a Nazi. If you find yourself having difficulty disagreeing with the question you would be more authoritarian than libertarian.

[SunsetBengal]

I guess this would be the place to put this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-investigating-double-voting-in-primary-election/ar-BB18Pjyq?ocid=uxbndlbing

Quote:ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia's top elections official said Tuesday that his office has identified about 1,000 cases of double voting in the June primary election -- a felony he's determined to see prosecuted.

These voters submitted absentee ballots but also voted in person, a problem that happened across 100 Georgia counties, and election officials didn't catch them in time to keep the second votes from being tallied, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said.

[BigPapaKain]

(09-08-2020, 02:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I guess this would be the place to put this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-investigating-double-voting-in-primary-election/ar-BB18Pjyq?ocid=uxbndlbing

Election issues in Gerogia? Color me shocked. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-08-2020, 02:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I guess this would be the place to put this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-investigating-double-voting-in-primary-election/ar-BB18Pjyq?ocid=uxbndlbing

While Kemp held the same position overseeing the integrity of the election for governor, of which he himself was a candidate but refused to refuse himself, without any evidence he falsely claimed the Democrats tried to hack the election the weekend before the election in order to rally his base to turn out to vote. Many months later they very quietly announced there wasn’t any evidence to support Kemp’s false claims.

I guess it is to be determined if Kemp’s replacement is as big a lying POS as Kemp.

[SunsetBengal]

(09-08-2020, 03:34 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: While Kemp held the same position overseeing the integrity of the election for governor, of which he himself was a candidate but refused to refuse himself, without any evidence he falsely claimed the Democrats tried to hack the election the weekend before the election in order to rally his base to turn out to vote. Many months later they very quietly announced there wasn’t any evidence to support Kemp’s false claims.

I guess it is to be determined if Kemp’s replacement is as big a lying POS as Kemp.

It's not just in Georgia.  Let's not forget about California, earlier this year.

https://news.yahoo.com/eipca-california-secretary-state-investigating-232400578.html

And in Iowa

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa/articles/2019-12-27/9-people-suspected-of-double-voting-referred-for-prosecution

And in New Hampshire

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/new-hampshire-attorney-general-we-will-do-better-voter-fraud


Yet, so many Democrats are pushing for proliferation of voting by mail without proof of identity.

[BmorePat87]

(09-08-2020, 03:47 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's not just in Georgia.  Let's not forget about California, earlier this year.

https://news.yahoo.com/eipca-california-secretary-state-investigating-232400578.html

And in Iowa

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa/articles/2019-12-27/9-people-suspected-of-double-voting-referred-for-prosecution

And in New Hampshire

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/new-hampshire-attorney-general-we-will-do-better-voter-fraud


Yet, so many Democrats are pushing for proliferation of voting by mail without proof of identity.

These aren't inherently mail in voting or ID problems, and some of them have nothing to do with either.

 The GA and CA cases are an issue of having a system that fails to recognizes when a voter requested a mail-on ballot or voted already. In Maryland, I would be flagged in the system since I requested a mail-in ballot. If I tried to vote in person, I would be given a provisional ballot that would not count until they determined that I didn't mail in a ballot.

The Iowa one is from November 2018 and has to do with people being registered in multiple states. 

In the NH case is from 2016 and the guy was able to register as a person who doesn't exist. ID or no, that should not be allowed to happen. 


We should constantly be working to improve election security, but 0.001% of ballots in California possibly being fraudulent isn't a sign that we need more restrictive voting policies. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-08-2020, 03:47 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's not just in Georgia.  Let's not forget about California, earlier this year.

https://news.yahoo.com/eipca-california-secretary-state-investigating-232400578.html

And in Iowa

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa/articles/2019-12-27/9-people-suspected-of-double-voting-referred-for-prosecution

And in New Hampshire

https://patch.com/new-hampshire/concord-nh/new-hampshire-attorney-general-we-will-do-better-voter-fraud


Yet, so many Democrats are pushing for proliferation of voting by mail without proof of identity.

I think it is Oregon that has mail in voting.  I read there have been over 250M ballots cast and less than 1300 cases of voter fraud.

Which means 1) voter fraud is rare with mail in voting or 2) voter fraud is exceedingly easy to get away with.

In case 1) Trump has nothing to fear if voter fraud is rare.  In case 2) Trump has nothing to fear if voter fraud is exceedingly easy to get away with because he got away with trading relief from US sanctions against Russia in exchange for hacking the DNC headquarters and releasing Hillary's email to interfere with the election for his benefit. 

As for Georgia, based upon past experience I expect to hear nothing more about this for 18 months after the election when they very quietly announced there is no evidence to support the false claims of the Republican official charged with maintaining the integrity of the election while actively compromising the integrity of the election without consequence.

[CKwi88]

(09-08-2020, 02:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I guess this would be the place to put this.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-investigating-double-voting-in-primary-election/ar-BB18Pjyq?ocid=uxbndlbing

I seem to remember one of the presidential candidates telling people to do just this not weeks ago....

[*bfine32*]

(09-08-2020, 04:32 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: These aren't inherently problems mail in voting or ID problems, and some of them have nothing to do with either.

