2020 Election

[GMDino]

(09-21-2020, 01:54 PM)PhilHos Wrote: From YOUR article (emphasis mine):

(09-21-2020, 02:00 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, "feeling intimidated" wasn't accepted for the McCluskey's, it's a much harder sell here.


Did you not even read your own source?

Election officials said that the group stayed about 100 feet from the entrance to the building and, contrary to posts on social media, were not directly blocking access to the building. But they acknowledged that some voters and polling staff members felt intimidated by what some saw as protesters.


Why, were the Trump supporters hurling molotov cocktails or blinding people trying to vote with lasers?

Did y'all jump in on that before my second story or did you just figure you had a "gotcha" and ignored it? 

But I do feel honored I guess.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 02:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: Did y'all jump in on that before my second story or did you just figure you had a "gotcha" and ignored it? 

But I do feel honored I guess.

Can't see the video from the SOCIAL MEDIA POST you posted, but from the picture representing the video, it sure looks like your original article from the NYTIMES was correct that they weren't blocking the entrance.

[Belsnickel]

(09-21-2020, 02:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: Did y'all jump in on that before my second story or did you just figure you had a "gotcha" and ignored it? 

But I do feel honored I guess.

The election officials contradicted the statements by the filmmaker, though. They said contrary to the posts on social media (likely referring to the guy Fox 5 interviewed as well since he kicked off the social media maelstrom) the protesters stayed about 100 ft away.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 02:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The election officials contradicted the statements by the filmmaker, though. They said contrary to the posts on social media (likely referring to the guy Fox 5 interviewed as well since he kicked off the social media maelstrom) the protesters stayed about 100 ft away.

Hey, let's say what actually happened was this group came and stood too close to the building. They were asked to move farther away. They did without complaint. What's the issue?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-21-2020, 02:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: Did y'all jump in on that before my second story or did you just figure you had a "gotcha" and ignored it? 

But I do feel honored I guess.

Sigh, your first source directly contradicts your second and comes directly from the election officials, not someone partisan social media hack.  I'll ask again, do you even read your sources?

(09-21-2020, 02:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The election officials contradicted the statements by the filmmaker, though. They said contrary to the posts on social media (likely referring to the guy Fox 5 interviewed as well since he kicked off the social media maelstrom) the protesters stayed about 100 ft away.

Now that you've said it he'll actually listen.  

[GMDino]

(09-21-2020, 02:22 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The election officials contradicted the statements by the filmmaker, though. They said contrary to the posts on social media (likely referring to the guy Fox 5 interviewed as well since he kicked off the social media maelstrom) the protesters stayed about 100 ft away.

Video shows them in front of the building.  Scott said they had to bring the voters inside.  

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3az949/trump-supporters-are-already-intimidating-voters-at-the-polls

Quote:One county official said the group intimidated voters who were waiting to vote, and another part of the government building had to be opened up to voters who were moved inside.

“Citizens coming into and leaving the building did have to go by them,” Fairfax County general registrar Gary Scott said in a statement to the New York Times. “Those voters who were in line outside the building were moved inside and we continued operations. Some voters, and elections staff, did feel intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group. One of the escorts was the county executive.”

If they were 100 feet away (over twice the required amount) they were moved there.

Trump Supporters came over to the early voting site to protest while people are in line to Vote in FairFax Virginia. #EarlyVoting pic.twitter.com/Lkkl4o2aAc

— Anthony Tilghman (@AnthonyTilghman) September 19, 2020

[GMDino]

(09-21-2020, 02:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Hey, let's say what actually happened was this group came and stood too close to the building. They were asked to move farther away. They did without complaint. What's the issue?

Well the "issue" would be the protesters being there and having to be moved "without complaint" looks bad for the elections.

But I fully understand that since they were supporting Trump most of you will find absolutely nothing wrong with it.

[Belsnickel]

(09-21-2020, 02:25 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Hey, let's say what actually happened was this group came and stood too close to the building. They were asked to move farther away. They did without complaint. What's the issue?

Well, in the black and white world some people like to think we live in, they could still be cited for the action even if they moved back. In the real world, discretion from law enforcement/prosecutors would be to not cite them if they did move back when asked which is completely acceptable and normal.

[GMDino]

(09-21-2020, 02:29 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, in the black and white world some people like to think we live in, they could still be cited for the action even if they moved back. In the real world, discretion from law enforcement/prosecutors would be to not cite them if they did move back when asked which is completely acceptable and normal.

Which is great.  But it is still newsworthy that it has started already.

[Belsnickel]

(09-21-2020, 02:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: Video shows them in front of the building.  Scott said they had to bring the voters inside.  

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3az949/trump-supporters-are-already-intimidating-voters-at-the-polls



If they were 100 feet away (over twice the required amount) they were moved there.

Trump Supporters came over to the early voting site to protest while people are in line to Vote in FairFax Virginia. #EarlyVoting pic.twitter.com/Lkkl4o2aAc

— Anthony Tilghman (@AnthonyTilghman) September 19, 2020

That's all at least 40 ft from the door. Believe me when I say that I know these laws because I have worked the polls in Virginia. The 40 feet starts at the door and they are outside of that.

