2020 Election

[*Nately120*]

(11-04-2020, 11:48 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The Senate was by far my biggest concern as well.  Putting the breaks on the most excessive far left agenda items will be of paramount importance.  I think the biggest lesson coming out of this election is that Hispanics are far from a guaranteed Dem vote.  This will be of extreme importance going forward.

I think the real lesson is Hispanics differ in the sense that Cubans and Mexican are um...different?  That's my main takeaway.  

[Au165]

(11-04-2020, 11:50 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I think the real lesson is Hispanics differ in the sense that Cubans and Mexican are um...different?  That's my main takeaway.  

The talk was that those from South America in Florida were swayed by the "Socialist" narrative because of where they fled from. In comparison, they talk about the PA exit polling with Hispanics who are more Dominican and Puerto Rican being like a 75-25 split for Biden.

[BmorePat87]

(11-04-2020, 11:35 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Well, considering they ignored a court order to sweep their facilities for ballots over the weekend...

roughly 300k ballots

[Goalpost]

Hispanic vote was interesting. Dems failed in their message in Florida but it seemed to work in Arizona.

[*bfine32*]

(11-04-2020, 11:48 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The Senate was by far my biggest concern as well.  Putting the breaks on the most excessive far left agenda items will be of paramount importance.  I think the biggest lesson coming out of this election is that Hispanics are far from a guaranteed Dem vote.  This will be of extreme importance going forward.

I think we can stop talking about court packing, DC/PR statehood, and the Green New Deal.....

[*Nately120*]

(11-04-2020, 11:55 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Hispanic vote was interesting.  Dems failed in their message in Florida but it seemed to work in Arizona.

Yeah, as mentioned a few posts above Cubans and Mexicans respond to different political triggers.  I can see why Cubans would see Trump as a beacon of capitalism compared to Biden, though Trump is mostly proof that if you are born in America and born rich you can be rich.  Still, Biden being less of a socialist than Bernie didn't win them over, I guess.

[*bfine32*]

(11-04-2020, 11:55 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Hispanic vote was interesting.  Dems failed in their message in Florida but it seemed to work in Arizona.

I think the Dems can thank Cindy McCain for Arizona. 

[BmorePat87]

(11-04-2020, 11:55 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Hispanic vote was interesting.  Dems failed in their message in Florida but it seemed to work in Arizona.

FiveThirtyEight was big on stressing that Latinos cannot be viewed as a monolith. Florida Cuban Americans and Arizona Mexican Americans have very different  demographics, voting patterns, values, etc. 

[*Nately120*]

(11-04-2020, 11:58 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: FiveThirtyEight was big on stressing that Latinos cannot be viewed as a monolith. Florida Cuban Americans and Arizona Mexican Americans have very different  demographics, voting patterns, values, etc. 

FL seemed close and then it hit me that Trump pulled his money out of ads there 2 weeks early because he knew he had it sewn up.  Well, maybe...who the hell knows.

[KillerGoose]

(11-04-2020, 11:40 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I know if I were a citizen of PA I'd have another reason to be embarrassed today. I just read where they might not have an answer until next week.

What's so special about them?

So, PA doesn’t start counting any ballots until Election Day. They had around 2.5 million mail-in ballots already sent in that they weren’t able to start counting until yesterday, plus voter turnout. They are also going to accept mail-in ballots until Friday, but those ballots have to have a postmark of Tuesday, at the latest.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-04-2020, 11:55 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Hispanic vote was interesting.  Dems failed in their message in Florida but it seemed to work in Arizona.

AZ going blue is all about idiots who fled CA and then voted for the policies that caused them to flee CA.

[*Nately120*]

(11-04-2020, 12:08 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: AZ going blue is all about idiots who fled CA and then voted for the policies that caused them to flee CA.

Look out, the pacific rim is moving inland!

[KillerGoose]

(11-04-2020, 11:48 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The Senate was by far my biggest concern as well.  Putting the breaks on the most excessive far left agenda items will be of paramount importance.  I think the biggest lesson coming out of this election is that Hispanics are far from a guaranteed Dem vote.  This will be of extreme importance going forward.

I agree. I wonder if we are going to see future pollsters try to break the data down even further from Hispanic to “Mexican/Colombian/Cuban etc.” depending on the trends that we see in this election. For instance, there was talk of Texas being in play for Biden and the “inevitability” of Texas going blue in the near future. While that is still possible, it may not be as likely as many people thought, depending on how the Hispanic vote turns out there.

[*bfine32*]

Nevada won't report until tomorrow.

[Au165]

(11-04-2020, 12:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Nevada won't report until tomorrow.

Nevada like....

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-04-2020, 12:11 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I agree. I wonder if we are going to see future pollsters try to break the data down even further from Hispanic to “Mexican/Colombian/Cuban etc.” depending on the trends that we see in this election. For instance, there was talk of Texas being in play for Biden and the “inevitability” of Texas going blue in the near future. While that is still possible, it may not be as likely as many people thought, depending on how the Hispanic vote turns out there.

I've said this several times in the past.  The idea that demographics mean the inevitable demise of the GOP is as wrong as it gets.  I'm fully aware that this is anecdotal and limited in scope, but I work in an office that is ~95% Hispanic and they overwhelmingly support Trump.  Imagine the GOP putting forth a more mainstream candidate and that spells trouble for the Dems going forward.  Hispanics are, speaking generally, much more culturally conservative than many people think.

[BmorePat87]

(11-04-2020, 12:07 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: So, PA doesn’t start counting any ballots until Election Day. They had around 2.5 million mail-in ballots already sent in that they weren’t able to start counting until yesterday, plus voter turnout. They are also going to accept mail-in ballots until Friday, but those ballots have to have a postmark of Tuesday, at the latest.

Wisconsin has the same state law preventing counting mail ballots early. 

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(11-04-2020, 12:08 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: AZ going blue is all about idiots who fled CA and then voted for the policies that caused them to flee CA.

That's what CNN was harping on the whole night lol, "AZ. The Phoenix-area specifically. Largest-growing city in America. Lot's of African-Americans. Change."

King must've said that (in that order too), like 5 times in an hour

(11-04-2020, 12:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Hispanics are, speaking generally, much more culturally conservative than many people think.

Any ethnicity/background that's Latin-based, is like that (Italians are beyond-conservative, making my family an outlier and a half).

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-04-2020, 12:16 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: That's what CNN was harping on the whole night lol, "AZ. The Phoenix-area specifically. Largest-growing city in America. Lot's of African-Americans. Change."

King must've said that (in that order too), like 5 times in an hour

I bought a home in Orange County for ~500K.  It's a nice house, but that money would get me an enormous place in AZ.  The home/rent costs in CA coupled with being taxed up the ass is resulting in a mass exodus from the state, often times by necessity.  The head scratcher, for me, is voting the same way that caused you to flee CA in the first place.  I can totally understand not voting for Trump, bot voting straight Dem when the Dems caused you to flee your home state is baffling.

[*Nately120*]

(11-04-2020, 12:19 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I bought a home in Orange County for ~500K.  It's a nice house, but that money would get me an enormous place in AZ.  The home/rent costs in CA coupled with being taxed up the ass is resulting in a mass exodus from the state, often times by necessity.  The head scratcher, for me, is voting the same way that caused you to flee CA in the first place.  I can totally understand not voting for Trump, bot voting straight Dem when the Dems caused you to flee your home state is baffling.

Hell if I know...if the American political system didn't have people stupidly voting against their best interests what would it have?


HOT TAKE - CA folks have noticed how many millions of extra votes they waste in a winner take all state and are trying to stretch out in order to turn multiple states blue.