 The GA and CA is an issue with having a system to recognizes when a voter requested a mail-on ballot or voted already. In Maryland, I would be flagged in the system since I requested a mail-in ballot. If I tried to vote in person, I would be given a provisional ballot that would not count until they determined that I didn't mail in a ballot.

The Iowa one is from November 2018 and has to do with people being registered in multiple states. 

In the NH case, the guy was able to register as a person who doesn't exist. ID or no, that should not be allowed to happen. 


We should constantly be working to improve election security, but 0.001% of ballots in California possibly being fraudulent isn't a sign that we need more restrictive voting policies. 

States problems aren't because of mail in voting. The shows how all examples are because of mail in voting...

[BmorePat87]

(09-08-2020, 11:59 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: At first I was like "why is he posting a picture of Padma Lakshmi?" Then I looked it up and, yup, Gabbard. Damn.

No that is Padma Lakshmi.

[Belsnickel]

(09-08-2020, 05:37 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: No that is Padma Lakshmi.

You sure? I saw other shots and I didn't see the arm scar.

[BmorePat87]

(09-08-2020, 07:20 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You sure? I saw other shots and I didn't see the arm scar.

Yep, there was a whole thing about it on reddit with her bikini photos coming up when people googled "Tulsi Gabbard"


Edit: here you go https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/padma-lakshmi-absolute-bikini-babe-5133704.amp

[Belsnickel]

(09-08-2020, 07:44 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yep, there was a whole thing about it on reddit with her bikini photos coming up when people googled "Tulsi Gabbard"


Edit: here you go https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/padma-lakshmi-absolute-bikini-babe-5133704.amp

Weird. Makes sense, though. Glad my initial reaction was the right one.

[GMDino]

No need for a new post...Trump is using the DOJ to claim that when he denied sexually assaulting a woman he was doing in his position as the POTUS so they can now take up his legal defense.

https://twitter.com/BLaw/status/1303439419911933960?s=09

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-09-08/doj-seeks-to-take-over-trump-defense-in-e-jean-carroll-lawsuit?__twitter_impression=true

Quote:The U.S. Justice Department is seeking to take over the defense of President Donald Trump in a defamation suit brought by advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, who claims Trump raped her two decades ago.

Quote:The move could further delay a suit in which Carroll is demanding potentially damaging evidence from Trump during the final weeks before the presidential election, including a deposition and a DNA sample to compare to a dress she claims she was wearing at the time of the alleged attack. It could also leave taxpayers on the hook for any damages awarded in the case.

In a court filing Tuesday, the Justice Department said Trump was acting “within the scope” of his job as president when he said Carroll lied about the incident, prompting her lawsuit. The U.S. also moved the case to Manhattan federal court from a New York state court, where a judge last month denied his request to stall the suit.


“Today’s actions demonstrate that Trump will do everything possible, including using the full powers of the federal government, to block discovery from going forward in my case before the upcoming election to try to prevent a jury from ever deciding which one of us is lying,” Carroll said in a statement Tuesday.


It’s not clear why the Justice Department is only now seeking to take over Trump’s defense of the suit, which was filed in November 2019. Trump, who has denied he raped Carroll, has been represented in the case by his longtime outside lawyer Marc Kasowitz. The lawyer didn’t immediately return phone and email messages seeking comment. The Justice Department also didn’t immediately return an email.
Campaign Spending

The move comes as the Trump campaign has reportedly been facing a cash crunch due in part to its spending on legal fees defending suits against the president. According to the New York Times, Kasowitz has been paid more than $820,000 from campaign funds, though it’s not clear if that money was related to his work on Carroll’s suit.


Carroll’s lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, said in a statement that she would fight the Justice Department filing. The government’s claim that Trump was acting in his official capacity as president “when he lied about sexually assaulting our client, explaining that she ‘wasn’t his type,’” is “shocking,” Kaplan said.


Kaplan said the Justice Department move came on the deadline for Trump to appeal the state-court judge’s ruling requiring him to provide evidence. 


“Trump’s effort to wield the power of the U.S. government to evade responsibility for his private misconduct is without precedent, and shows even more starkly how far he is willing to go to prevent the truth from coming out,” Kaplan said.

Because Trump was acting officially when he called Carroll a liar, the U.S. should be substituted for the president as the defendant in the case, a Justice Department team led by Acting Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Bossert Clark said in the Tuesday filing, which argued the suit fell under the Federal Tort Claims Act. If approved by a judge, the responsibility for defending the case and paying any judgment would fall on the U.S. government.


The case is Carroll v. United States, 20-cv-07311, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Now Trump claims can use our tax money for his own legal defense over his denial of the sexual assault.


Of course he could just provide his DNA me prove his innocence too.


But at least he doesn't accept his paycheck. 

[*bfine32*]

(09-08-2020, 07:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Weird. Makes sense, though. Glad my initial reaction was the right one.

Is it wrong that I don't even know WTF is Padma Lakshmi?

[BmorePat87]

(09-08-2020, 07:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Weird. Makes sense, though. Glad my initial reaction was the right one.

whatever you say, racist.