Don't get me wrong, this was a shitty thing for them to do, but they were within their rights.

[GMDino]

(09-21-2020, 02:32 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That's all at least 40 ft from the door. Believe me when I say that I know these laws because I have worked the polls in Virginia. The 40 feet starts at the door and they are outside of that.

Don't get me wrong, this was a shitty thing for them to do, but they were within their rights.

All I'm saying is it was shitty.  I didn't say they should be arrested or charged.  If it was 50 feet then whatever.  Voters needed escorted past them.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 02:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Well the "issue" would be the protesters being there and having to be moved "without complaint" looks bad for the elections.

Says you because you disagree with the protesters.

(09-21-2020, 02:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: But I fully understand that since they were supporting Trump most of you will find absolutely nothing wrong with it.

No, I may disagree with the reasons why a group may be protesting but I don't find the act itself wrong (depending on how they're protesting, maybe). For example, I disagree with a lot of the rationale for the BLM protests, but I find nothing wrong with them (the protests not the riots) save some for stupid things like blocking traffic.

But, it's good to see that you only think protests you agree with are acceptable.

[GMDino]

(09-21-2020, 02:34 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Says you because you disagree with the protesters.


No, I may disagree with the reasons why a group may be protesting but I don't find the act itself wrong (depending on how they're protesting, maybe). For example, I disagree with a lot of the rationale for the BLM protests, but I find nothing wrong with them (the protests not the riots) save some for stupid things like blocking traffic.

But, it's good to see that you only think protests you agree with are acceptable.

Seem no.  *I* would say anyone protesting like that is wrong and being shitty.  Just like I say all violence is wrong in the protests whether it was from one side or the other.

So I'm saying the issue is these people intimidating voters.  You can take it or leave and agree or not.  Ain't a free country great?!?!

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-21-2020, 02:45 PM)GMDino Wrote: Seem no.  *I* would say anyone protesting like that is wrong and being shitty.  Just like I say all violence is wrong in the protests whether it was from one side or the other.

So I'm saying the issue is these people intimidating voters.  You can take it or leave and agree or not.  Ain't a free country great?!?!

Protesting outside someone's house is good.  Protesting a legal distance from a polling place is bad.  Got it.


I think Phil actually touched on the real issue, you don't support these protestors issue so they are bad.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 02:49 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Protesting outside someone's house is good.  Protesting a legal distance from a polling place is bad.  Got it.


I think Phil actually touched on the real issue, you don't support these protestors issue so they are bad.

Waving American flags and chanting "four more years" is a "shitty" thing to do apparently. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-21-2020, 02:53 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Waving American flags and chanting "four more years" is a "shitty" thing to do apparently. 

Here's the thing.  I agree that protesting outside a polling station isn't cool.  It's not something I would do.  I also think protesting outside someone's private residence is far more intimidating and out of line than protesting a legal distance away from a polling location.  So it's the naked hypocrisy of lambasting the former while being absolutely fine with the latter that bothers me.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 02:56 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Here's the thing.  I agree that protesting outside a polling station isn't cool.  It's not something I would do.  I also think protesting outside someone's private residence is far more intimidating and out of line than protesting a legal distance away from a polling location.  So it's the naked hypocrisy of lambasting the former while being absolutely fine with the latter that bothers me.

Personally, I don't really see the point of protesting. I mean, maybe MAYBE you can convince 1 or 2 people to change their minds on a subject, but honestly, what purpose does protesting REALLY accomplish? So I'm generally 'meh' on pretty much any protest as long as they're not breaking the law or blocking traffic.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-21-2020, 03:01 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Personally, I don't really see the point of protesting. I mean, maybe MAYBE you can convince 1 or 2 people to change their minds on a subject, but honestly, what purpose does protesting REALLY accomplish? So I'm generally 'meh' on pretty much any protest as long as they're not breaking the law or blocking traffic.

They don't bother me either as long as they don't obstruct traffic.  I have a real issue with protesting outside someone's private residence and Bel and I have gone back and forth on that issue quite a lot.  I realize it's legal but it's completely effed up to do.  Same with harassing people in public.  I think Ted Cruz is an awful person, but what happened to him at that restaurant was not cool at all.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 03:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: They don't bother me either as long as they don't obstruct traffic.  I have a real issue with protesting outside someone's private residence and Bel and I have gone back and forth on that issue quite a lot.  I realize it's legal but it's completely effed up to do.  Same with harassing people in public.  I think Ted Cruz is an awful person, but what happened to him at that restaurant was not cool at all.

I don't know, harassing someone in public is borderline illegal, isn't it? I mean, maybe not enough to be arrested or fined, but I'm sure enough the police could force them to move along.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-21-2020, 03:06 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I don't know, harassing someone in public is borderline illegal, isn't it? I mean, maybe not enough to be arrested or fined, but I'm sure enough the police could force them to move along.

It's really a grey area.  If you aren't being threatened then more likely than not what is happening would be legal.